(06-29-2012 06:43 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:34 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Over-rated criticism of the Big East.

NYC makes sense .....but having our offices in Providence hasn't caused our current situation.

[b]But one of the main reasons why the offices stayed there was because the Big East would never hire the best person for the job...they would just hire the next person in line from Providence College...a school that didn't even participate in the #1 revenue sport in the country, college football.[b]

Big East Football is basically starting a new in 2013...and what better way to do that than to move your offices into a region where you at least have either media presence (New York City) and/or a near-by school that plays in the #1 revenue sport (Rutgers Football).

Big Ten nor the SEC have to SELL their football product to sponsors and TV networks...but the Big East HAS to...and the #1 bully pulpit is the Commissioner's spot.

Having a Commish much more readily available to national media and corp sponsors would be a good thing...none of which are located in Providence, RI.

Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. The league was founded by Dave Gavitt AD of Providence College so thats where the league set up shop. Back then the teams were located in Providence, NYC, Boston, upstate NY, north Jersey, Connecticut and Washington with Philly coming in a year later. It made sense. Gaviit was the man who had the vision and pulled the conference together, Tranghese was a good commish and a respected one. Thats why we were still in the BCS after the first raid. You are spewing non-sense out your @$$. Please don't come on here and before you even join the league start bad mouthing our past and who we are with ignorant comments.

NJDude,

Ah...believe all of us knew that Gavitt was the first Big East Commish and has been stated thousands of times, came from Providence College.

The landscape of collegiate athletics has changed dramatically over the past 33 years since the Big East was originally formed (i.e. conf went from almost non-existent TV contracts to now signing multiple billion $$$ deals) and there is zero need to write a thesis on that subject.

(06-28-2012 10:56 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:36 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Its even more ridiculous when you realize how many Big East cities have little or nothing in common with Providence, RI. They dont with NYC either but NYC is the media market capital so its far less laughable. Boise, ID in a conference based out of Providence, RI, WTF is this madness??? The only way it didnt look stupid was when The Big East was primarly a catholic basketball league. When people mention ECU or Southern Miss for expansion I just laugh since Greenville, NC and Hattiesburg, MS have nothing in common with Providence, RI.

Umm, in that case, what does Irving/Dallas-Fort Worth have to do with Morgantown, WV? Or College Station? Or Stillwater? Or...you get the idea.

I'm not following the logic.

Well for one thing, football actually matters in those towns. Youth/high school/college football in Providence barely matters at all. Morgantown, College Station, Stillwater are all small southern/southwest college towns.

(06-29-2012 08:32 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  NJDude,

Ah...believe all of us knew that Gavitt was the first Big East Commish and has been stated thousands of times, came from Providence College.

The landscape of collegiate athletics has changed dramatically over the past 33 years since the Big East was originally formed (i.e. conf went from almost non-existent TV contracts to now signing multiple billion $$$ deals) and there is zero need to write a thesis on that subject.

"Dude" -- you do realize that bad business decisions would have likely been made in NYC.....right?

Geeesh...

Who was the genius SEC Commissioner who came up with the idea of having Bear Bryant at Alabama be completely dominant?

Who was the legendary Big Ten Commissioner who orchestrated the decade of Iowa-Michigan dominance?

You guys are way overstating the value of having a vocal commissioner. Kent Benson was real vocal the last two years about getting more access and money for the non-AQ conferences in the next BCS setup, championing his Boise State teams. How'd that go? Did the WAC get an AQ? Does Benson now sit along Scott, Delany and Slive at the big-boy table?

(06-29-2012 11:50 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Who was the genius SEC Commissioner who came up with the idea of having Bear Bryant at Alabama be completely dominant?

Who was the legendary Big Ten Commissioner who orchestrated the decade of Iowa-Michigan dominance?

You guys are way overstating the value of having a vocal commissioner. Kent Benson was real vocal the last two years about getting more access and money for the non-AQ conferences in the next BCS setup, championing his Boise State teams. How'd that go? Did the WAC get an AQ? Does Benson now sit along Scott, Delany and Slive at the big-boy table?

Obviously a successful commissioner doesn't have to necessarily be vocal, but I think some were suggseting that in order to help the Big East Conf get as much positive pub as possible.

Some Commissioners can become HUGE leaders, bringing with them a sea of change, as it was the former SEC Comissioner Roy Kramer, who first originally sought expansion and a new conference championship game as the key to future riches...and the rest you can say is history. (SEC added Arkansas and South Carolina in 1991 to get to 12 teams...and then added the Conf Championship Game in 1992).

Larry Scott in the Pac-12 brought in a strong outside view that also pushed Pac-10 (now Pac-12) to expansion, conf championship game, incredible new TV contracts (including starting up their own conf TV network) as is seen as a huge leader in regards to the Pac-12 today.

It would be great if the Big East landed someone who was a trailblazer like the above two...plus, a good public salesman as well.

(06-29-2012 11:59 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Some Commissioners can become HUGE leaders, bringing with them a sea of change, as it was the former SEC Comissioner Roy Kramer, who first originally sought expansion and a new conference championship game as the key to future riches...and the rest you can say is history. (SEC added Arkansas and South Carolina in 1991 to get to 12 teams...and then added the Conf Championship Game in 1992).

Larry Scott in the Pac-12 brought in a strong outside view that also pushed Pac-10 (now Pac-12) to expansion, conf championship game, incredible new TV contracts (including starting up their own conf TV network) as is seen as a huge leader in regards to the Pac-12 today.

See, bringing in a commissioner with revolutionary ideas would be a good move. But people are talking like getting a spin doctor to hype the conference to the media would be the difference between being on a level with the ACC and with C-USA.

(06-29-2012 12:09 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 11:59 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Some Commissioners can become HUGE leaders, bringing with them a sea of change, as it was the former SEC Comissioner Roy Kramer, who first originally sought expansion and a new conference championship game as the key to future riches...and the rest you can say is history. (SEC added Arkansas and South Carolina in 1991 to get to 12 teams...and then added the Conf Championship Game in 1992).

Larry Scott in the Pac-12 brought in a strong outside view that also pushed Pac-10 (now Pac-12) to expansion, conf championship game, incredible new TV contracts (including starting up their own conf TV network) as is seen as a huge leader in regards to the Pac-12 today.

See, bringing in a commissioner with revolutionary ideas would be a good move. But people are talking like getting a spin doctor to hype the conference to the media would be the difference between being on a level with the ACC and with C-USA.

True...but with almost all of the conf moves are now in the PAST (teams leaving, teams coming), only thing left for the new commissioner to do is in regards to prioritizing in:

1) Secure new TV Deal with at least 1 TV partner

2) Secure best bowl line-up as possible

Not sure any of those things would be considered "revolutionary"...but maybe the decision to jump ship from ESPN to NBC & NBC Sports to head-up that line-up for Football AND Basketball (with the help of Notre Dame Football) might be seen as slightly revolutionary.

(06-29-2012 12:17 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 12:09 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  See, bringing in a commissioner with revolutionary ideas would be a good move. But people are talking like getting a spin doctor to hype the conference to the media would be the difference between being on a level with the ACC and with C-USA.

True...but with almost all of the conf moves are now in the PAST (teams leaving, teams coming), only thing left for the new commissioner to do is in regards to prioritizing in:

1) Secure new TV Deal with at least 1 TV partner

2) Secure best bowl line-up as possible

See, neither of those things include "get quoted and interviewed regularly hyping Big East football."

I could see hiring someone with that specific job description. But that's not the guy I would pick as commissioner.

(06-28-2012 07:29 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  "" the B10" in Chicago?

Big 10 headquarters is about 6 feet from Chicago city limits.

Dave Gavitt was the 1980 US Olympic basketball coach at the age of 43-only one element of a tremendous coaching career and a transformative role as a college commissioner.

I would like to see the Big East HQ relocated, just seems like the right time. They might have to sublease their space as I think they just signed lease a couple of years ago. The Big East membership has changed dramatically over the years.

Office rent and living costs would be absurdly expensive.

(06-29-2012 06:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 10:52 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 09:05 PM)ivet Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 08:25 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 07:29 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  " " " B12 " in Dallas?

The B12 is headquartered in Dallas (well, in Irving, which is an inner suburb of Dallas where a lot of other corporations are also located)

Providence is just the suburbs of New York City

More like Boston if anywhere.

Yeah...the prior post to yours shows that said person never spent much time in the Northeast.

Providence is about an hour drive from South Boston (Providence Airport is a good location if you traveling to the burbs west/south of Boston) but is at least a 3 hours drive from New York City.

Knightlight I'm beginning to think you talk just to hear yourself talk- and you also do not get sarcasm....Caltex got it though-hence his reply that Boston (a large metro city) is also a "suburb" of NYC.

(06-29-2012 08:32 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  NJDude,

Ah...believe all of us knew that Gavitt was the first Big East Commish and has been stated thousands of times, came from Providence College.

The landscape of collegiate athletics has changed dramatically over the past 33 years since the Big East was originally formed (i.e. conf went from almost non-existent TV contracts to now signing multiple billion $$$ deals) and there is zero need to write a thesis on that subject.

My point was that you are talking out of your @$$ and don't know the history of the league nor respect where the league has come from.

"But one of the main reasons why the offices stayed there was because the Big East would never hire the best person for the job...they would just hire the next person in line from Providence College...a school that didn't even participate in the #1 revenue sport in the country, college football."

My point is that with out two of the three providence commissioners we don't have the Big East and the league never sponsors FB which means you guys aren't here right now. See, you don't know WTF you're talking about.

I think the Big East offices being located in Providence is an overblown issue but also agree that it will be time for a change when the new commissioner takes over. The reason the Big East offices are located in Providence is because that is where Dave Gavitt lived when he created the league and there was no reason to uproot his family at that point. Mike Tranghese was his assistant when he took over, and also lived in Providence, so why uproot his family at that point? Same thing when Marinatto was promoted from assistant commissioner to the top job.

Now things have changed and there will probably be a huge shake-up within the Big East staff, so yes, next summer would be a great time to move Big East headquarters closer to New York City. I say next summer because they will need time to break the new lease which was signed not too long ago. But the Big East doesn't have to move to Manhattan. Stamford, close to the new NBC Sports headquarters, offers easy commuter rail access to New York City. Newark, Jersey City, or even Hoboken also work if proximity to the airports is deemed important.

Yeah Manhattan is a mad house and cost of living is outrageous.

I can see both sides. On one hand, keeping the conference office in Providence is properly respectful to tradition and the role played by founding members. On the other, are the obvious advantages of image and media to be had in New York, plus making a statement that this will be a NEW Big East. I lean toward the latter.

"Stamford, close to the new NBC Sports headquarters" makes a lot of sense.