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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 12:41 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  These school presidents have to look long term. If Boise jumps to the Big East and then Louisville and Cincinnati bolt to the Big 12 or UConn go off to the ACC then this thing would become a full blown disaster for Boise State. Out west there aren't many good options except the PAC-12 and MWC for all-sports. I think San Diego State and Boise State are making a long term mistake. They can't trust Louisville, UCF and Cincinnati to stay put. These schools are on their third conference in 15 years and would jump to a 4th if the Big 12 called. These schools are just loyal to the $$$$. Granted Boise State exacly known for loyalty either after leaving the Big Sky, WAC and MWC in 15 years. Gotta feel bad for Memphis, Temple, Houston and SMU they are just wanting to be part of the club, but if some of these schools bolts the club will burn down and they are left with no options.

So what if eastern teams like Louisville or Cinci leave? Does the football conference fall apart when they are replaced by S Miss and ECU? From a football standpoint, there wouldnt be all that much difference. Hell---S Miss might become pretty scarey with another 10 million dollars to add to thier athletic budget. At this point, the Big East is essentially becoming the "Big Mid-Majors" conference. Its becoming a collection of the strongest mid-major football programs in the country. Yes, it has few "brand names", but it also no longer has any irreplaceable parts. It essentially cant be killed. Being nationwide, after a defection, it simply takes the next best remaining team, regardless of its location and keeps right on going.
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 12:41 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  These school presidents have to look long term. If Boise jumps to the Big East and then Louisville and Cincinnati bolt to the Big 12 or UConn go off to the ACC then this thing would become a full blown disaster for Boise State. Out west there aren't many good options except the PAC-12 and MWC for all-sports. I think San Diego State and Boise State are making a long term mistake. They can't trust Louisville, UCF and Cincinnati to stay put. These schools are on their third conference in 15 years and would jump to a 4th if the Big 12 called. These schools are just loyal to the $$$$. Granted Boise State exacly known for loyalty either after leaving the Big Sky, WAC and MWC in 15 years. Gotta feel bad for Memphis, Temple, Houston and SMU they are just wanting to be part of the club, but if some of these schools bolts the club will burn down and they are left with no options.

Like everyone "Loyal"...FSU/Clemson/Virginia Tech/Georgia Tech would listen to the Big XII or especially the SEC if they called.

OBJ, the only conferences that are completely safe from anyone leaving are the Pac 12, SEC & B1G...you can't make decisions in this day and age based on what might happen...
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 12:55 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 12:41 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  These school presidents have to look long term. If Boise jumps to the Big East and then Louisville and Cincinnati bolt to the Big 12 or UConn go off to the ACC then this thing would become a full blown disaster for Boise State. Out west there aren't many good options except the PAC-12 and MWC for all-sports. I think San Diego State and Boise State are making a long term mistake. They can't trust Louisville, UCF and Cincinnati to stay put. These schools are on their third conference in 15 years and would jump to a 4th if the Big 12 called. These schools are just loyal to the $$$$. Granted Boise State exacly known for loyalty either after leaving the Big Sky, WAC and MWC in 15 years. Gotta feel bad for Memphis, Temple, Houston and SMU they are just wanting to be part of the club, but if some of these schools bolts the club will burn down and they are left with no options.

So what if eastern teams like Louisville or Cinci leave? Does the football conference fall apart when they are replaced by S Miss and ECU? From a football standpoint, there wouldnt be all that much difference. Hell---S Miss might become pretty scarey with another 10 million dollars to add to thier athletic budget. At this point, the Big East is essentially becoming the "Big Mid-Majors" conference. Its becoming a collection of the strongest mid-major football programs in the country. Yes, it has few "brand names", but it also no longer has any irreplaceable parts. It essentially cant be killed. Being nationwide, after a defection, it simply takes the next best remaining team, regardless of its location and keeps right on going.

Better then a "Big Mid-Major" since UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, South Florida & SMU are really considered "Majors".

Right now if the "Big Five" are the "Heavyweight" then the BIG EAST is the "Cruiserweight"...still bigger then the MWC, C-USA etc. etc. "Middleweight".
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
After the playoff decision, UL's dreams of the Big 12 have dashed. The ACC is now solid as part of the "Big 5". They have a "BCS" bowl tie-in and the money will be equally shared from the playoff TV revenue. The Big 12 has 10 teams and won't make any more money with 12, even if it's FSU and Clemson. So why expand? Notre Dame would be the only reason to do so...and from what I've read recently, they're about to negotiate a huge NBC deal, again. The only reason the Big 12 were luring ND's olympic sports was because they thought that having them there would mean getting their football team there, if they independents weren't being included in the playoff scenarios. But ND will be included in the playoff and now have no reason to join any conference. They may even get a tie-in to a major bowl, depending on their record, too. ND's non-football sports don't fit in the Big 12 and they can stay east in the BE with the other catholic schools. They also have many sports not played in the Big 12.

Boise will be in the Big East and USM and ECU fans hoping for the demise of the Big East can go back to worrying about CUSA. Boise definitely isn't waiting on the Big 12 and the Big 12 can pretty much add a number of school a lot better for them than Boise.

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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 12:48 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 12:44 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Murphy's latest tweet, a few minutes ago:

Brian Murphy ‏@murphsturph

In addition to Mountain West, Boise State also has to inform league members with written notice. Still think Broncos go today.

Can you say "Electronic Pen"/"Fax Machine"...whatever...lol.

We will know something by the end of the day and then maybe not. The only thing today decides is the payout whether they stay or go.
Right. The only thing we will know is whether Boise withdrew from the MWC, or not. All the other rampant speculation will continue, unabated, lol. Unless Boise announces a move to the BWC, or something else definite, for Oly sports.
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 12:41 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  These school presidents have to look long term. If Boise jumps to the Big East and then Louisville and Cincinnati bolt to the Big 12 or UConn go off to the ACC then this thing would become a full blown disaster for Boise State. Out west there aren't many good options except the PAC-12 and MWC for all-sports. I think San Diego State and Boise State are making a long term mistake. They can't trust Louisville, UCF and Cincinnati to stay put. These schools are on their third conference in 15 years and would jump to a 4th if the Big 12 called. These schools are just loyal to the $$$$. Granted Boise State exacly known for loyalty either after leaving the Big Sky, WAC and MWC in 15 years. Gotta feel bad for Memphis, Temple, Houston and SMU they are just wanting to be part of the club, but if some of these schools bolts the club will burn down and they are left with no options.

You are absolutely right Ohio.03-banghead03-puke

With that mentality, you probably should not get out of bed, go to work, meet with friends after work or do anything that could result in a potential disaster.01-wingedeagle

Everyone should always try to better themselves. That is what this is all about, and if Louisville or Cinci or UConn or Rutgers...or anyone else should get a better offer, then they will do what they should do and there will be other opportunities for Boise too.

To not take a risk, at making more money, getting better bowls, and more publicity for your school is insane...just because something could change latter.
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 11:26 AM)BE Tex Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 11:15 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I think Boise State will bring the WAC back to life and join them again.

I don't think that is possible not now. Not enough schools with the right sports to keep a conference. You'll be asking smaller schools with stressed budgets already to add sports which won't be financially feasible. In addition, I can see the MW deciding to go to 12 and take NMSU from the WAC and TX St from the Sun Belt. The Sunbelt may take NMSU as a all sports member and that'll still keep the WAC from being a conference. I believe the AD and Presidents have ran through all the scenarios and it was the Big West or staying in the MW. Anything other is too big of a gamble to play with a universities athletic dept.

I don't see the TV revenue difference will be enough to persuade BSU from leaving. We are only talking a few million dollars difference. The details of how the playoffs and major bowls will now be selected have changed a lot of circumstances and the Big East is a conference without a major bowl tie-in and won't have one.

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(06-30-2012 09:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:10 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Triple A, if Boise and SDSU do not work out, I hope we do this and call it a day.

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Navy
Central Florida
SMU

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina
South Florida
Houston
I know. I still don't understand your infatuation with ECU. If we take an east coast team with a small market, then USM has a much better, and much longer, track record in FB.

But Boise is the team we need to help our TV contract, and standing in the FB world.

Memphis needs a lot more then Boise to help their standing in the football world. You haven't beaten ECU in like a decade in football so the bitterness is only natural but let's not fool one another here.
Not sure what Memphis' problem with ECU is. ECU helped save their bowl
back in the 1990's when nobody would come there anymore. Same thing happened in Atlanta at the time. ECU carries 10 times more of the state of North Carolina than Memphis will ever carry of Tennessee a much smaller state in terms of population or population growth upside.
ECU averages 50,000 per game. That isn't small market by any means when all these so-called big cities can't do it. They have won as much as anyone else you're bringing in but maybe Boise who has not played much of a schedule by comparision. You can't beat college cities in the SEC etc. with a bunch of commuter schools who have never drawn flies in football and then say East Carolina isn't good enough because the draw twice as much in an actual college town half the size. Greenville is still North Carolina's fastest growing city and it a perfect entry in football for the Big East. So is Southern Miss. Both would help this league in football. ECU might not be UNC in basketball but they aren't in deal last place in that sport either. For Memphis to sit here and constantly bust on ECU when they don't put 1,000 in the seats is a joke.
Face it, ECU is twice the football program Memphis is and the only way you can do anything about that is to totally expel them from football altogether. I have no respect for Memphis anymore as a result of them trying to cut ECU out of college football.
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
What makes everyone think they will know something today? It would be just like Dr.K to not say anything and have everyone keep talking about Boise for another week till it came out somewhere else.
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
We not know, but something either has to be announced or worked out between Boise State and the Mountain West or else Boise State's cost of leaving skyrockets up.
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 09:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:10 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Triple A, if Boise and SDSU do not work out, I hope we do this and call it a day.

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Navy UMass (football-only)
Central Florida
SMU

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina Navy (football-only)
South Florida
Houston

I know. I still don't understand your infatuation with ECU. If we take an east coast team with a small market, then USM has a much better, and much longer, track record in FB.

But Boise is the team we need to help our TV contract, and standing in the FB world.

His infatuation with East Carolina ignores several crucial facts: the Big East's long history of not wanting East Carolina, the fact that nobody wants to expand beyond 18 in basketball, and the lack of a fourth market and state flagship in the Northeast.

The easiest move for the Big East would be to add UMass when Navy joins, both as football-only members, since UMass can stay in the A-10 for basketball. No way will the Big East expand to 19 or 20 in hoops for East Carolina or Southern Mississippi.
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(06-30-2012 02:10 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:10 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Triple A, if Boise and SDSU do not work out, I hope we do this and call it a day.

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Navy UMass (football-only)
Central Florida
SMU

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina Navy (football-only)
South Florida
Houston

I know. I still don't understand your infatuation with ECU. If we take an east coast team with a small market, then USM has a much better, and much longer, track record in FB.

But Boise is the team we need to help our TV contract, and standing in the FB world.

His infatuation with East Carolina ignores several crucial facts: the Big East's long history of not wanting East Carolina, the fact that nobody wants to expand beyond 18 in basketball, and the lack of a fourth market and state flagship in the Northeast.

The easiest move for the Big East would be to add UMass when Navy joins, both as football-only members, since UMass can stay in the A-10 for basketball. No way will the Big East expand to 19 or 20 in hoops for East Carolina or Southern Mississippi.

Or his infacutation could be accepting the reality of what maybe about to happen. SOS will mean something.
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(06-30-2012 01:41 PM)Oh Really? Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:10 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Triple A, if Boise and SDSU do not work out, I hope we do this and call it a day.

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Navy
Central Florida
SMU

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina
South Florida
Houston
I know. I still don't understand your infatuation with ECU. If we take an east coast team with a small market, then USM has a much better, and much longer, track record in FB.

But Boise is the team we need to help our TV contract, and standing in the FB world.

Memphis needs a lot more then Boise to help their standing in the football world. You haven't beaten ECU in like a decade in football so the bitterness is only natural but let's not fool one another here.
Not sure what Memphis' problem with ECU is. ECU helped save their bowl
back in the 1990's when nobody would come there anymore. Same thing happened in Atlanta at the time. ECU carries 10 times more of the state of North Carolina than Memphis will ever carry of Tennessee a much smaller state in terms of population or population growth upside.
ECU averages 50,000 per game. That isn't small market by any means when all these so-called big cities can't do it. They have won as much as anyone else you're bringing in but maybe Boise who has not played much of a schedule by comparision. You can't beat college cities in the SEC etc. with a bunch of commuter schools who have never drawn flies in football and then say East Carolina isn't good enough because the draw twice as much in an actual college town half the size. Greenville is still North Carolina's fastest growing city and it a perfect entry in football for the Big East. So is Southern Miss. Both would help this league in football. ECU might not be UNC in basketball but they aren't in deal last place in that sport either. For Memphis to sit here and constantly bust on ECU when they don't put 1,000 in the seats is a joke.
Face it, ECU is twice the football program Memphis is and the only way you can do anything about that is to totally expel them from football altogether. I have no respect for Memphis anymore as a result of them trying to cut ECU out of college football.
Good grief, if I didn't have Memphis in my avatar, you would have no clue I was a Memphis fan, concerning this post. My argument is that USM is a much better choice than ECU. USM has done more than ECU in FB for many more years. It has nothing at all to do with Memphis, so quit trying to argue a point I wasn't making.
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 03:16 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 02:10 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:10 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Triple A, if Boise and SDSU do not work out, I hope we do this and call it a day.

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Navy UMass (football-only)
Central Florida
SMU

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina Navy (football-only)
South Florida
Houston

I know. I still don't understand your infatuation with ECU. If we take an east coast team with a small market, then USM has a much better, and much longer, track record in FB.

But Boise is the team we need to help our TV contract, and standing in the FB world.

His infatuation with East Carolina ignores several crucial facts: the Big East's long history of not wanting East Carolina, the fact that nobody wants to expand beyond 18 in basketball, and the lack of a fourth market and state flagship in the Northeast.

The easiest move for the Big East would be to add UMass when Navy joins, both as football-only members, since UMass can stay in the A-10 for basketball. No way will the Big East expand to 19 or 20 in hoops for East Carolina or Southern Mississippi.

Or his infacutation could be accepting the reality of what maybe about to happen. SOS will mean something.

I never had a problem with ECU as a member even when we had Syracuse, WVU & Pitt. 50K also means something as well....a school with a loyal and rabid fanbase.

My thing with ECU was just it be Football Only...that might have been a problem with ECU Fans. Plus, North Carolina is one of the fastest growing states in the country.
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(06-30-2012 03:19 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 03:16 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 02:10 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:10 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Triple A, if Boise and SDSU do not work out, I hope we do this and call it a day.

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Navy UMass (football-only)
Central Florida
SMU

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina Navy (football-only)
South Florida
Houston

I know. I still don't understand your infatuation with ECU. If we take an east coast team with a small market, then USM has a much better, and much longer, track record in FB.

But Boise is the team we need to help our TV contract, and standing in the FB world.

His infatuation with East Carolina ignores several crucial facts: the Big East's long history of not wanting East Carolina, the fact that nobody wants to expand beyond 18 in basketball, and the lack of a fourth market and state flagship in the Northeast.

The easiest move for the Big East would be to add UMass when Navy joins, both as football-only members, since UMass can stay in the A-10 for basketball. No way will the Big East expand to 19 or 20 in hoops for East Carolina or Southern Mississippi.

Or his infacutation could be accepting the reality of what maybe about to happen. SOS will mean something.

I never had a problem with ECU as a member even when we had Syracuse, WVU & Pitt. 50K also means something as well....a school with a loyal and rabid fanbase.

My thing with ECU was just it be Football Only...that might have been a problem with ECU Fans. Plus, North Carolina is one of the fastest growing states in the country.

Who knows anything at this point. The Big East may stay at 11 or 10 or whatever number; but at this point it would seem unusal for ECU or USM to accept football onlies since SMU, Memphis and Houston got all sport invitations. ECU's basketball program is better than SMU's, so why would they accept a football only offer? A year ago that poster Sandiss was say 12/20, but a lot has happened since then so we will see.
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(06-30-2012 03:25 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 03:19 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 03:16 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 02:10 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 09:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I know. I still don't understand your infatuation with ECU. If we take an east coast team with a small market, then USM has a much better, and much longer, track record in FB.

But Boise is the team we need to help our TV contract, and standing in the FB world.

His infatuation with East Carolina ignores several crucial facts: the Big East's long history of not wanting East Carolina, the fact that nobody wants to expand beyond 18 in basketball, and the lack of a fourth market and state flagship in the Northeast.

The easiest move for the Big East would be to add UMass when Navy joins, both as football-only members, since UMass can stay in the A-10 for basketball. No way will the Big East expand to 19 or 20 in hoops for East Carolina or Southern Mississippi.

Or his infacutation could be accepting the reality of what maybe about to happen. SOS will mean something.

I never had a problem with ECU as a member even when we had Syracuse, WVU & Pitt. 50K also means something as well....a school with a loyal and rabid fanbase.

My thing with ECU was just it be Football Only...that might have been a problem with ECU Fans. Plus, North Carolina is one of the fastest growing states in the country.

Who knows anything at this point. The Big East may stay at 11 or 10 or whatever number; but at this point it would seem unusal for ECU or USM to accept football onlies since SMU, Memphis and Houston got all sport invitations. ECU's basketball program is better than SMU's, so why would they accept a football only offer? A year ago that poster Sandiss was say 12/20, but a lot has happened since then so we will see.

Any eastern football-only member would probably become an all-sports members if anyone leaves for what its worth.
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Still absolutely no sign that Boise State is going to announce anything today. Beginning to hear some Monday chatter. We'll see.
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UMass. ......... UConn
UofL. ............. Cincy
USF. ............... UCF
SMU. .............. Houston
Temple. .......... Rutgers
Memphis. ....... S. Miss
ODU. ............... ECU
Navy. ............... Army
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
(06-30-2012 12:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-30-2012 12:41 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  These school presidents have to look long term. If Boise jumps to the Big East and then Louisville and Cincinnati bolt to the Big 12 or UConn go off to the ACC then this thing would become a full blown disaster for Boise State. Out west there aren't many good options except the PAC-12 and MWC for all-sports. I think San Diego State and Boise State are making a long term mistake. They can't trust Louisville, UCF and Cincinnati to stay put. These schools are on their third conference in 15 years and would jump to a 4th if the Big 12 called. These schools are just loyal to the $$$$. Granted Boise State exacly known for loyalty either after leaving the Big Sky, WAC and MWC in 15 years. Gotta feel bad for Memphis, Temple, Houston and SMU they are just wanting to be part of the club, but if some of these schools bolts the club will burn down and they are left with no options.
Right, like the MWC is so much more stable than the BE.

the MWC is very stable. They are at 10 members now and even if this mythical western team came from the MW, there is NMSU to fill in for the 10th spot.
06-30-2012 04:24 PM
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RE: Why Boise has not committed to Big East Yet (link)
And the Media Rights Deal/BCS Revenue Distribution would still lag way behind the BIG EAST. But it is Boise State decision...they can stay in the MWC-(which would make no economic sense) but it would be their choice.

The MWC is a much different league without Utah, BYU & TCU. The BIG EAST was damaged by expansion but not to the extent that the MWC was...it is what it is.
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