First one is a 4-team deal:


Clippers get:
Lamar Odom

Jazz get:
Mo Williams, draft rights to Shan Foster

Mavericks get:
Trade exception, cash, draft rights to Tadija Dragicevic

Rockets get:
Draft rights to Furkan Aldemir

I got a sneaky feeling we are eventually going to try and trade Zbo. Especially if we resign both Arthur and Speights.

(06-30-2012 08:41 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  I got a sneaky feeling we are eventually going to try and trade Zbo. Especially if we resign both Arthur and Speights.

Trade him for what, another PF, a SG, both? There's no way that they would get any value for him.

Oh we won't get any value at all, it will be at the end of next season so we can stay under the cap. They got one more year with this so called "core". They just can't keep both Zbo and Rudy. And we all know Rudy is their favorite.

Rudy is the better player and will only get better with a lot of career left. Zbo, while being a great player has some question marks about his knee and age. Luckily for Zbo, he doesn't get off the floor very much , so his knee won't take near the abuse and he may still have several productive years ahead. LOL

btw, Grizz have agreed to match qualifying offers on Speights and Arthur. Take it FWIW.

I don't think Rudy is going to get any better. What you see is what you get. He averages what 19 a game? Do you really see him being a 25-28 a game scorer? I just don't think he's got the killer in him to do that although he certainly has the talent.

A lot of his "lack of killer instinct" has to do with Hollins system, or lack thereof. And, a PG that doesn't create opportunities (again, because of the lack of a system that works to the team's strengths, IMHO)

(06-30-2012 08:53 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  Rudy is the better player and will only get better with a lot of career left. Zbo, while being a great player has some question marks about his knee and age. Luckily for Zbo, he doesn't get off the floor very much , so his knee won't take near the abuse and he may still have several productive years ahead. LOL

btw, Grizz have agreed to match qualifying offers on Speights and Arthur. Take it FWIW.

They have? I haven't seen or heard that anywhere. I thought it was more likely that they would retain one of them, not both.

(06-30-2012 09:09 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  A lot of his "lack of killer instinct" has to do with Hollins system, or lack thereof. And, a PG that doesn't create opportunities (again, because of the lack of a system that works to the team's strengths, IMHO)

I won't argue with you there. Hollins is not much of an X and O man. I think his offense hinders shooters. The spacing is terrible. The only open looks they get regularly is with Speights or Arthur from the elbow.

(06-30-2012 09:13 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 08:53 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  Rudy is the better player and will only get better with a lot of career left. Zbo, while being a great player has some question marks about his knee and age. Luckily for Zbo, he doesn't get off the floor very much , so his knee won't take near the abuse and he may still have several productive years ahead. LOL

btw, Grizz have agreed to match qualifying offers on Speights and Arthur. Take it FWIW.

They have? I haven't seen or heard that anywhere. I thought it was more likely that they would retain one of them, not both.

Yep. Saw it on the news a bout 30 mins ago. Interesting , indeed.

(06-30-2012 09:19 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 09:09 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  A lot of his "lack of killer instinct" has to do with Hollins system, or lack thereof. And, a PG that doesn't create opportunities (again, because of the lack of a system that works to the team's strengths, IMHO)

I won't argue with you there. Hollins is not much of an X and O man. I think his offense hinders shooters. The spacing is terrible. The only open looks they get regularly is with Speights or Arthur from the elbow.

Bring back Fratello?

(06-30-2012 09:36 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 09:19 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 09:09 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  A lot of his "lack of killer instinct" has to do with Hollins system, or lack thereof. And, a PG that doesn't create opportunities (again, because of the lack of a system that works to the team's strengths, IMHO)

I won't argue with you there. Hollins is not much of an X and O man. I think his offense hinders shooters. The spacing is terrible. The only open looks they get regularly is with Speights or Arthur from the elbow.

Bring back Fratello?

Ummmm NO! Lol At least Lionel seems to get guys to play hard. I just wish he'd tweak his offense a little and make adjustments better. Fratello was horrible. Even Battier hated him.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see us deal Z-Bo.

I expect to see a lot of Zbo is unhappy rumors reported by our friendly beat writer and Heisley/Hollins mouthpiece as the year progresses lol

(06-30-2012 09:43 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 09:36 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 09:19 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 09:09 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  A lot of his "lack of killer instinct" has to do with Hollins system, or lack thereof. And, a PG that doesn't create opportunities (again, because of the lack of a system that works to the team's strengths, IMHO)

I won't argue with you there. Hollins is not much of an X and O man. I think his offense hinders shooters. The spacing is terrible. The only open looks they get regularly is with Speights or Arthur from the elbow.

Bring back Fratello?

Ummmm NO! Lol At least Lionel seems to get guys to play hard. I just wish he'd tweak his offense a little and make adjustments better. Fratello was horrible. Even Battier hated him.

Bring back Hubie?

(06-30-2012 11:35 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me at all to see us deal Z-Bo.

I really don't think he has enough value to trade him. I would think just ride him out this year and if not back to all star form amnesty him, and clear cap space for next offseason.

im all for Rudy getting traded.

Trade Zbo before Rudy.