(06-25-2012 09:54 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:47 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:19 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:12 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Most of Arizona Immigration Law falls, but provision that allows Police to check the legal status of anyone arrested for any crime before they can be released is OK

Opinion:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11p...82b5e1.pdf

Thursday will be fun!

So basically, we will see more hispanics being arrested just so they can check to see if they are illegal

Simple solution, don't do anything to get arrested for. Are you really trying to say AZ shouldn't be able to check the immigration status of criminals?

If only your "simple solution" was so simple. Of course my point(which went right over your head) was that they will find something that MOST people are not arrested for(or just make up ****) just to check their papers. My point was you will see more latinos being arrested for the sole reason of checking their papers.

It didn't go over my head. You are implying that all AZ law enforcement is "dirty". I'm sure there may be a few cases that people are unjustly pulled over and possibly arrested, but there's no reason to suspect AZ law enforcement will abuse the law.

Heard something interesting... Health Care Law Opinion could be as long as 180 pages long, based upon the three issues submitted for Oral Argument.

This ruling is a massive victory for the Obama campaign. The AZ law was stripped of any meaningful power, but the main facet of the law that most angers Latinos was left in place. It's an all-around win in terms of the election.

(06-25-2012 10:47 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Heard something interesting... Health Care Law Opinion could be as long as 180 pages long, based upon the three issues submitted for Oral Argument.

Do you think that means they're fully explaining why they're shooting it down? I mean, it Obamacare is ruled to be constitutional they wouldn't need to say much more than it's constitutional.

(06-25-2012 10:02 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:59 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:12 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Most of Arizona Immigration Law falls, but provision that allows Police to check the legal status of anyone arrested for any crime before they can be released is OK
Opinion:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11p...82b5e1.pdf

Thursday will be fun!

So what do the police do with them after they are found to be here illegally? Hold them for ICE?

Shooting them is the NRA nutjob answer.

Show how little you know about the NRA. Risking the chance of derailing this thread I have a question for you Robert.

Would you rather have a gun and not need it, or need it and not have one?

(06-25-2012 10:49 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's an all-around win in terms of the election.

At least until the videos of of ICE officials telling AZ law enforcement, "Thanks, but no thanks.' when they turn over illegals start turning up on the internet.

(06-25-2012 10:49 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This ruling is a massive victory for the Obama campaign. The AZ law was stripped of any meaningful power, but the main facet of the law that most angers Latinos was left in place. It's an all-around win in terms of the election.

If ICE doesnt put immigration holds on prisoners, then I can see Arizona Courts imposing high bonds on illegal aliens in Misdemeanor cases, since by definition they are a "flight risk".

Might cause some overcrowding in Jail, but my buddy Sheriff Joe has plenty of room for more tents.

(06-25-2012 10:52 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:02 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:59 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:12 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Most of Arizona Immigration Law falls, but provision that allows Police to check the legal status of anyone arrested for any crime before they can be released is OK
Opinion:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11p...82b5e1.pdf

Thursday will be fun!

So what do the police do with them after they are found to be here illegally? Hold them for ICE?

Shooting them is the NRA nutjob answer.

Show how little you know about the NRA. Risking the chance of derailing this thread I have a question for you Robert.

Would you rather have a gun and not need it, or need it and not have one?

I don't need a gun and I don't fear society unlike you.

(06-25-2012 12:13 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:52 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:02 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:59 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:12 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Most of Arizona Immigration Law falls, but provision that allows Police to check the legal status of anyone arrested for any crime before they can be released is OK
Opinion:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11p...82b5e1.pdf

Thursday will be fun!

So what do the police do with them after they are found to be here illegally? Hold them for ICE?

Shooting them is the NRA nutjob answer.

Show how little you know about the NRA. Risking the chance of derailing this thread I have a question for you Robert.

Would you rather have a gun and not need it, or need it and not have one?

I don't need a gun and I don't fear society unlike you.

I'd like to see how long you survive if you woke up one day and there weren't any grocery stores. I'm sure by day 4 or 5 without food you wouldn't mind having a gun so that you could hunt.

I don't fear society. I've pulled a gun on exactly one person in defense of the woman that eventually became my wife. I'd be very suprised if that person tried to climb through anymore bedroom windows at 5am after having a .45 shoved in his face.

I'm sure that the parents of the 14 year old that shot an intruder while babysitting his siblings doesn't fear society either. If you had it your way there wouldn't have been a gun in the house and there would probably be 3 kidnapped children though.

(06-25-2012 10:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:54 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:47 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:19 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:12 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Most of Arizona Immigration Law falls, but provision that allows Police to check the legal status of anyone arrested for any crime before they can be released is OK

Opinion:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11p...82b5e1.pdf

Thursday will be fun!

So basically, we will see more hispanics being arrested just so they can check to see if they are illegal

Simple solution, don't do anything to get arrested for. Are you really trying to say AZ shouldn't be able to check the immigration status of criminals?

If only your "simple solution" was so simple. Of course my point(which went right over your head) was that they will find something that MOST people are not arrested for(or just make up ****) just to check their papers. My point was you will see more latinos being arrested for the sole reason of checking their papers.

It didn't go over my head. You are implying that all AZ law enforcement is "dirty". I'm sure there may be a few cases that people are unjustly pulled over and possibly arrested, but there's no reason to suspect AZ law enforcement will abuse the law.

Yeah, there is no reason. I mean other than the state is run by people who would do exactly that!

(06-25-2012 12:32 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:54 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:47 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:19 AM)RobertN Wrote:  So basically, we will see more hispanics being arrested just so they can check to see if they are illegal

Simple solution, don't do anything to get arrested for. Are you really trying to say AZ shouldn't be able to check the immigration status of criminals?

If only your "simple solution" was so simple. Of course my point(which went right over your head) was that they will find something that MOST people are not arrested for(or just make up ****) just to check their papers. My point was you will see more latinos being arrested for the sole reason of checking their papers.

It didn't go over my head. You are implying that all AZ law enforcement is "dirty". I'm sure there may be a few cases that people are unjustly pulled over and possibly arrested, but there's no reason to suspect AZ law enforcement will abuse the law.

Yeah, there is no reason. I mean other than the state is run by people who would do exactly that!

You mean that they were trying to enforce the federal law that the DOJ had refused to enforce? If you call that abusing the law then I guess you are right.
I really cant fathom why liberals feel like it's just and fair to simply disregard laws that they disagree with.

(06-25-2012 12:19 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 12:13 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:52 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:02 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 09:59 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  So what do the police do with them after they are found to be here illegally? Hold them for ICE?

Shooting them is the NRA nutjob answer.

Show how little you know about the NRA. Risking the chance of derailing this thread I have a question for you Robert.

Would you rather have a gun and not need it, or need it and not have one?

I don't need a gun and I don't fear society unlike you.

I'd like to see how long you survive if you woke up one day and there weren't any grocery stores. I'm sure by day 4 or 5 without food you wouldn't mind having a gun so that you could hunt.

I don't fear society. I've pulled a gun on exactly one person in defense of the woman that eventually became my wife. I'd be very suprised if that person tried to climb through anymore bedroom windows at 5am after having a .45 shoved in his face.

I'm sure that the parents of the 14 year old that shot an intruder while babysitting his siblings doesn't fear society either. If you had it your way there wouldn't have been a gun in the house and there would probably be 3 kidnapped children though.

Um, no grocery stores? I don't think you could make a more assinine comparison than that. Also, despite your denying it, you fear society. Actually, I would maybe even argue you fear life.

You do realize, Robert... That being here illegally is a crime, right? I assume you want crimes against the united states prosecuted, right?

There are plenty if laws I disagree with... And believe should be changed... But until they are, I will pay the price for breaking those laws. You've created a straw man of "brown people" who are under suspicion if committing a crime being checked to see if there are any other crimes they have committed. This happens to you every time you get pulled over for an inspection sticker or speeding or whatever.

You want to stop the persecution of legal "brown people" then enforce the border so we have much less reason to suspect someone here who doesnt speak english or without a license on them. If illegals were more of an exception, we wouldn't worry about them... But we're talking perhaps 10% of our population... And perhaps 1/3 of the Latino population being criminals

(06-25-2012 12:37 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 12:19 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 12:13 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:52 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 10:02 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Shooting them is the NRA nutjob answer.

Show how little you know about the NRA. Risking the chance of derailing this thread I have a question for you Robert.

Would you rather have a gun and not need it, or need it and not have one?

I don't need a gun and I don't fear society unlike you.

I'd like to see how long you survive if you woke up one day and there weren't any grocery stores. I'm sure by day 4 or 5 without food you wouldn't mind having a gun so that you could hunt.

I don't fear society. I've pulled a gun on exactly one person in defense of the woman that eventually became my wife. I'd be very suprised if that person tried to climb through anymore bedroom windows at 5am after having a .45 shoved in his face.

I'm sure that the parents of the 14 year old that shot an intruder while babysitting his siblings doesn't fear society either. If you had it your way there wouldn't have been a gun in the house and there would probably be 3 kidnapped children though.

Um, no grocery stores? I don't think you could make a more assinine comparison than that. Also, despite your denying it, you fear society. Actually, I would maybe even argue you fear life.

Grocery stores have at most 3 days food. Is it a far-fetched thing to suggest they may run out of food? Sure, but not impossible.
What makes you think I fear life? The fact that I know how to use a firearm to provide for myself and defend myself?
You are completely ignorant if you think a country where private citizens don't own firearms is better than one where they do.

I believe its much more likely that you fear those that are more capable in life than you are. Your insistance that I fear society or life itself is merely a prejection of your own fears on others to make you feel better about yourself.

(06-25-2012 12:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  You do realize, Robert... That being here illegally is a crime, right? I assume you want crimes against the united states prosecuted, right?

There are plenty if laws I disagree with... And believe should be changed... But until they are, I will pay the price for breaking those laws. You've created a straw man of "brown people" who are under suspicion if committing a crime being checked to see if there are any other crimes they have committed. This happens to you every time you get pulled over for an inspection sticker or speeding or whatever.

You want to stop the persecution of legal "brown people" then enforce the border so we have much less reason to suspect someone here who doesnt speak english or without a license on them. If illegals were more of an exception, we wouldn't worry about them... But we're talking perhaps 10% of our population... And perhaps 1/3 of the Latino population being criminals

So everytime you get pulled over you have to show you are a legal citizen?

(06-25-2012 12:45 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I believe its much more likely that you fear those that are more capable in life than you are. Your insistance that I fear society or life itself is merely a prejection of your own fears on others to make you feel better about yourself.

Maybe Rob's aspiration in life is to become a statistic. Shot in the @ss while his head was in the sand.

(06-25-2012 01:17 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 12:45 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I believe its much more likely that you fear those that are more capable in life than you are. Your insistance that I fear society or life itself is merely a prejection of your own fears on others to make you feel better about yourself.

Maybe Rob's aspiration in life is to become a statistic. Shot in the @ss while his head was in the sand.

I am not all that worried about getting shot(You are. Which is why I say you rightwingers are scared of society and life) and my head is not in the sand.

(06-25-2012 12:13 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I don't need a gun and I don't fear society unlike you.

Go to Watts or Harlem at 2:00am and then tell me if you still feel the same way. If you say you weren't scared, I'm going to call BS on you. If you say you were scared, I'm going to call you a stereotyping, profiling racist.

Trust me, you will be scared.

(06-25-2012 01:24 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I am not all that worried about getting shot(You are. Which is why I say you rightwingers are scared of society and life) and my head is not in the sand.

Where do you get the idea that I'm scared of getting shot? Project much?

(06-25-2012 01:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 12:13 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I don't need a gun and I don't fear society unlike you.

Go to Watts or Harlem at 2:00am and then tell me if you still feel the same way. If you say you weren't scared, I'm going to call BS on you. If you say you were scared, I'm going to call you a stereotyping, profiling racist.

Trust me, you will be scared.

Oooh.... black people late at night... could there be anything scarier to a right-winger?

I've been to Harlem late at night. We had a great time. You need to let go of your racist stereotypes and fears.