One other point. McMurphy's "Industry Sources" are within the MWC, not at Boise. MWC sources wouldn't be biased would they?

Boise gave the BWC until the 29th to give an answer, not the 30th. I'm starting to think if Boise gets a no, they might postpone their entry a year, to find another alternative. Otherwise, they wouldn't be fooling around with these deadlines.

We could play with 11 for a year, or invite somebody else to join early. I still say they could go indy temporarily, or join the Summit League, but who knows?

And yes, we could dump SDSU, or vice versa, according to the contract, but I have no idea where that would stand. I imagine SDSU would come anyway.

(06-22-2012 08:33 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  I tend to wonder if this is a ploy to get a Big East all sports invite for Boise.

Last I heard (and on this end, I do think it was shortly after the invite last year), Kustra had NO interest in an all sports invite. I think he knows that just isn't feasible.

I may, however, be a ploy to get the BE to invite more Western members. Can't imagine Boise was thrilled when Memphis was invited and not another Western school.

(06-22-2012 08:51 PM)Dimwhit Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:33 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  I tend to wonder if this is a ploy to get a Big East all sports invite for Boise.

Last I heard (and on this end, I do think it was shortly after the invite last year), Kustra had NO interest in an all sports invite. I think he knows that just isn't feasible.

I may, however, be a ploy to get the BE to invite more Western members. Can't imagine Boise was thrilled when Memphis was invited and not another Western school.

Memphis? What about Temple, which was after that?

At least Memphis is in the middle of the country.

(06-22-2012 08:51 PM)Dimwhit Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:33 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  I tend to wonder if this is a ploy to get a Big East all sports invite for Boise.

Last I heard (and on this end, I do think it was shortly after the invite last year), Kustra had NO interest in an all sports invite. I think he knows that just isn't feasible.

I may, however, be a ploy to get the BE to invite more Western members. Can't imagine Boise was thrilled when Memphis was invited and not another Western school.

I really don't think it's about the Big East at all. This is about Boise's non-football sports. I really don't think that Boise thought that the non-football sports situation would turn out like this at all. The WAC is on the precipice of death, the Big West won't return Boise's phone calls and the Big Sky even seemed to take a hard line against a Boise membership (although the feeling might be mutual). Downgrading non-football sports in exchange for an upgrade in football was acceptable, but totally killing them is another matter.

I think Boise State will end up in the Big East, but they can't commit until they have absolute clarity about non-football sports.

I would do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get Boise in for 2013, then invite Fresno.

The eastern teams would be happy with:

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Cincinnati
Louisville
USF
UCF

And the western teams would be happy with:

Memphis
SMU
Houston
Boise
Fresno
SDSU
Navy

We'll have a stable, 14 school conference. And then we can wait out Air Force & BYU. If (when) they come on board, Memphis shifts to the east.

(06-22-2012 08:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:51 PM)Dimwhit Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:33 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  I tend to wonder if this is a ploy to get a Big East all sports invite for Boise.

Last I heard (and on this end, I do think it was shortly after the invite last year), Kustra had NO interest in an all sports invite. I think he knows that just isn't feasible.

I may, however, be a ploy to get the BE to invite more Western members. Can't imagine Boise was thrilled when Memphis was invited and not another Western school.

Memphis? What about Temple, which was after that?

At least Memphis is in the middle of the country.

Yea, I think Boise and SDSU had some idea they were on deck or could be, and understand a big reason they were added (bball).

And, I think all of us that have gone through expansurbation the last 3 summers can connect some dots, make some logical leaps, etc, but, the Big West seems to be playing a completely different game than the rest of us - hell, who knows that if SDSU and Fresno came giving them a tent pole in the south and central part of the states that they wouldn't still extort or say FU to Boise? Hell, Long Beach voted against SDSU and we dramatically improve their standing in the highest profile sport for everyone else that they sponsor - the baseball schools might vote against Fresno because they are good at baseball like long beach voted against sdsu

I think they'll get in, too.

Seriously, what's up with the BWC, are they california dreaming or what? Not that I know much about them or California... but adding two fairly well recognized schools like SDSU and BSU has to be a win for them. If they really want SDSU bad enough, can't SDSU drop a hammer to fix this? I can't believe, after everything us nBE fans have been through, our stability (so close) is being held up by the BWC????

That said, no way BSU backs out of the big east. Period. It would be a very stupid drop from the clear second tier way back to the third tier. Say what you want about the nBE/ACC level of things, it sits waaaaaaay higher than the nCUSA/nMWC level. And BSU knows that.

Quote:COMMUTER BOB wrote: Really the only new news in this article is the WAC is looking to actually add CSU-Bakersfield, Utah Valley, and possibly UT-Pan American.

These are the 3 schools that I have been saying all along that the WAC should invite to create a good non football conference. If the WAC did that, Boise St would be set.

Boise St
Cal St Bakersfield
Denver
Idaho
New Mexico St
Seattle
Texas Pan American
Utah Valley

There are 2 other Great West members that the WAC might also have to take, Chicago St and NJIT. If they have to take them to keep the WAC afloat then the WAC should do so.

(06-22-2012 06:40 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yep, Boise is waiting to hear from the Big West...Boise just wants to keep their options open while they decide if they are getting in the Big West or will be forced to try and save the WAC/join the Big Sky/Summit Leage/whatever.

BSU has told the Big West they have to have an answer by the 30th...question is, will the Big West try and wait til the last day (i hope not)

Sorry makes no sense? What does WAC/BW/ or any other non-football conference have to do with them #1)Putting in official notice that they are leaving the MWC!!! #2) BSU continuing talks to stay in the MWC.

(06-22-2012 07:14 PM)k5james Wrote:  If we don't start hearing something next week it will be time to panic.

I think you're right BSU still has up to June 30th 11:59 PM ... just makes you wonder why they would wait so long if they were determined to leave the MWC to give their notice.

(06-22-2012 10:17 PM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:14 PM)k5james Wrote:  If we don't start hearing something next week it will be time to panic.

... just makes you wonder why they would wait so long if they were determined to leave the MWC to give their notice.

It's simple. There is no long-term solution to Boise State's oly sports, really not even a short-term solution either. The Big East could solve this problem tomorrow if they wanted to by inviting Fresno State. Without AQ being a consideration, I honestly wonder if the Big East gives a chit about Boise State anymore.

(06-22-2012 10:58 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 10:17 PM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:14 PM)k5james Wrote:  If we don't start hearing something next week it will be time to panic.

... just makes you wonder why they would wait so long if they were determined to leave the MWC to give their notice.

It's simple. There is no long-term solution to Boise State's oly sports, really not even a short-term solution either. The Big East could solve this problem tomorrow if they wanted to by inviting Fresno State. Without AQ being a consideration, I honestly wonder if the Big East gives a chit about Boise State anymore.

The Big West apparantly would like Fresno. Theres nothing that would lead anyone to believe they would have any interest in Fresno if it meant taking Boise. Theres simply something seriously wrong with the Big West thinking. Ive never seen a conference balk at adding teams that increase the quality and public profile of thier conference. Honestly, I think they would ask Notre Dame for freakin travel subsidies. Just add Boise as an all sports member and lets move on.

As a Boise St alum and fan, I'm starting to get a little worried now. I have faith in Kustra, but leaving this till the last minute can NOT be a good sign (IMHO). Please don't take us back to the MWC!!!

As has been mentioned before, if the Big East invited Fresno, the WAC could rebuild if San Diego State would sacrifice for the bigger picture and agree to come over so as to have:

Idaho
New Mexico State
Seattle
Denver
Boise State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Utah Valley State

That said, I don't think SDSU would ever move into the WAC except by gunpoint. Who could blame 'em?

(06-22-2012 10:58 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Without AQ being a consideration, I honestly wonder if the Big East gives a chit about Boise State anymore.

Yeah, I sort of wonder the same thing. If Boise doesn't come, the BE can blow off SDSU, as well. Maybe they'd rather do that than try to make this coast-to-coast thing work.

(06-22-2012 11:20 PM)Dimwhit Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 10:58 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Without AQ being a consideration, I honestly wonder if the Big East gives a chit about Boise State anymore.

Yeah, I sort of wonder the same thing. If Boise doesn't come, the BE can blow off SDSU, as well. Maybe they'd rather do that than try to make this coast-to-coast thing work.

Sure seems to be the vibe doesn't it! Without the AQ factor, Boise State really don't bring much to the table for the Big East other than a football brand.

(06-22-2012 11:20 PM)Dimwhit Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 10:58 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Without AQ being a consideration, I honestly wonder if the Big East gives a chit about Boise State anymore.

Yeah, I sort of wonder the same thing. If Boise doesn't come, the BE can blow off SDSU, as well. Maybe they'd rather do that than try to make this coast-to-coast thing work.

The problem is the coast to coast thing is a big part of the percieved value in the New Big East. New markets, new time slots, expanded footprint in high population states like Texas and Cali. Dump SDSU, Boise, and BYU and you pick up small market ECU, S Miss, and Marshall (?)---you are looking at a more regional conference with less recognizable names and likely a more regional pay check. If the money is not there, are Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU, and S Miss--- all looking at 7 million dollar exit fees---such a sure thing?

(06-22-2012 11:24 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 11:20 PM)Dimwhit Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 10:58 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Without AQ being a consideration, I honestly wonder if the Big East gives a chit about Boise State anymore.

Yeah, I sort of wonder the same thing. If Boise doesn't come, the BE can blow off SDSU, as well. Maybe they'd rather do that than try to make this coast-to-coast thing work.

Sure seems to be the vibe doesn't it! Without the AQ factor, Boise State really don't bring much to the table for the Big East other than a football brand.

Thats kind of like saying, well, other than a football brand, Oklahoma really doesnt bring much to the table for the Big 12. Being a football brand is pretty darn valuable.