(06-19-2012 05:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:08 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 03:01 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 02:48 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  All this talk of CFLs & incandescents is meaningless because the future of lighting is LEDs.

Yes, once it's allowed to develop fully and without govt interference. If thrust upon the public now, much like solar energy, the cost would be astronomical. Ten years from now is a different story, and even then it may not be possible to retrofit current houses and lamps in every case. New homes and fixtures will be designed for LED, reducing the costs of the technology as its developed in a more standardized fashion.

Philips has a model that has the same base as other bulbs and lasts 25yrs.



http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-...ement-bulb

Those things list for nearly $50. And how do they know it will last for 25 years? Almost anything electrical with an on/off current rush dies much faster than that, even if the current draw is small. There is no more simple a circuit than a standard light bulb (it's a dead short) and they fail quite quickly - relatively speaking.

Agree, this technology is a new, twenty five years from depending on the failure rate, THEN they can make the claim.

LEDs are solid state electronics, really 25 years should be easy...

(06-19-2012 07:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:08 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 03:01 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Yes, once it's allowed to develop fully and without govt interference. If thrust upon the public now, much like solar energy, the cost would be astronomical. Ten years from now is a different story, and even then it may not be possible to retrofit current houses and lamps in every case. New homes and fixtures will be designed for LED, reducing the costs of the technology as its developed in a more standardized fashion.

Philips has a model that has the same base as other bulbs and lasts 25yrs.



http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-...ement-bulb

Those things list for nearly $50. And how do they know it will last for 25 years? Almost anything electrical with an on/off current rush dies much faster than that, even if the current draw is small. There is no more simple a circuit than a standard light bulb (it's a dead short) and they fail quite quickly - relatively speaking.

Agree, this technology is a new, twenty five years from depending on the failure rate, THEN they can make the claim.

LEDs are solid state electronics, really 25 years should be easy...

For a moment, let's assume you're correct. After the initial rush of people buying them, and they last for 25 years, where is the market for them after that?

(06-19-2012 07:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:08 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Philips has a model that has the same base as other bulbs and lasts 25yrs.



http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-...ement-bulb

Those things list for nearly $50. And how do they know it will last for 25 years? Almost anything electrical with an on/off current rush dies much faster than that, even if the current draw is small. There is no more simple a circuit than a standard light bulb (it's a dead short) and they fail quite quickly - relatively speaking.

Agree, this technology is a new, twenty five years from depending on the failure rate, THEN they can make the claim.

LEDs are solid state electronics, really 25 years should be easy...

For a moment, let's assume you're correct. After the initial rush of people buying them, and they last for 25 years, where is the market for them after that?

Do you think the number of lightbulbs on the earth is always the same? Do you think normal wear is the only reason a light ul. Fails?

(06-19-2012 07:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those things list for nearly $50. And how do they know it will last for 25 years? Almost anything electrical with an on/off current rush dies much faster than that, even if the current draw is small. There is no more simple a circuit than a standard light bulb (it's a dead short) and they fail quite quickly - relatively speaking.

Agree, this technology is a new, twenty five years from depending on the failure rate, THEN they can make the claim.

LEDs are solid state electronics, really 25 years should be easy...

For a moment, let's assume you're correct. After the initial rush of people buying them, and they last for 25 years, where is the market for them after that?

Do you think the number of lightbulbs on the earth is always the same? Do you think normal wear is the only reason a light ul. Fails?

I know what you mean, but companies gear up for a huge rush and after that they just do maintenance. If every car lasted 25 years it would hurt the industry. 25 years, think about it, that's almost the length of your mortgage. If you installed a bulb when your kid was born he'd be out of college when it theoritically failed.

Someone a little less lazy in their off time than me should compile a list of sh*t moonbats want to ban throughout the country. Should be quite extensive. Hell, those fruitcakes banned Happy Meals in San FranFreako.

(06-19-2012 08:41 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Someone a little less lazy in their off time than me should compile a list of sh*t moonbats want to ban throughout the country. Should be quite extensive. Hell, those fruitcakes banned Happy Meals in San FranFreako.

California:

Wood burning fireplaces
Guns
Fast food joints
Plastic bags
Transfat
Peanut butter in school snacks brought to school by the kids
God
Sodas in schools
Gas powered leaf blowers
The death penalty
Certain dry cleaning fluids
Spanking
Winning
Smoking (some places)
Ferrets
50 cal weapons - only 1 of 2 states to do so
Body armor for personal use
Self defense
The pledge of allegiance
Walmart stores ( some places)
High energy use televisions
Pit bulls ( some places)
High water usage toilets
Dark colored cars ( they tried)

I'm sure there's a lot more that loopy state banned.

(06-19-2012 02:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 02:38 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 01:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Dead serious. I changed out about 30 bulbs in my house. Its closer to 15% decrease with no other notable changes. I compared my bills to the same time last year, so other than a slight variation in temperature between last year and this year, it can only be attributed to the bulbs.

I'm fairly impressed. I would think the water heater/HVAC/wash machine/TV would be a much larger % of the electric bill.

Just my wife and I, the thermostat is set at 75, HE washer, energystar LCD TV. I bought contractor packs of the bulbs as lowes, about a $100 investment and its already paid for itself.

Too bad you didn't buy more. The Herd fan used to work for Lowes. He might still be working there if you bought more. Nevermind. You were right to not buy more.

(06-19-2012 07:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:26 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 05:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those things list for nearly $50. And how do they know it will last for 25 years? Almost anything electrical with an on/off current rush dies much faster than that, even if the current draw is small. There is no more simple a circuit than a standard light bulb (it's a dead short) and they fail quite quickly - relatively speaking.

Agree, this technology is a new, twenty five years from depending on the failure rate, THEN they can make the claim.

LEDs are solid state electronics, really 25 years should be easy...

For a moment, let's assume you're correct. After the initial rush of people buying them, and they last for 25 years, where is the market for them after that?

Do you think the number of lightbulbs on the earth is always the same? Do you think normal wear is the only reason a light ul. Fails?

Of course not. You continually break your light bulbs. You admitted in your other post.

(06-19-2012 09:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 08:41 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Someone a little less lazy in their off time than me should compile a list of sh*t moonbats want to ban throughout the country. Should be quite extensive. Hell, those fruitcakes banned Happy Meals in San FranFreako.

California:

Wood burning fireplaces
Guns
Fast food joints
Plastic bags
Transfat
Peanut butter in school snacks brought to school by the kids
God
Sodas in schools
Gas powered leaf blowers
The death penalty
Certain dry cleaning fluids
Spanking
Winning
Smoking (some places)
Ferrets
50 cal weapons - only 1 of 2 states to do so
Body armor for personal use
Self defense
The pledge of allegiance
Walmart stores ( some places)
High energy use televisions
Pit bulls ( some places)
High water usage toilets
Dark colored cars ( they tried)

I'm sure there's a lot more that loopy state banned.

Last night Tosh (on a extremely funny episode of Tosh.O) said they banned gerbils inferably because people like Richard Gere like sticking them in their butts a little too much.

(06-19-2012 07:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  LEDs are solid state electronics, really 25 years should be easy...

For a moment, let's assume you're correct. After the initial rush of people buying them, and they last for 25 years, where is the market for them after that?

It will be unending if BIE's kids get ahold of them!

(06-20-2012 08:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  LEDs are solid state electronics, really 25 years should be easy...

For a moment, let's assume you're correct. After the initial rush of people buying them, and they last for 25 years, where is the market for them after that?

It will be unending if BIE's kids get ahold of them!

lol... you have no idea...

But seriously they are solid state breaking an LED is *not* easy (though the connection hardware, that there is a different story)...

As someone alluded to earlier LED's do have some pretty big disadvantages. They are very picky about temperature and power features. You can make one to operate in very cold temperatures just fine but when its hot the devices efficiency can fall off a cliff.

Hard to believe that these things are as mature as they have become. Back when I was in school the *TRUE* deep blue and white LED's were pretty new (commercially). You could get by with the ones done by phospher but it was just not the same..

And these were *tiny* little LED's..

When did Obama sign an incandescent bulb ban?