(07-13-2012 12:35 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 12:17 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Not going to happen...........but I still think they might look at Missouri again if they ever add another school.

I don't see an SEC school leaving for the Big 10 and vice versa.

Missouri lusts for the Big10 academics.....no doubt in my mind they would go to Big10 anytime if invited.

(07-13-2012 01:44 PM)Ron313 Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 01:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  What if Penn State got the NCAA "death" penalty and could not play football for a few years? Would the Big Ten
(a) drop the championship game?
(b) expand with the knowledge that Penn St will eventually be back?
© expel Penn St since they can't play football, then expand back to 12?

If you assume the death penalty first then I think the OP makes perfect sense.

Maybe if they had to as you suggest. If it was temporary, they may try to grab a school to replace now, then add another when PSU comes back. Pitt would be good to maintain the carriage fees while PSU is out but adds nothing financially on PSU's return. If it was permanent, I would guess Pitt.

They wanted to add RU, but it seems some presidents want it to be a Midwest conference and although RU fits nicely with adding carriage fees for their network, reasonable football now, good academics, AAU and access to NY Market (where they would boom with all the B1G alumni in the area), RU is still short of votes right now.

I have thought about this as well...and I wonder if there could be a "hardship" clause that would allow a conference to maintain a championship game with only 11 eligible teams? They would still have 12 "members". I honestly think the NCAA would provide an exception here.

If Penn State happens to be expelled from the BigTen which if you think about it this cover up basically started from the time they entered the conference. I could see the BigTen going after Mizzu since the SEC has no waiting clause or exit fees to are knowledge, and they are a better fit there who they actually have some familiarity with the conference not to mention that has been their dream destination for some time.

The SEC will more than likely pursue Virginia Tech as their replacement, and if not them then it would be probably be North Carolina State, but one of these schools will be the target school to replace Mizzu if PSU get kicked to the curb by the BigTen conference.

Mizzou, Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland, UVA, UNC, Rutgers, ND, and maybe UConn. Pick one. It's probably in that list.

(07-13-2012 04:42 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  If Penn State happens to be expelled from the BigTen which if you think about it this cover up basically started from the time they entered the conference. I could see the BigTen going after Mizzu since the SEC has no waiting clause or exit fees to are knowledge, and they are a better fit there who they actually have some familiarity with the conference not to mention that has been their dream destination for some time.

The SEC will more than likely pursue Virginia Tech as their replacement, and if not them then it would be probably be North Carolina State, but one of these schools will be the target school to replace Mizzu if PSU get kicked to the curb by the BigTen conference.

Rutgers would be on their list and that would be their dream. Not sure how id feel getting the psu spot after all this. it's like benefitting from the tragedy. Ugh.

I could see Kansas as an attempt to weaken the SEC's influence if the Big Ten can't get Missouri. The Big 12 takes Louisville, and Penn State limps back into FBS five years later in the Big East.

Not that PSU getting the boot would ever happen

Not happening.

The bigger question is if the B10 kicks out Penn St, should the BE take them?

Football isn't the only reason Penn State is all sports in the Big Ten.

In ancient Rome, there were three classes, slaves, plebians and patricians. Slaves were mostly locked into their life. They would forever be bound to working for someone else. The plebians were the lower class. They were peasants. They lived a decent life, but were by no means rich. Through hard work, dedication, and luck, however, a plebe could advance himself to the status of a patrician. It was not easy, but it happened occasionally. Patricians were the highest class in Roman culture. They were the rich, and they looked out for each other. They respected the class so much that they wouldn't let others of the same status fall to plebian status. In essence, it was impossible to fall from patrician status.

/history lesson

(07-12-2012 06:03 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 04:47 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 03:40 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  Not happening...mute point.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot?s=t

Moot (adjective)
1. open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point.

There's no use explaining it, he probably won't get it irregardless of what you do.

While you are disparaging him you might want to look up irregardless in the dictionary. Nothing like criticizing one's grammer with poor grammer of your own.

M I A M I !

(07-12-2012 03:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The B1G isn't going to kick Penn State out. Unfortunately.

If Penn State self imposes a 2-year death penalty and cleans house, then they should be allowed to stay. If not, there has to be repercussions from the league.

In the unlikely event Penn State gets removed, then you'd have to grab Notre Dame if at all possible. If that's a no, get Syracuse or Rutgers. The money dictates you have to replace the loss of population, and Penn State is a huge loss. Get into NY, though, and you've made it mostly good..

Maybe someone should ask the Chicago Maroons if they're still content in D3. I think it would be cool if they came back to the top division.

If this hapens, and I still think it's a big IF - Pittsburgh pretty much has to be it. BTN would get dropped in large parts of Pennsylvania without an in-state school, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania would have no trouble buying out PSU's share of the network and essentially giving it to another school in the state. Given the leak about "unprecedented" penalties, I think the chances of this are now above zero.

The Big 10 could work out a deal with the ACC and Big East if necessary for the ACC to invite Temple or UConn to replace Pitt, and UMass to replace Temple or UConn in the Big East. The MAC will gladly get rid of the 13th member for football as long as the check from UMass clears. The Atlantic 10, now down to 13, readmits Penn State with the understading that it will likely only be for five years.

Whether the Big 10 could ply Syrcuase loose from the ACC in time for the 2018 readmission of Penn State, should that be the school of choice, would be a totally different question.

(07-14-2012 11:41 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Nothing like criticizing one's grammer with poor grammer of your own.

My grammer ain't poor, she got a pension.

(07-12-2012 03:40 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  Not happening...mute point.

Moot point?

(07-22-2012 08:21 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If this hapens, and I still think it's a big IF - Pittsburgh pretty much has to be it. BTN would get dropped in large parts of Pennsylvania without an in-state school, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania would have no trouble buying out PSU's share of the network and essentially giving it to another school in the state. Given the leak about "unprecedented" penalties, I think the chances of this are now above zero.

The Big 10 could work out a deal with the ACC and Big East if necessary for the ACC to invite Temple or UConn to replace Pitt, and UMass to replace Temple or UConn in the Big East. The by MAC will gladly get rid of the 13th member for football as long as the check from UMass clears. The Atlantic 10, now down to 13, readmits Penn State with the understading that it will likely only be for five years.

Whether the Big 10 could ply Syrcuase loose from the ACC in time for the 2018 readmission of Penn State, should that be the school of choice, would be a totally different question.

I agree pitt makes sense for carriage fees. Temple is about 40th on accs list. Its ru or uconn. Syracuse is about 20th on bigs list.

If Penn State gets the boot what would stop the B1G from looking at Florida State?

Florida State to the B1G would be the best way to check B12/SEC football power since both conferences lust for that school. Opens huge recruiting grounds for the B1G and they can make sure Florida State and Nebraska play in the same division.

Any move to pick up a second tier BCS football school in the East like Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse or Pitt would fall short of replacing Penn State.

Once booted I think the future of Penn State is major independence status along with Notre Dame and eventually getting their olympic sports in the B12. ND and PSU to the B12 for non-football would make sense from WVU's perspective to have a couple of natural rivals plus ND/PSU would bring a load of fans to any bowl game.

(07-22-2012 08:47 PM)Ron313 Wrote:  

(07-22-2012 08:21 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If this hapens, and I still think it's a big IF - Pittsburgh pretty much has to be it. BTN would get dropped in large parts of Pennsylvania without an in-state school, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania would have no trouble buying out PSU's share of the network and essentially giving it to another school in the state. Given the leak about "unprecedented" penalties, I think the chances of this are now above zero.

The Big 10 could work out a deal with the ACC and Big East if necessary for the ACC to invite Temple or UConn to replace Pitt, and UMass to replace Temple or UConn in the Big East. The by MAC will gladly get rid of the 13th member for football as long as the check from UMass clears. The Atlantic 10, now down to 13, readmits Penn State with the understading that it will likely only be for five years.

Whether the Big 10 could ply Syrcuase loose from the ACC in time for the 2018 readmission of Penn State, should that be the school of choice, would be a totally different question.

I agree pitt makes sense for carriage fees. Temple is about 40th on accs list. Its ru or uconn. Syracuse is about 20th on bigs list.

I honestly do not know, would Pitt leave the ACC for the Big 10 for an additional $20 million exit fee?