New Big Commisioner, why is their no chatter? Is it because no really qualified people are interested, or is it nobody on the search committee can agree?

(06-26-2012 08:22 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  New Big Commisioner, why is their no chatter? Is it because no really qualified people are interested, or is it nobody on the search committee can agree?

Or search committees can keep their mouths shut. As an example, no one heard anything about the Memphis AD search publicly until it was announced. Some of us heard some things privately but they were never made public.

Wilkie - if the Big East knows what they're doing, the process *should* be confidential. I wouldn't take the lack of any public comments to mean anything.

Exactly. Searches conducted by private professional firms are ALWAYS confidential. They seem to have a better track record of keeping quiet, than do athletic departments and conference offices, lol.

During the Memphis AD search, I had a first-hand contact who was one of the finalists who were interviewed in Dallas by the search firm. He was friends with the owner of the search firm, and even he did not know who all the other candidates were. In fact, he did not know how any of the other candidates fared in their interviews, even though he talked to the owner, both before and after all the interviews.

So, if you're looking for any announcements about names, or anything else, you're going to be disappointed.

Nobody had Bob Bowlsby as even a serious candidate for the XII job until the morning of the day it was announced, and the XII was very tight-lipped about the finalists for the job even with the media all over the place speculating on various candidates. The Big East had a pretty good short list of candidates when they canned Marinatto, but I doubt anyone is identified until August.

I guess I am just preplexed by:

1) No TV contract
2) No commissioner
3) No assurance that we will remain a power Conference
4) Not having our own BCS bowl oportunity
5) The Boise issues
6) The continual media attack
7) The appearance that New Big East is just looking like one cluster #uck!

I tell you, if we truely have really access to the four team playoff and just not token access, then I am good with Louisville staying. However, there is still all the above to consider right now.

(06-26-2012 08:46 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I guess I am just preplexed by:

1) No TV contract
2) No commissioner
3) No assurance that we will remain a power Conference
4) Not having our own BCS bowl oportunity
5) The Boise issues
6) The continual media attack
7) The appearance that New Big East is just looking like one cluster #uck!

I tell you, if we truely have really access to the four team playoff and just not token access, then I am good with Louisville staying. However, there is still all the above to consider right now.

Patience, Daniel-san

1) There's been lots of talk about it and several articles, but they can't even start negotiations until September 1 with ESPN and November 1 with anyone else.
2) See post above - this is rather typical and this is such a critical hire, I don't want to have a rush to judgement, even if it's Kevin Weiberg
3) Even if the BE had Chuck Neinas or Mike Slive, I don't know if that would continue anyway.
4) That can change. The Bowls will start their negotiations, too, but probably after the BCS TV deal begins negotiations in Sept.
5) Boise is an issue that should be discussed. Not sure why the silence on this. Previous chatter in April and May was met quickly with strong denials. Not the case this week.
6) AMEN.
7) While I agree, I think it's better than the murky silence is indicating.

(06-26-2012 08:25 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Wilkie - if the Big East knows what they're doing, the process *should* be confidential. I wouldn't take the lack of any public comments to mean anything.

We all know Mizzou handled it brilliantly. How they still got their wishes is beyond me and speaks to the desperation of the SEC back then. Old news... I digress.

1. Everyone and their mother knows that the BE has to wait until the exclusive window for ESPN is over before a new contract can be signed.

2. The BE stated that a permanent commish won't be in until around August. That plus, of course the search is going to be quiet on purpose.

3. Concerning, but that has been an issue for years whether or it was warranted. BE was always seen a the least of the 6 major conferences.

4. A BCS bowl was nothing more than a pipe dream. Again, even in previous configurations, the conference and its members were unable to secure a major bowl tie-in. It certainly isn't a result of the incoming membership or situation. That was an issue since the start.

5. Boise certainly is concerning.

6. The media is annoying for sure. There is a distinct lack of using factual information when they trash the BE versus the ACC. Where the BE has consistently performed similarly or even slightly better than the ACC overall. And thus I wish media people from the BE would emphasize those facts.

7. That's just your opinion. Geography means nothing anymore and it isn't just the BE. We are not the first or only conference to expand outside of their footprint.

That's just your opinion. Geography means nothing anymore and it isn't just the BE. We are not the first or only conference to expand outside of their footprint.

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I liked NTMB's response to the geography "issue":
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-----This is just so much horsesh!t to begin with. Anyone criticizing the BIG EAST for adding western teams is just grasping at straws to find a reason to discredit or belittle the conference.

The facts are: Mizzou is NOT in the traditional Southeastern region of the US, neither is College Station, TX. Hell for that matter is Fayetteville, Arkansas in the SouthEAST or SouthWEST? They've been in both conferences.

The entire state of Utah is separated by the states of California and Nevada from the PACific ocean, yet no one questions Utah to the PAC12 based on geography.

The MWC just added Hawaii.
There are 2563.8 miles from San Diego and Providence.
There are 3,346.26 mi between Honolulu and Colorado Springs.
Where's the outcry?

If the ACC somehow managed to lure ND into their fold, would the media laugh at the inclusion of a team from INDIANA into the ATLANTIC COAST Conference? Hell no. They'd call it a coup and praise the commissioner.

To the Big12 and B1G (still a 10, homos) I say learn to count before you criticize US for a self-created geographical misnomer.

The only people who should be concerned AT ALL about geography in the Big East are the BIG EAST MEMBERS. And obviously we aren't that worried about it or the invites would've never been sent out, nor accepted.

The rest of the country can collectively lick my sack.

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(06-26-2012 09:21 AM)CougarTruth Wrote:  The MWC just added Hawaii.
There are 2563.8 miles from San Diego and Providence.
There are 3,346.26 mi between Honolulu and Colorado Springs.
Where's the outcry?

Yeah but who doesn't want to travel to Hawaii once a year or every other year? Sounds like a doozy to me. Now flying out to Boise Idaho for a Volleyball meet from Cincinnati? Thanks but no thanks.

They just put together a search committee, still to early for any serious candidates.

(06-26-2012 08:46 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I guess I am just preplexed by:

1) No TV contract
2) No commissioner
3) No assurance that we will remain a power Conference
4) Not having our own BCS bowl oportunity
5) The Boise issues
6) The continual media attack
7) The appearance that New Big East is just looking like one cluster #uck!
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You are easily perplexed.
Can be no contract until fall.
Just got started on commish.
We are officially no longer part of big 6.
We will be just one step above CUSA/MWC. on bowl games.
Boise will be done this weekend.
media will continue it's assault no matter what BE does.
The BE is one cluster #uck!

And Louisville is a proud member of it.

(06-26-2012 08:46 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I guess I am just preplexed by:

1) No TV contract
2) No commissioner
3) No assurance that we will remain a power Conference
4) Not having our own BCS bowl oportunity
5) The Boise issues
6) The continual media attack
7) The appearance that New Big East is just looking like one cluster #uck!

I tell you, if we truely have really access to the four team playoff and just not token access, then I am good with Louisville staying. However, there is still all the above to consider right now.

1) No TV contract

We have a TV contract and we can't even start discussing our next contract on the open market until after ESPN gets their window of exclusivity this Fall.

2) No commissioner

Successful searches are never vetted publicly. The moment they do its signs that they are not going well. See the Hobbit Friar boy. There was no news for months after Trangheses retired. It was only time had passed that we started hearing whispers that they were looking at internal candidates and became the worst kept secret that Marrianto was going to take over. We all know what happened there....but our Presidents let this happen not the media, fans or other conferences.


3) No assurance that we will remain a power Conference

Not sure how a new commish would fix this since its market forces that is driving realignment, TV contracts and revenue sharing. If we ever stablize nBE 3.0 it could be a nice conference and should be able to put a couple quality teams every year that can compete with anyone. We'll never have the depth of the SEC in terms of quality teams but we have programs with potential to be national programs.


4) Not having our own BCS bowl opportunity

The bottom line is that none of the proposed 6 proposed BCS bowls will want to get 'stuck' with the ACC or BigEast. The Orange Bowl is not yet sold or publicly committed to keeping the ACC as a long-term anchor conference so its not like the BigEast is going to be alone in this situation.


5) The Boise issues

This situation is still playing itself out. Plus I am sure that in reviewing all the contingencies the Big East must have listed Boise's other sports as a potential problem. I am neutral on Boise. It's a great upstart program but with the death of AQ status and their remoteness compared to the rest of the league I am not sure how stable of an arrangement this is long-term if BSU can't find a good home for their Olympic sports.



6) The continual media attack

What could the BE effectively do other than win more games? It's not like the new commish can issue an edict to the media, blogosphere et al to 'stop being mean to the Big East'. The other thing to think about is that the media loves to attack the big east b/c they perceive the league...fairly or not....as undeserving of AQ status. However with AQ status no longer in existence anything we do will be "EARNED" through a team having an undefeated season and hopefully some quality OOC victories along the way. If anything else the Big East champion may be seen much like the Cinderella story such as TCU or Boise were out of the MWC. IMO, the ACC may soon become the media's new whipping boy, especially since most of the big programs are rumored to be wanting to jump ship to other conferences. Sound Familiar?



7) The appearance that New Big East is just looking like one cluster #uck!

The original Big East looked like a cluster. Big East 2.0 was much of the same and nBE 3.0 is being talked about like its dead much like the first two iterations.....yet the league finds a way.



I tell you, if we truely have really access to the four team playoff and just not token access, then I am good with Louisville staying. However, there is still all the above to consider right now


Honestly, we will have as much access as we have had in the past or deserved. We've been close three times in getting our champion into the MNC game with Cincy, UL and WVU. Cincy's fate was out of their control but if UL and WVU would have won games they were favorites in they would have gone to the big dance. So again, we'll likely need an undefeated champion but we will get as much access as we have in the past. Plus if we ever get "screwed" by the selection committee we will likely have the media for us instead of against us. That is just how the media works...

The only real issue is how revenue is shared. If the Big East is not viewed as an equal or at least close to what the Big 4/5 are getting then you will start seeing the league marginalized as perception is turned into reality. Hard to compete nationally when a traditionally terrible programs are bringing 4X as much revenue. The revenue distribution model is the only thing that really matters or will change. Let's just see how it works out.....

Most in Louisville, UConn and Rutgers see it differently as did TCU, Pitt, Syracue and West Virginia. The only difference is Louisville, UConn and Rutgers are making the best of this as they can right now.

Wlikie....here is the difference between Cuse, WVU and TCU: those programs had real options. Nobody else in the Big East has a "commitable offer"....if you know what I mean. So folks can view their conference situation however they want but bellyaching about doesn't change things and just diminishes your current situation if you don't get the 'better offer' your school is looking for.

(06-26-2012 12:39 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Most in Louisville, UConn and Rutgers see it differently as did TCU, Pitt, Syracue and West Virginia. The only difference is Louisville, UConn and Rutgers are making the best of this as they can right now.

The only difference is that UL,UConn, Rutgers and all the others don't have an invite anywhereelse.
We get it. It would be a better deal being in one f the other five conferences,but many of the issues you mention as have been answered are not really applicable.