This is for the sd market only.

Note that the average for 10 was 4.4 on basic cable and yes fssd would pay millions for State's 3rd tier rights.

(08-14-2012 09:57 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 09:34 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 09:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I can't begin to find San Diego State ratings numbers. Whatever they are should actually be adjusted upwards a bit, since they've been on the Mountain West network which half of San Diego doesn't have, er, didn't have, and on CBS SportsNet, which half of America doesn't have on basic cable.
So do you have some numbers where SDSU is getting a bigger audience than Arizona?

Sure, here are two games from 2010.

11-13-10
Rk. Show Channel Rating HH (K)
1. SDSU-TCU VERSUS 3.9 35
2. Georgia-Auburn CBS 3.5 31
3. USC-Arizona ABC 3.4 30
4. Penn State-Ohio State ABC 2.9 26
5. Oregon-California VERSUS 2.6 23
6. Iowa-Northwestern ESPN 2.0 17
7. Mississippi-Tennessee CBS 1.7 15
8. South Carolina-Florida ESPN 1.6 14
9. Nevada-Fresno State ESPN 1.6 14
10. Utah-Notre Dame NBC 1.5 13
11. Indiana-Wisconsin ESPN2 0.9 8
12. ESPN Mirror Game ESPN 0.6 5
13. Mississippi State-Alabama ESPN2 0.4 4
14. Kansas State-Missouri FS West 0.3 2
15. Brown-Dartmouth VERSUS 0.1 1
16. Texas A&M-Baylor FS West 0.0 0

San Diego Highest-Rated FB Games, 10-30-10
Rk. Show Channel Rating HH (K)
1. Oregon-USC ABC 7.1 77
2. SDSU-Wyoming The Mtn. 2.9 31
Miami-Virginia ESPN 2.9 31
4. Missouri-Nebraska ESPN 2.6 28
5. Michigan State-Iowa ABC 2.2 23
6. Auburn-Mississippi ESPN2 1.9 21
7. Tulsa-Notre Dame NBC 1.5 16
8. Michigan-Penn State ESPN 1.4 14
9. Georgia-Florida CBS 1.2 13
10. Baylor-Texas FS West 0.3 3
Purdue-Illinois ESPN2 0.3 3
Colorado-Oklahoma ESPN2 0.3 2
13. Stanford-Washington VERSUS 0.1 0.9
Oklahoma St.-Kansas St. FS West 0.1 0.9
15. Arizona-UCLA FS West 0.0 0.0

Finishing second when you are on the mountain on channel 300's and need to have digital cable and the sports and info pack and still finish second is amazing.

I definitely agree. I am starting to believe that the Aztecs could be the no. 1 CFB team in San Diego.

Quote:The replay, which was shown at 9 p.m. PT, produced better numbers than ESPN2’s live broadcasts of Purdue-Illinois and Stanford-Washington. In all, the Aztec replay did better than six games that were shown live on Saturday.

Having the replay beat live? Come on now.

Note, AZ is nowhere to be found. I like how AZ and UCLA generated a 0.

Of note, San Diego State Football averaged a 4.4 rating in the market for six games on basic cable in 2010 and San Diego State Men’s Basketball averaged a 7.5 rating in the market for 17 games on basic cable
during the 2010-11 campaign. By comparison, San Diego Padres Baseball as of mid-August was averaging a 3.4 rating in the market.

This is all from the prospectus that State gave to the B12. The numbers were better for the 11 season. But I digress.

Wait, are these numbers national, or just for the San Diego market?

Because these numbers, unless they're cherry-picked bull**** (standard disclaimer after many conversations with ECU fans), make the case that San Diego State football would be worth a couple million to FS San Diego or another RSN or a TV channel. Don't scoff at that--a couple of Big East football schools don't generate enough local interest to get their games televised (Temple) or get televised on a channel one step above public access (SMU).

But national channels are going to care about national audience. Nationally, if PAC games were getting 500,000-700,000 on VERSUS, I don't see San Diego State games getting more than that on NBC Sports, no matter how much better the production is.

Well, the only national tv numbers I have are the 11 bowl numbers.

NO Bowl up 23% with State
Point down 7% without State

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/..._bowl.html

More importantly, look at who the networks selected to broadcast for football in 12 for the MW.

Steady diet of Boise and State.

(08-14-2012 10:04 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  This is for the sd market only.

Note that the average for 10 was 4.4 on basic cable and yes fssd would pay millions for State's 3rd tier rights.

Oh, I'm not talking 3rd tier rights. I'm been thinking for a while that the move to make, for the long term growth of Big East football, is to go local. I'd sell one game a week nationally, and bid the rest out for local packages--bundle 9-10 SDSU games and sell that block to FS-SD or a competitor. The strategy would be to use that local partner to help advertise and build SDSU football, trying to grow the TV fanbase and growing attendance to BCS-conference levels. (A second Big East game would be available as part of the bundle to make a double-header). This also means that Big East football on Saturday becomes part of the local sports landscape.

Do the same thing in Connecticut, Tampa, Orlando, Cincinatti, Houston, New Jersey. (Sell the package in Louisville, but there isn't the same untapped potential--the idea is for Rutgers and UConn and SDSU to become like Louisville.) Try it in Memphis and Dallas. A lot of Boise State games will be in the national Game of the Week package, but I'd think someone would want to be "the Home of the Broncos"

It looks like NBC Sportsnet will probably put enough money on the table to run Big East football as a 12-hour block, so this wouldn't be feasible. But if NBC Sportsnet only wants say 7 games on NBC and two games a week on NBC Sportsnet, this might be a better option.

(08-14-2012 10:20 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:04 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  This is for the sd market only.

Note that the average for 10 was 4.4 on basic cable and yes fssd would pay millions for State's 3rd tier rights.

Oh, I'm not talking 3rd tier rights. I'm been thinking for a while that the move to make, for the long term growth of Big East football, is to go local. I'd sell one game a week nationally, and bid the rest out for local packages--bundle 9-10 SDSU games and sell that block to FS-SD or a competitor. The strategy would be to use that local partner to help advertise and build SDSU football, trying to grow the TV fanbase and growing attendance to BCS-conference levels. (A second Big East game would be available as part of the bundle to make a double-header). This also means that Big East football on Saturday becomes part of the local sports landscape.

Do the same thing in Connecticut, Tampa, Orlando, Cincinatti, Houston, New Jersey. (Sell the package in Louisville, but there isn't the same untapped potential--the idea is for Rutgers and UConn and SDSU to become like Louisville.) Try it in Memphis and Dallas. A lot of Boise State games will be in the national Game of the Week package, but I'd think someone would want to be "the Home of the Broncos"

It looks like NBC Sportsnet will probably put enough money on the table to run Big East football as a 12-hour block, so this wouldn't be feasible. But if NBC Sportsnet only wants say 7 games on NBC and two games a week on NBC Sportsnet, this might be a better option.

That is basically the fox sports model and I expect them to bid on the tier 2 rights just to broadcast locally.

I think the magic number is in the $18-$19 million per all sport teams. They will pass the ACC.

(08-14-2012 10:31 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:20 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:04 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  This is for the sd market only.

Note that the average for 10 was 4.4 on basic cable and yes fssd would pay millions for State's 3rd tier rights.

Oh, I'm not talking 3rd tier rights. I'm been thinking for a while that the move to make, for the long term growth of Big East football, is to go local. I'd sell one game a week nationally, and bid the rest out for local packages--bundle 9-10 SDSU games and sell that block to FS-SD or a competitor. The strategy would be to use that local partner to help advertise and build SDSU football, trying to grow the TV fanbase and growing attendance to BCS-conference levels. (A second Big East game would be available as part of the bundle to make a double-header). This also means that Big East football on Saturday becomes part of the local sports landscape.

Do the same thing in Connecticut, Tampa, Orlando, Cincinatti, Houston, New Jersey. (Sell the package in Louisville, but there isn't the same untapped potential--the idea is for Rutgers and UConn and SDSU to become like Louisville.) Try it in Memphis and Dallas. A lot of Boise State games will be in the national Game of the Week package, but I'd think someone would want to be "the Home of the Broncos"

It looks like NBC Sportsnet will probably put enough money on the table to run Big East football as a 12-hour block, so this wouldn't be feasible. But if NBC Sportsnet only wants say 7 games on NBC and two games a week on NBC Sportsnet, this might be a better option.

That is basically the fox sports model and I expect them to bid on the tier 2 rights just to broadcast locally.

Especially with Rutgers' 9M-strong New Jersey market with three RSNs (SNY, YES, MSG) plus a half-dozen TV channels, I'd explore selling each school's games separately. There is value in having the game on the same channel on the same day every week, and value in having a local partner who already focuses on your potential audience. I'd be concerned that Fox Sports would see Big East football more or less as filler--did FS-West really expect those Big 12 games to make a ratings impact in California?

(08-14-2012 10:44 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  I think the magic number is in the $18-$19 million per all sport teams. They will pass the ACC.

That would be unreal, considering we are talking 12 teams, and later 14, not nine, as we had with the old ESPN offer of $11-13.8M. Of course, we can go to open bidding this time around.

My ultimate fantasy is that we get enough to make 'Cuse and Pitt fans wonder why they left.

The only thing that could cause problems is if ESPiN going into full panic mode and plotted with B12/ACC to steal more teams. I predicted ESPiN would try to destroy the BE last time right after we turned them down and I was right. Let's hope they don't try the same thing this time around. They might be so desperate they will try anything to keep NBC off college football.

(08-14-2012 10:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:44 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  I think the magic number is in the $18-$19 million per all sport teams. They will pass the ACC.

That would be unreal, considering we are talking 12 teams, and later 14, not nine, as we had with the old ESPN offer of $11-13.8M. OF course, we can go to open bidding this time around.

A bidding war between NBC, ESPN, and Fox could generate those kinds of numbers. After this, the top 6 conferences will be locked up for a while and none of the networks want to be left out.

(08-14-2012 10:51 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The only thing that could cause problems is if ESPiN going into full panic mode and plotted with B12/ACC to steal more teams. I predicted ESPiN would try to destroy the BE last time right after we turned them down and I was right. Let's hope they don't try the same thing this time around. They might be so desperate they will try anything to keep NBC off college football.

I agree, but we're getting so close to negotiations now, that I doubt they could pull anybody else away on short notice, without the schools first finding out how much we get paid.

$12 million football
$ 5 Million basketball
$17 million total.

(08-14-2012 11:23 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  $12 million football
$ 5 Million basketball
$17 million total.

$14 million football
$ 6 Million basketball
$20 million total.

I've been on $14M for months. Recently, I started creeping toward $16M. After this week's events, I think I'll guess $17M now, and hope Bevilacqua, Gold and Aresco hit the jackpot for us.

(08-14-2012 10:51 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:44 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  I think the magic number is in the $18-$19 million per all sport teams. They will pass the ACC.

That would be unreal, considering we are talking 12 teams, and later 14, not nine, as we had with the old ESPN offer of $11-13.8M. OF course, we can go to open bidding this time around.

A bidding war between NBC, ESPN, and Fox could generate those kinds of numbers. After this, the top 6 conferences will be locked up for a while and none of the networks want to be left out.

Hell, even 7/8 mwc/cusa are locked up, mwc has 4 more years (and a possible 4 year rollover) and cusa just signed, i think to similar time frame as the mwc.

There is literally nothing, notta coming up even below us

(08-15-2012 12:44 AM)monty Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:51 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:44 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  I think the magic number is in the $18-$19 million per all sport teams. They will pass the ACC.

That would be unreal, considering we are talking 12 teams, and later 14, not nine, as we had with the old ESPN offer of $11-13.8M. OF course, we can go to open bidding this time around.

A bidding war between NBC, ESPN, and Fox could generate those kinds of numbers. After this, the top 6 conferences will be locked up for a while and none of the networks want to be left out.

Hell, even 7/8 mwc/cusa are locked up, mwc has 4 more years (and a possible 4 year rollover) and cusa just signed, i think to similar time frame as the mwc.

There is literally nothing, notta coming up even below us

Maybe the WAC?

On a broad range I think it'll be between $9 million on the absolute 'glass half empty'-end and $17-$18 million on the absolute 'glass half full'-end.

Ultimately I think it will be between $12 and $14/15 million per year per all-sports school.

(08-14-2012 10:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:44 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  I think the magic number is in the $18-$19 million per all sport teams. They will pass the ACC.

That would be unreal, considering we are talking 12 teams, and later 14, not nine, as we had with the old ESPN offer of $11-13.8M. Of course, we can go to open bidding this time around.

My ultimate fantasy is that we get enough to make 'Cuse and Pitt fans wonder why they left.

Good point, and that is mine as well.

(08-14-2012 11:36 PM)dantes69 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:23 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  $12 million football
$ 5 Million basketball
$17 million total.

$14 million football
$ 6 Million basketball
$20 million total.

If it's between 17M and 20M, FSU and Clemson will have a meltdown. I can see several ACC teams on the phone w/in the hour begging to get in the Big 12 - Clemson, FSU, VT and Miami. And if this happens, look for BE to go after team or 2 in the ACC.

I expect to get 20m+