(06-29-2012 06:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 12:09 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 11:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 04:10 PM)3601 Wrote:  There is no way in hell that a 13-0 SEC team is going to get left our of a 4 team playoff. Therefore, some SEC schools might soften their schedule.

LOL how can any SEC team soften their schedule any less? Do you mean they will start playing High School teams?

SEC teams were ranked 1,3, 5 6, 11 and 15 in sos in 2011. Try again.

Well, it helps that:

1) Many SEC teams go 4-0 or 3-1 in non-conf schedules since a majority of those games are against lesser teams and most of them take place on their home fields.

2) SEC teams are ranked HIGH in pre-season polls and even in COMPUTER polls prior to even playing a game...which the Committee said they would not pay any attention to (but it will be almost next to impossible to ignore) and would have no relevance in their selection.

Well, in 2012:

Start with Georgia-Georgia Tech, South Carolina-Clemson, FSU-Florida, and UK-Louisville.

'Bama plays Michigan in Jerryworld.
Arkansas is playing Rutgers, and the future is sprinkled with TCU, USM and Texas.
Auburn is playing Clemson, with WSU and K-STate in the future.
LSU hosts Washington, with USM, TCU, Arizona State, Oklahoma and NC State in the future.
Mississippi State plays no one of consequence.
Missouri is new to the SEC, playing Syracuse, UCF and ASU, with Indiana and UCF in the future, and rumors of bringing back the Border War.
Ole Miss plays Texas, with Boise STate, Clemson, Memphis and Georgia Tech in the future.
Tennessee plays NC State, with Oregon, Oklahoma, UConn and NEbraska in the future.
Texas A&M is new to the conference, plays SMU this year, with Oregon and USC in the future.
VAnderbilt plays, well, Wake Forest and Northwestern.

So, if you count SMU as a cupcake, that's 3 SEC teams (VU, A&M and MSU) out of 14 playing weak OOC's. And A&M had originally scheduled Arkansas as a non-conference game.

I think Syracuse's MetLife games will still have no trouble finding elite level BCS opponents in the out years. USC, Penn State and Notre Dame already have been announced. For a mid level BCS team these games will be the difference between inclusion and exclusion in the "Select Six" <yes I just coined that term for these select games> Bowl games.

Scheduling smart will still be the key for the. League.
You have 8 conference games, one game should be against a Team from the old AQ preferably a mid range or op team in that league, two games vs good opponents from CUSA,MWC,MAC or SBC and one 1 AA.
This type of schedule would make it more likely tht mst of our schools would have winning OCC records and help in the conference schedule.
Main thing we need are teams that can go 13-0, 12-1 or at worse 11-2 on a yearly basis.

Here is a good link on SOS off conferences. Big East has done well in this regard even ahead of ACC in years like the last one.

SOS

(06-29-2012 07:48 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Scheduling smart will still be the key for the. League.
You have 8 conference games, one game should be against a Team from the old AQ preferably a mid range or op team in that league, two games vs good opponents from CUSA,MWC,MAC or SBC and one 1 AA.
This type of schedule would make it more likely tht mst of our schools would have winning OCC records and help in the conference schedule.
Main thing we need are teams that can go 13-0, 12-1 or at worse 11-2 on a yearly basis.

It would help if Big East ended up with 2-3 teams annually with 10-11 plus wins...as having more than one top team (which would most likely mean several Big East teams had some nice non-conf wins too) is probably the only way for this conf to gain respect...as multiple teams have to do it during the SAME SEASON vs just 1 team per year.

Get 2-3 teams ranked in the Top 15...win some key non-conf regular season and good bowl games...do it year in and year out.

I don't think "SOS" is going to mean "how did you rank according to Jeff Sagarin." I think it's going to mean "who did you beat with national-championship major-bowl pedigrees."

(06-29-2012 08:39 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I don't think "SOS" is going to mean "how did you rank according to Jeff Sagarin." I think it's going to mean "who did you beat with national-championship major-bowl pedigrees."

And that would include conf games.

With most top conf now having 12-14 members, in say the ACC or Big East, one will not end up playing 6 conf opponents...and in a given year...that might include say 2-3 top teams in your conf, which would hurt your SOS.

Having a Conf Championship Game in MOST YEARS ensures an extra game for 2 teams which should help both their SOS in the end (win or lose).

(06-29-2012 08:50 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 08:39 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I don't think "SOS" is going to mean "how did you rank according to Jeff Sagarin." I think it's going to mean "who did you beat with national-championship major-bowl pedigrees."

And that would include conf games.

With most top conf now having 12-14 members, in say the ACC or Big East, one will not end up playing 6 conf opponents...and in a given year...that might include say 2-3 top teams in your conf, which would hurt your SOS.

Having a Conf Championship Game in MOST YEARS ensures an extra game for 2 teams which should help both their SOS in the end (win or lose).

I think it's really both. Being in a strong conference gives you both opportunities to play more games against marquee opponents and raises your overall SOS ranking under any computer measurement.

The use of SOS is just like when people were clamoring for the AQ status designation: be VERY careful about what you wish for.

Here are the SOS rankings from last year (click the SOS column to sort it):

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/curre...kings.html

The top 50 teams for SOS saw only one team that was not in the 5 power conferences or named Notre Dame (Tulsa at #19, who had a murderous non-conference schedule of playing Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Boise State). WVU was the first Big East appearance at #51 and they played the best regular season team in the country (LSU) in the non-conference schedule.

You'll also see (as I've repeated over and over again) that the SEC and Big 12 are helped even more by SOS calculations than by any perceived human bias. It's not just the bogeyman of the polls - the computer data backs up the SEC claims of dominance even more. SOS *perpetuates* the strength of the power conferences. It's another sales job of making something look equitable ("We're removing AQ status!") that really favors the powers that be even more.

When the top 50 of the SOS rankings includes only one non-power team, I hope people understand what the powers that be are trying to do here: use objective criteria to get the desired subjective outcome that they want.

(06-28-2012 11:57 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 04:19 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 01:44 PM)k5james Wrote:  Michigan's AD has gone one record saying he doesn't see any reason for Michigan to play a road game OOC ever again under his watch...

Yet they just announced that they are making a trip to Utah and Colorado while still traveling to ND every other year after a two year break...

http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/s...12aab.html

They had no choice. Those games are part of the agreement between the B1G and PAC12 to play each other OOC every year.

and they still schedule ND away.

The point is that this statement is not entirely accurate. Really he meant that outside of an away game at ND or a P12 team he doesn't see the need to have more than 1 OOC away game per year.

If SOS really matters then where you play the game (home/away/neutral) should also be part of the calculation IMO.

This may be a pretty big problem for the BE. Even before Pitt, Syracuse and WVU left, the rest of the BE schools generally had a tough time scheduling tough OOC competition. Louisville is the best example that comes to mind. I think out of everyone left in the BE and those that will be joining soon, only UCONN and USF appear to be getting decent OOC matchups. For the rest of you, why do you think schools from the other big conferences tend to avoid your schools?

(06-30-2012 01:33 PM)miko33 Wrote:  This may be a pretty big problem for the BE. Even before Pitt, Syracuse and WVU left, the rest of the BE schools generally had a tough time scheduling tough OOC competition. Louisville is the best example that comes to mind. I think out of everyone left in the BE and those that will be joining soon, only UCONN and USF appear to be getting decent OOC matchups. For the rest of you, why do you think schools from the other big conferences tend to avoid your schools?

If the schedule is 8 games then we have 1 guaranteed SEC Game and a ACC game coming up with one of the schedule this year.

We need a game with @ least a mid tier B1G, Big XII or even ACC opponent. The other two can be against a C-USA/MWC or Sunbelt school. I want no more FCS schools on the schedule though.

I would like to see this:
Kentucky-(SEC)
UNC-(ACC)
Western Kentucky/Middle Tennessee State-(Sunbelt)
Southern Miss-(C-USA)

(06-30-2012 01:41 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 01:33 PM)miko33 Wrote:  This may be a pretty big problem for the BE. Even before Pitt, Syracuse and WVU left, the rest of the BE schools generally had a tough time scheduling tough OOC competition. Louisville is the best example that comes to mind. I think out of everyone left in the BE and those that will be joining soon, only UCONN and USF appear to be getting decent OOC matchups. For the rest of you, why do you think schools from the other big conferences tend to avoid your schools?

If the schedule is 8 games then we have 1 guaranteed SEC Game and a ACC game coming up with one of the schedule this year.

We need a game with @ least a mid tier B1G, Big XII or even ACC opponent. The other two can be against a C-USA/MWC or Sunbelt school. I want no more FCS schools on the schedule though.

I would like to see this:
Kentucky-(SEC)
UNC-(ACC)
Western Kentucky/Middle Tennessee State-(Sunbelt)
Southern Miss-(C-USA)

I remember UL having a lot of trouble with scheduling when Petrino was there and the first year or 2 with Krags at the helm. Now that UL does not look as scary, I'd have thought you could get some more exciting matchups. Nice stadium, so it's not like the big schools would suffer from a small attendance issue there.

(06-30-2012 06:01 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 01:41 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 01:33 PM)miko33 Wrote:  This may be a pretty big problem for the BE. Even before Pitt, Syracuse and WVU left, the rest of the BE schools generally had a tough time scheduling tough OOC competition. Louisville is the best example that comes to mind. I think out of everyone left in the BE and those that will be joining soon, only UCONN and USF appear to be getting decent OOC matchups. For the rest of you, why do you think schools from the other big conferences tend to avoid your schools?

If the schedule is 8 games then we have 1 guaranteed SEC Game and a ACC game coming up with one of the schedule this year.

We need a game with @ least a mid tier B1G, Big XII or even ACC opponent. The other two can be against a C-USA/MWC or Sunbelt school. I want no more FCS schools on the schedule though.

I would like to see this:
Kentucky-(SEC)
UNC-(ACC)
Western Kentucky/Middle Tennessee State-(Sunbelt)
Southern Miss-(C-USA)

I remember UL having a lot of trouble with scheduling when Petrino was there and the first year or 2 with Krags at the helm. Now that UL does not look as scary, I'd have thought you could get some more exciting matchups. Nice stadium, so it's not like the big schools would suffer from a small attendance issue there.

The problem was having to fill out 5 OOC games...we got 1 SEC school locked in-(they are terrible though) and we have UNC this year and Duke coming up. Plus we did play FSU, K-State & Miami in the recent past home and home in C-USA & the BIG EAST.

(06-29-2012 06:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 12:09 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 11:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 04:10 PM)3601 Wrote:  There is no way in hell that a 13-0 SEC team is going to get left our of a 4 team playoff. Therefore, some SEC schools might soften their schedule.

LOL how can any SEC team soften their schedule any less? Do you mean they will start playing High School teams?

SEC teams were ranked 1,3, 5 6, 11 and 15 in sos in 2011. Try again. It's probably easy to sit up in New England and make ingorant statements, but if you actually watch college football or do the research you then will realize how wrong you are.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2011/Internet/t...s_cumm.pdf

Southwest Ohio= New England?

If so, Memphis=Rio Grande Valley...

For some reason I thought he was in Connecticut. He could be on the moon, but it would still be an ignorant statement.