One has actually accomplished something other than getting elected.

I'm sick of this "they pander" crap... Well no ****. You don't get elected If you don't. What is the point if you don't get elected?

Is Romney the perfect candidate? No. Is he my perfect representative? No.

As far as I'm concerned, Obama has broken every promise if significance he made and lied his way to hose few he didn't break. He said don't elect McCain because he would be bush 3, and then proceeded to dote best bush impression in history. Virtually everything he said bush did wrong, he has continued...

None of this is fact, it is all opinion. Sorry if I think it's a waste of a thread to ask people o compare and contrast the two candidates. If you haven't already decided, this thread isn't going to convince you.

(07-05-2012 04:18 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 04:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  This.

Both sides pander.

Romney will not be an improvement over Obama. Different stupidity, different failed ideas, different nonsense. But no improvement.

This...+1

(07-05-2012 04:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 03:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I think it's fair to say that no matter who is running for the GOP he'd be to the right of Obama. Romney probably won't bow to foreign leaders and apologize for America. Romney probably won't pander for votes by catering to the unions. Romney won't make promises of getting off foreign oil and then sinking the Keystone pipeline.

Romeny won't run the country like it was Chicago.

Yes. Romney will however pander for votes by catering to the industrial military complex and likely the religious right. I just hope he does not run the country like he did Massachusetts. From what I have gathered he did only a fair job as Governor.

He has already said he wants to build a lot more military ships and build up the military more.

Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

(07-06-2012 01:12 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 04:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 03:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I think it's fair to say that no matter who is running for the GOP he'd be to the right of Obama. Romney probably won't bow to foreign leaders and apologize for America. Romney probably won't pander for votes by catering to the unions. Romney won't make promises of getting off foreign oil and then sinking the Keystone pipeline.

Romeny won't run the country like it was Chicago.

Yes. Romney will however pander for votes by catering to the industrial military complex and likely the religious right. I just hope he does not run the country like he did Massachusetts. From what I have gathered he did only a fair job as Governor.

He has already said he wants to build a lot more military ships and build up the military more.

Yes. I have not seen Obama downsizing the military either. I suspect if you look, he is also on the take of the IMC.

(07-06-2012 07:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

As long as they are disclosed and not used for illegal activity, why not?

More pertinent question. Should we as a country have tax and other laws which provide clear incentives to have such accounts, or should our laws provide incentives to encourage people to keep money here?

(07-06-2012 07:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

As long as they are disclosed and not used for illegal activity, why not?

More pertinent question. Should we as a country have tax and other laws which provide clear incentives to have such accounts, or should our laws provide incentives to encourage people to keep money here?

Yes. Another reason we need a consumption tax. It would bring back that cash and also bring back businesses. Our number one goal should be to make America the Mecca of the business world. Zero business taxes would do the trick. It would create more jobs than all the stimulus crap could ever do.

(07-06-2012 07:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

As long as they are disclosed and not used for illegal activity, why not?

More pertinent question. Should we as a country have tax and other laws which provide clear incentives to have such accounts, or should our laws provide incentives to encourage people to keep money here?

What if they aren't disclosed?

So you would be okay with a president riding in foreign limousines as well? They are legal too.

(07-06-2012 07:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

As long as they are disclosed and not used for illegal activity, why not?

More pertinent question. Should we as a country have tax and other laws which provide clear incentives to have such accounts, or should our laws provide incentives to encourage people to keep money here?

So you would be okay with a president riding in foreign limousines as well? They are legal too.

I think you missed the point. He did not say he liked it...just that is was legal. He would like to see people be incentivized to not shelter cash abroad.

(07-06-2012 07:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

John Kerry owned property in Europe... is that any different?

I'm at a loss on how the man who lost to John McCain is our nominee... In case you have been hiding under a rock, Obama beat John McCain.

I can see Romney adding more taxes like in Mass., and not having the balls to get hard legislation passed that is now necessary to protect us against Communists foreigners who cheat the system with Soros money to become President and undo all that makes America great. End result = little change.

I mean let's face it, Romney is a Country club chump with no clue about real American life... but he's better than the Blank Check we have now.

(07-06-2012 07:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

John Kerry owned property in Europe... is that any different?

Owning a house or car in Europe is a little different. I see 3 problems with having offshore accounts and not disclosing them.
1.) You have the choice to invest your money anywhere in the world and you choose another economy but want to be in charge of this economy?
2.) What is so secret that you can't share what you are doing with these accounts?
3.) You have been running for president for 6 years, did you not have the foresight to see that this could be an issue?

Differences between Romney and Obama? Depends on what time of the day you ask.



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(07-06-2012 08:46 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

John Kerry owned property in Europe... is that any different?

Owning a house or car in Europe is a little different. I see 3 problems with having offshore accounts and not disclosing them.
1.) You have the choice to invest your money anywhere in the world and you choose another economy but want to be in charge of this economy?
2.) What is so secret that you can't share what you are doing with these accounts?
3.) You have been running for president for 6 years, did you not have the foresight to see that this could be an issue?

1.) I'd have serious concerns about the intelligence of anyone (who has the ability/means to bank/invest anywhere in the world) who chooses to do so only in the U.S., given the current business and political environment.
2.) What do you mean by this - like how he's going to spend the money? Would you expect the same of a Presidential candidate and their U.S. bank account?
3.) Yeah, if only he'd had the foresight to put more money into the Wall Street banks six years ago!

(07-06-2012 08:46 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 07:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Should a president have Swiss bank accounts and off shore cayman island accounts?

John Kerry owned property in Europe... is that any different?

Owning a house or car in Europe is a little different. I see 3 problems with having offshore accounts and not disclosing them.
1.) You have the choice to invest your money anywhere in the world and you choose another economy but want to be in charge of this economy?
2.) What is so secret that you can't share what you are doing with these accounts?
3.) You have been running for president for 6 years, did you not have the foresight to see that this could be an issue?

but you changed the metric in your argument... when did he ever not disclose them? Who said anything about not disclosing them?

1) absolutely. in case you have missed the point, rich people do what is in their best interest. the fact that they send money overseas should tell you that we are doing it wrong... we should be attracting, not sending away, deposits

2) nothing is secret about a swiss bank account. You are living in the 1970s if you think it is. If he wanted to hide something, hed put in in a US safe deposit box. It is overseas because the tax treatment is better.

3) Virtually every investment company involves banking in the caymans. Its about taxation. again, why dont we fix the problem rather than blame people for doing what is in their best interest

as I recall, he had a swiss account many years ago and closed it because the benefits weren't "enough".

(07-05-2012 03:24 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  If you look at records (and not campaign promises), both sides are pretty damn close.

The only thing I can think of that *might* be different between another 4 with Obama and 4 with Romney is support for marriage equality (and even that is iffy).

What say you? What would realistically be different between a second term Obama Presidency and a first term Romney presidency? (besides the obvious implications for 2016)

I'm in a hurry, but if I read you correctly, you're suggesting that Obama and Romney get married and asking how that presidency would be different from the Clintons' presidency?

What would be different? Not nearly enough to suit me.

I think Romney gets undermined by establishment Republicans with political agendas the same way that Kerry didn't get the full support in 2004 from the democratic establishment. Any of you planning on knocking on doors for Mitt?

Mitt should give Obama some of his magic underwear.

Mitt is white and Obaffoon is 1/2 white.