Lance is the best sports talk host in town, hands down. He brings the most insite as well as the most evidence to his opinions. He genuinely cares about the teams in town. Cut him some slack Catmandu, you might not see eye to eye with you but he doesn't just take cheap shots like other hosts in town do (Two Angry A-holes and Furman come to mind). He has to keep his pulse on what is hot in town at the time, therefore talking about XU should be expected. What else is he going to do? Talk about UC getting embarrassed all day? Personally I am glad that XU has gotten as far as they have because it takes some of the emphasis on UC's embarrassment on Sunday.

Like I said...Lance uses stats to his advantage...he goes back 10 years and says that 21 schools have been to more sweet 16's than UC...yet when we want to use that 10 year period when comparing UC and X, Lance says whoa...we can only use the last 3 years.
Lance specifically indicated on his show a few days ago that since 97 X and UC have each been to 1 sweet 16..so in that case Lance goes back 7 years..
What is it Lance...3 years, 7 years, 10 years??? Lance wants to stir the pot...X goes to the sweet 16 for the first time in 14 years...yet 90% of his calls this week deal with UC and UK...if UC and UK fans don't call his show...he would'nt have any calls...or very few....trying to reason with lance is like beating your head against a wall...you're never right and he's never wrong... :bang:

I've had plenty of good conversations with Lance on the air and over email. I have never gotten the impression that he can't admit when he is wrong. It sounds like you just have some envy of the Musky's making the Sweet 16 and UC not making it. I'm glad they did it, they have a good team and I don't have a problem rooting for them when they aren't playing UC. Like I said before, if you want to really deal with people who can't be wrong, listen to Skinner in the morning or Furman at night. They are the two most clueless radio personalities in the Tri-State.

I'm glad the x made the sweet 16...it's good for the city...good for college basketball in the area...I think Thad is a heck of a good coach...I'm just saying Lance twist the stats to make his points..heck..Lance could use Kent State to twist the facts..the point that he is using X is irrevelant...he is using the data he wants to use to use in comparing UC to whoever to prove they are "One Leg Down"..

Am I supposed to take a guy named CATMANDU seriously?

Hey CATMANDU.....maybe I should just make up a cool name and use it on this board and you would never know a radio guy has come aboard. From now on........I want to be referred to as CATMANDOO-DOO:)

Being a little thin skinned aren't you?

See, Right on cue...

I think it's funny, next thing he's going to tell us what a man he is because he uses his own name and we use screen names....

Typical.

Too bad he can't come up with anything original.

Here you have one of the reasons I can't stand him, he basically got ridculed off the CUSA board for similar stuff. He stirs the pot, tries to get a reaction, just generating news. Like I said, I know it's his job. I think it's funny that he loses his cool so much on message boards too. not very professional, heck, he called me Catmandoo-doo.... nice Did Casey give you that one? (OT: I'm glad Casey is doing well)

Guess your not a Bob Segar fan, nor do you know anything about hightech computer modeling of disasters such as earthquakes, I think that's pretty serious....
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Some day when you graduate to Computers102 I'll teach you more.

Until then why don't you go waste another hour on the Hiccups. That's original.

As far as him bringing stuff to the board... He brought articles I've already read, facts that are published elsewhere, then takes claim for it all.

if you all want to be lance flunkies that's fine

Quote:See, Right on cue...

I think it's funny, next thing he's going to tell us what a man he is because he uses his own name and we use screen names....

I hope he's not that hypocritical.

Exactly... now he'll try to tell us that that's his real name... NOT.

I bet he'll go and tell us how ClearChannel is going to sue us again....

Why can't we all just get along? :D

Seriously, what is the big deal?

Lance brings an opinion, we can disagree and debate on the board, and end it at that. Everyone takes this so damn seriously sometimes...everything that Lance posted is statistics-based and then he forms an opinion from those statistics. The flaw that makes it debatable is that there are assumptions made regarding those statistics. Like: Overall record over 3 years against completely different competition, inheritied player of the year and all-conference players from previous coaching staff, completely different conferences from which they gained NCAA tournament bids, faced different competition in NCAA tourny, etc, etc.

Debate his opinion...because there are always assumptions made when you try to use terms like "better" or "leg-up" based on an imperfect/non-comparable data set, so it is fairly easy to form a different opinion. But it is just a message board...

Lance McAlister Wrote:why is it so hard to understand the comparison should be the last 3 years????? That is when Thad took over. Why would the other 7 matter? It's a different system and way of doing things. The only equal comparison is the last 3 years.

I think we will have a better idea about Thad once all of Skips recruits are gone provided he stays that long. I think Thad has done a good job but his best players the last 3 years have been Skip Prosser recruits.

Lance McAlister Wrote:why is it so hard to understand the comparison should be the last 3 years????? That is when Thad took over. Why would the other 7 matter? It's a different system and way of doing things. The only equal comparison is the last 3 years.

What are you comparing?

Lance it's time to be honest.

You are either trying to compare Matta to Huggs or just trying to stir the pot.

By indicating the 3 year time period ( the arrival of Matta) you are saying it is not about the program per se but the program with Thad Matta at the helm. Agreed! What else can it be.

It is about the Thad Matta coached Musketeers compared to the Bob Huggins coached Bearcats.

It is NOT an EQUAL comparison then. Bob Huggins is coaching a team comprised of players he recruited. Thad Matta's success can be directly linked to the talents of players he did not recruit. You need to wait until all of Skip's recruits have worked through the system.

Different system and way of doing things? It's still the same school, the same basketball program and the same conf.

We know you love Thad and that's okay. He's doing a great job and isn't afraid to shake Bob hand like Chuckie was.

Now if it's truly about comparing the programs, it shouldn't matter who is coaching.

Geez, folks, give it a break. I know there's some unpleasant history, but surely anyone can recognize that Lance goes out of his way to make sure he is well-informed and reasonably accurate when he posts. He also has opinions. That's his job. Other than the medium, there's not much differential between a sports talk show and a sports talk discussion board.

You may not like his opinion and you may think he has an agenda. It is then your prerogative to try and convince him -- and all the rest of us -- of the wisdom of some other point of view. But censorship or intimidation isn't an answer for any of us.

It's only sports, okay? (And, for the record, I would take issue with Lance's view on this subject. XU is finally gaining some credibility with their run this year, but if you want to talk about which program "owns" the town, UC's following is still vastly superior to XU. Any three-year cycle isn't going to be enough of itself to change that.)

Socko Wiethe Wrote:Geez, folks, give it a break. I know there's some unpleasant history, but surely anyone can recognize that Lance goes out of his way to make sure he is well-informed and reasonably accurate when he posts. He also has opinions. That's his job. Other than the medium, there's not much differential between a sports talk show and a sports talk discussion board.

You may not like his opinion and you may think he has an agenda. It is then your prerogative to try and convince him -- and all the rest of us -- of the wisdom of some other point of view. But censorship or intimidation isn't an answer for any of us.

It's only sports, okay? (And, for the record, I would take issue with Lance's view on this subject. XU is finally gaining some credibility with their run this year, but if you want to talk about which program "owns" the town, UC's following is still vastly superior to XU. Any three-year cycle isn't going to be enough of itself to change that.)

You Democrats have all the answers don't you. How's Jocko?

Here's what people need to realize, Lance likes to firmly sit on the fence, and is paid to do so. What most people, on this forum and MM, have discovered is that Lance will turn to whatever side of the fence has the greener grass and try to make it look even greener then the other side. Earlier this year people on MM were calling him out for things just like the ones people on here are getting on him about.

What Lance needs to realize is that if he's going to sit on the fence and switch his viewing side when one team is up and the other is down throughout the season, his comments are going to cause some pretty hard feelings from the other side. You can't go from hyping and building UC up all year, then as XU makes a run in the tourney start talking about XU has a leg up on UC without it p!ssing off UC fans. If you come here with the mindset that people aren't going to argue with you or call you out on it, you're sadly mistaken. Lance, what do you think the reaction would be on MM if you went over there talking about how great XU is, then on your show or in a newspaper article stated that UC "had a leg up" on XU? I know you get paid to do this, but it quickly causes a lot of fans from either or both schools to quickly discredit your opinion one way or the other. I would think in a city with 2 good basketball schools it would be a lot more beneficial to paint them both in a positive image without trying to bring one down or paint the other as the superior program. I guess you choose to do it the other way and build up or tear down each program depending on what the other program is doing.

And by resorting to name calling, you're making it look like your a sad, defeated man in this discussion.

Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, but I still don't see the comparison between the two programs. The only one X has a leg up on is head to head battles (which I admit drives me crazy!). Every other comparison (except for last year), UC is better every year (in the polls and making it to the dance). This year, the year before last and the many years prior to that prove that.

My main point with Lance is exactly what Olesk said.

Lance is perfect for a station called "homer" because he goes with whatever the flow is.

That's why it's tough to take what he says seriously. There is a greater issue here. He's a radio show host on a little station in Cincinnati. Big deal.

Today in a clients office they had the radio on his show, he was sucking up to a soccer player. The self professed soccer hater. funny. I had to laugh out loud when I heard him, because it captured everything in one instance, "What's in it for me?" Lance.

in this case it was some hot babe... which I'll at least give him credit for going the right way.

But it's a perfect example of playing to the crowd, and frankly who likes to be played?

He was COMPLETELY off the wagon last year. Back on this year, then off, then on X's wagon (well, i don't know if he ever got off Matta's jock, they have some kind of relationship).

Then he says stuff like lets' compare the last three years... Come on... OK, If X gets to the final four, Which I hope they do, I cheer for X when they dont' play UC, then you can start to think of comparing Huggs and Matta... BUT, you would have to compare Huggs first three years and Matta's first three years. Matta really doesn't even have his own team yet, he inherited that player of the year and everything that came with him. It's silly to compare his record with someone elses players.

(03-25-2004 02:13 PM)Lance McAlister Wrote:  Use my stats?
How can I use them? They are right there in front of us.
If you are going to compare UC to X.......you can't change the past. The only fair comparison is since one team got it's new coach....three years ago....and began changing the dynamics. If you want to go back further, go back eight years and they each have one sweet 16 trips. But I would prefer to gauge what's happened since one team changed coaches.
Since then
X has more wins, a higher winning percentage, more Confernece player of the year awards, the same number of NCAA trips, the same number of NBA draft picks, and twice as many NCAA's wins.

How is that my fault? Please explain, I can't wait

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