(07-04-2012 12:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 10:25 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  Any Miami and Toledo fans want to clear up the confusion involving their bowl records?

Toledo's record book lists '84 Cal Bowl as a Rocket victory.

As for Miami and '62 loss to Houston, Tangerine was not recognized as a "major bowl game" until 1968.

If you talk to UT it is a victory for Toledo. If you talk to UNLV it is a victory for them. They refuse to recognize the NCAA's forfeited results. In today's definition of a forfeit it would have went down as a forfeit and no decision for Toledo so that's how I like to count it.

Hey, where is the Kent St. 1954 Refrigerator Bowl appearance? Sure we lost 19-7 to the Fightin' Blue Hens of Delaware, but you know Evansville, Indiana was a rocking' bowl site. It was the refrigerator capitol of America, you know. That screams "party".

(07-04-2012 01:37 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 12:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 10:25 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  Any Miami and Toledo fans want to clear up the confusion involving their bowl records?

Toledo's record book lists '84 Cal Bowl as a Rocket victory.

As for Miami and '62 loss to Houston, Tangerine was not recognized as a "major bowl game" until 1968.

If you talk to UT it is a victory for Toledo. If you talk to UNLV it is a victory for them. They refuse to recognize the NCAA's forfeited results. In today's definition of a forfeit it would have went down as a forfeit and no decision for Toledo so that's how I like to count it.

That's kind of how I view a forfeit, it's not a loss, or a win for either team. It's like "removing" the win from the winning teams record, and "removing" the loss from the losing team's record.

(07-04-2012 01:44 PM)axeme Wrote:  Hey, where is the Kent St. 1954 Refrigerator Bowl appearance? Sure we lost 19-7 to the Fightin' Blue Hens of Delaware, but you know Evansville, Indiana was a rocking' bowl site. It was the refrigerator capitol of America, you know. That screams "party".

CFBdatawarehouse doesn't count that bowl as a major bowl at the time. Wasn't it technically Division 2 college football at the time? The I-A and I-AA split didn't occur until the 1978 season. Many teams changed divisions in both directions around that time. However, no team has dropped from I-A to I-AA since that 1978 split, unless outright dropping their football program all together.

What, the Refrigerator Bowl was not a major bowl? I mean, I know it wasn't major like the Go Daddy or Pizza Pizza Bowl in terms of stature, but it was the biggest bowl Indiana had ever seen!

"Back in the Day" (that axeme is referring to) there was University Division, and College Division. No D-I, D-IAA, etc.

Kent State did not become "University Division" until 1962. The unlamented Refrigerator Bowl was a College Division game.

(07-04-2012 01:54 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  That's kind of how I view a forfeit, it's not a loss, or a win for either team. It's like "removing" the win from the winning teams record, and "removing" the loss from the losing team's record.

The term used by NCAA these days is "vacated," as in "Ohio State vacated the game" - like it was never played.

Stupid. A team either won it, or forfeited.

After the '84 Cal Bowl, UNLV was found to have used ineligible players earlier in the season but apparently not in the bowl game. That is the bone of contention.

Ruling at the time was UNLV forfeited so UT should get the 'W.'

UNLV forefeited... but it was not the only game where ineligible players played for them. Techincally no one knows if they could have played their way into that bowl game without those players. Really they should have never been in the game...therefor Toledo would have played another opponent. Toledo can not guess that outcome, therefor it's like the game wasn't played. Toledo gets the acutal game score removed. They are granted a bowl appearance, just no outcome. Toledo is 8-3 in 12 games.

(07-02-2012 09:22 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Toledo 8
Miami U 7
BGSU 4
NIU 4
CMU 2
EMU 1
OU 1
WMU 0
BSU 0
KSU 0
UB 0
Akron 0
UMass 0 <-- 1

UMass won the Boardwalk Bowl Dec 9, 1972 and lost to East Carolina Dec 12, 1964 in the Tangerine Bowl 13-14.

Click on the UMass Football Wiki Page in the signature.
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(07-04-2012 08:02 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 09:22 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Toledo 8
Miami U 7
BGSU 4
NIU 4
CMU 2
EMU 1
OU 1
WMU 0
BSU 0
KSU 0
UB 0
Akron 0
UMass 0 <-- 1

UMass won the Boardwalk Bowl Dec 9, 1972 and lost to East Carolina Dec 12, 1964 in the Tangerine Bowl 13-14.

Click on the UMass Football Wiki Page in the signature.
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Already a bigger legacy than half of the conference...

So was the University Division and the College Division (prior to 1978) somewhat equivalent to today's I-A and I-AA structure? It still sounds like they're one higher and one second tier of college football. It sounds like some of these College Division bowls weren't considered "big" enough to be counted by CFBdatawarehouse.

Not the same because College Division was all teams that are now classified FCS, D-II, and D-III - there were no distinctions made.

(07-04-2012 03:15 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:54 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  That's kind of how I view a forfeit, it's not a loss, or a win for either team. It's like "removing" the win from the winning teams record, and "removing" the loss from the losing team's record.

The term used by NCAA these days is "vacated," as in "Ohio State vacated the game" - like it was never played.

Stupid. A team either won it, or forfeited.

After the '84 Cal Bowl, UNLV was found to have used ineligible players earlier in the season but apparently not in the bowl game. That is the bone of contention.

Ruling at the time was UNLV forfeited so UT should get the 'W.'

I do not believe that is correct. While some of the ineligible players may not have played in the game I am pretty sure one, very well known, player actually did play in the bowl game and it was later found that he violated rules and should not have been eligible.

I think you're probably right, Brian. It was a while back and my Halftimers' has been acting up.

The QB on the 1984 UNLV team was Randall Cunningham.

(07-06-2012 11:01 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  The QB on the 1984 UNLV team was Randall Cunningham.

Who?

Was that one the Ron Howard played?

Was The Fonz the TB?

(07-06-2012 11:13 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 11:01 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  The QB on the 1984 UNLV team was Randall Cunningham.

Who?

Was that one the Ron Howard played?

Was The Fonz the TB?

Hmm, think that was Richie Cunningham. But you're right, I believe the Fonz was quite the running back. When they tried to tackle him the grease from his hair made them all slip off.

(07-06-2012 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I believe the Fonz was quite the running back. When they tried to tackle him the grease from his hair made them all slip off.

Fonz did great job "jumping the shark"!

Was that Tarkanian (UNLV)?