So in other words the Big 12 is trying to play a little game called "just the tip" with ND?

(06-20-2012 04:37 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, the rumor in Louisville is that Notre Dame's NBC Football Contract expires in 2015. We have heard that's when Notre Dame will start playing Big 12 Football. The Big 12 Northern Division could be:

West Virginia
Louisville
Notre Dame
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

This makes a nice geography fit.

Are you going to spam the forum again with UL to the B12 by end of June posts?

(06-20-2012 05:00 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 04:37 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, the rumor in Louisville is that Notre Dame's NBC Football Contract expires in 2015. We have heard that's when Notre Dame will start playing Big 12 Football. The Big 12 Northern Division could be:

West Virginia
Louisville
Notre Dame
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

This makes a nice geography fit.

Are you going to spam the forum again with UL to the B12 by end of June posts?

Probably. And if it doesn't come to fruition, he'll look like a fool yet again. Sorry, Wilkie. I like you and all, but you like to write checks (verbal checks about relocating to the Big 12) that have been known to bounce since Louisville won't cash them. Frankly, it makes you look bad.

(06-20-2012 04:43 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So, if ND leaves the BE, is this the start of the split of the BB/OLY schools from the all sports schools? will say Marquette, Depaul be invited for a BB/oly big 12 to help improve the BB side, leaving the Big12 at 10 FB members. Or do say FSU, Clemson and some combination of UL,UC, BYU(FB) join them in the Big 12.
Looks like Stability is going out the window once again . interesting times coming again!

I went to DePaul for law school with an affinity for them, and even I would say that the Big 12 would have been eating paint chips to invite them as a non-football member. ND is special (whether we like them or not) and the Big Ten showed that 11 schools could work for scheduling. 11 was a pain for football, but didn't really matter much for the other sports.

The important pointhere, Notre Dame talking about leaving, just shows how fragile and unstable the Big East is right now.

(06-20-2012 05:15 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The important pointhere, Notre Dame talking about leaving, just shows how fragile and unstable the Big East is right now.

I don't think so. This is just Notre Dame flexing its muscles. Even if UConn, Rutgers and Louisville were to all leave the Big East, the remaining schools aren't going anymore. ND leaving by itself certainly doesn't mean anything about what the other schools are doing (or not doing).

(06-20-2012 05:15 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The important pointhere, Notre Dame talking about leaving, just shows how fragile and unstable the Big East is right now.

That's hilarious. HAs it ever been stable?

(06-20-2012 05:15 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The important pointhere, Notre Dame talking about leaving, just shows how fragile and unstable the Big East is right now.

Uh huh. We're all going to curl up in a fetal position now and cry because one of our olympics-only members 'might' leave us. Soooooo fragile!!!

1.Makes Zero sense for the Irish to move any sports to Big 12 over Big 10. Have you been to South Bend? The total landscape there is Big 10. If Big East loses ND Olympic sports it won't be to Big 12.

2. Chip Brown is a clueless douchebag (rubber bag with a hose that hangs in the shower) and shill for Deloss Dodds. The truth appears only occasionally and coincidentally in his musings.

If they stay, great...

If they leave, holla...

Let's get this show on the road.

Out of the places for Notre Dame to play is olympic sports the Big 12 would be about the fourth best fit. The ACC and Big Ten if on the table would be smarter moves. The Big East still gives the Irish's olympic sports an equal home to any major conference.

Only thing I hope out of this is for BE schools to retain each own's tier-3 rights. If BE can give ND that for its Irish Network, it is good news for schools like UCONN.

(06-20-2012 05:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 05:15 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The important pointhere, Notre Dame talking about leaving, just shows how fragile and unstable the Big East is right now.

I don't think so. This is just Notre Dame flexing its muscles. Even if UConn, Rutgers and Louisville were to all leave the Big East, the remaining schools aren't going anymore. ND leaving by itself certainly doesn't mean anything about what the other schools are doing (or not doing).

How is ND flexing its muscles? They haven't said a word about this yet. It's all coming from the B12, so far. I'll believe something is up when ND says it is considering it, or it's going to make the jump.

(06-20-2012 06:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 05:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 05:15 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The important pointhere, Notre Dame talking about leaving, just shows how fragile and unstable the Big East is right now.

I don't think so. This is just Notre Dame flexing its muscles. Even if UConn, Rutgers and Louisville were to all leave the Big East, the remaining schools aren't going anymore. ND leaving by itself certainly doesn't mean anything about what the other schools are doing (or not doing).

How is ND flexing its muscles? They haven't said a word about this yet. It's all coming from the B12, so far. I'll believe something is up when ND says it is considering it, or it's going to make the jump.

ND AD Swarbrick say nope.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...1897.story

(06-20-2012 04:37 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, the rumor in Louisville is that Notre Dame's NBC Football Contract expires in 2015. We have heard that's when Notre Dame will start playing Big 12 Football. The Big 12 Northern Division could be:

West Virginia
Louisville
Notre Dame
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

This makes a nice geography fit.

Wilkie:

There is talk that NBC will renew that contract at $20-24 million per year.

(06-20-2012 06:44 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 06:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 05:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 05:15 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The important pointhere, Notre Dame talking about leaving, just shows how fragile and unstable the Big East is right now.

I don't think so. This is just Notre Dame flexing its muscles. Even if UConn, Rutgers and Louisville were to all leave the Big East, the remaining schools aren't going anymore. ND leaving by itself certainly doesn't mean anything about what the other schools are doing (or not doing).

How is ND flexing its muscles? They haven't said a word about this yet. It's all coming from the B12, so far. I'll believe something is up when ND says it is considering it, or it's going to make the jump.

ND AD Swarbrick say nope.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...1897.story

Wilkie01 on suicide watch. Some of you UL fans better check on him to make sure he is ok.

(06-20-2012 07:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 04:37 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, the rumor in Louisville is that Notre Dame's NBC Football Contract expires in 2015. We have heard that's when Notre Dame will start playing Big 12 Football. The Big 12 Northern Division could be:

West Virginia
Louisville
Notre Dame
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

This makes a nice geography fit.

Wilkie:

There is talk that NBC will renew that contract at $20-24 million per year.

Yep and basketball will get $3M to $5M per school. That rumor has been around awhile now. I doubt NBC would want 6 B12 games on ND's schedule.

He's fine!

(06-20-2012 06:44 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 06:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 05:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 05:15 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The important pointhere, Notre Dame talking about leaving, just shows how fragile and unstable the Big East is right now.

I don't think so. This is just Notre Dame flexing its muscles. Even if UConn, Rutgers and Louisville were to all leave the Big East, the remaining schools aren't going anymore. ND leaving by itself certainly doesn't mean anything about what the other schools are doing (or not doing).

How is ND flexing its muscles? They haven't said a word about this yet. It's all coming from the B12, so far. I'll believe something is up when ND says it is considering it, or it's going to make the jump.

ND AD Swarbrick say nope.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...1897.story

Certainly sounds like they are seriously shopping around

(06-20-2012 04:57 PM)froginaustin Wrote:  If Notre Dame moves non-football sports to the Big Twelve, I assume it gets:

1. a safety net for its football, should membership in a top conference one day be necessary to maximize its football impact.

2. a conference that permits a ND network for its television tier 3 events.

3. more money from conference distributions.

4. an opportunity for recruiting exposure in the Texas and Southeastern recruiting areas (assuming Clemson & FSU join, too).

5. opportunity for access to better bowl games (and possibly easier access to whatever playoff system evolves).

6. if conference membership includes a football scheduling alliance with conference members, a higher-profile football conference.

Notre Dame would lose:

7. a conference home for men's soccer and men's and women's lacrosse (BE plays these, no? B12 does not).

8. some exposure in the Chicago and NYC markets.

9. less distant travel for non-football sports.

10. an opportunity to play conference benefactor to the smaller Catholic universities in the Big East.

Notre Dame would have a push, on:

11. it plays some obscure sports now, that aren't supported by either conference. No? So it would still need to find opponents outside of either conference.

No doubt I'm forgetting stuff that should be on the list.


OBVIOUSLY, these factors can't possibly have equal weight. I suspect that the pro-move factors have more weight than the anti-move factors, although #4 (exposure in Texas and the southeast) may not be worth as much to ND as they would be to some other programs. I don't know enough about internal politics within the Catholic Church to know whether or not #10 (protecting smaller Catholic universities, inside their conference) counts for anything or for a whole lot. Schools like Dayton, Xavier, LaSalle, and St. Louis U seem to do pretty well outside Notre Dame's basketball conference.

I don't know why you think the catholic schools need ND to "protect" them. Also about being small but SJU has been and still might be the largest catholic school in the country.