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And debated and discarded as a bad idea.
06-14-2012 11:14 AM
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(06-14-2012 11:14 AM)Paul M Wrote:  And debated and discarded as a bad idea.
Sure it was-by tea baggers. Normal people would disagree.
06-14-2012 11:26 AM
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(06-14-2012 10:59 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Medicare is highly efficient and provides a great level of care. I have a major name insurance plan though my employer, but I would switch to Medicare in a heartbeat if it were an option, so would many other Americans which is why the insurance industry did everything they could to prevent a public option.

"Highly efficient" = $60 billion in annual fraud?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16...53974.html
06-14-2012 11:28 AM
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(06-14-2012 11:28 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
(06-14-2012 10:59 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Medicare is highly efficient and provides a great level of care. I have a major name insurance plan though my employer, but I would switch to Medicare in a heartbeat if it were an option, so would many other Americans which is why the insurance industry did everything they could to prevent a public option.

"Highly efficient" = $60 billion in annual fraud?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16...53974.html

Medicare controls costs almost 50% better than private insureres and has exponentially lower administrative costs. As for fraud, increased efforts by the DOJ and HHS have led to record recoveries and prosecutions of Medicare fraud. And the raw number is meaningless without private insurer fraud to compare, but that number is not available since private insurers have no incentive to accurately report that number.

Medicare is a vastly better option. You can squirm all you want but the proof is in the fact that insurance companies will kill themselves to stop the American people from having the choice to enroll in Medicare. They know they can't compete against it because it is a vastly superior product.
06-14-2012 11:41 AM
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RE: When do we get the Obamacare ruling?
(06-14-2012 11:28 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
(06-14-2012 10:59 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Medicare is highly efficient and provides a great level of care. I have a major name insurance plan though my employer, but I would switch to Medicare in a heartbeat if it were an option, so would many other Americans which is why the insurance industry did everything they could to prevent a public option.

"Highly efficient" = $60 billion in annual fraud?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16...53974.html

having treated thousands of medicare and medicaid patients over the years i have first hand knowledge of the insanity behind some things they dictate, and yes, i did say dictate.


here is a simple example of the insanity:

a patient with venous stasis disease develops a large wound on their leg, they get treatment at a local wound care center and it takes 3-6 months to heal the wound and costs thousands for the treatment. at the conclusion the patient needs compression stockings for the remainder of their life (or until they have a procedure, if applicable) to artificially compress their veins to prevent more large costly wounds from forming. MEDICARE WILL NOT PAY FOR THE STOCKINGS TO PREVENT THE WOUNDS. what happens? the patient goes and buys some crap over the counter product that lasts for a month, they break down again and have costly wounds again that take 6-9 months to heal this time, because the tissue is weaker because of the previous wound.

a custom stocking that costs 50-100 bucks could prevent the problem but they refuse to pay for them. instead they will pay for 6 months and 1000's of dollars of treatment.

efficient my effin ass
06-14-2012 11:46 AM
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(06-14-2012 11:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-14-2012 11:14 AM)Paul M Wrote:  And debated and discarded as a bad idea.
Sure it was-by tea baggers. Normal people would disagree.

Um, no, by Heritage Foundation.
06-14-2012 11:46 AM
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Medicare controlled costs nearly 50% better than private insurers over recent decades, but you're talking about compression stockings. Yet another painfully clear example of 1) me being right and 2) you being an idiot.
06-14-2012 11:55 AM
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(06-14-2012 11:55 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Medicare controlled costs nearly 50% better than private insurers over recent decades, but you're talking about compression stockings. Yet another painfully clear example of 1) me being right and 2) you being an idiot.



You have no clue what your talking about and that's clear by this post.

Stick to teaching make believe
06-14-2012 12:03 PM
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(06-14-2012 11:41 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Medicare controls costs almost 50% better than private insureres and has exponentially lower administrative costs.

Only because their administrative costs are shared with other agencies.

Quote:The Internal Revenue Service collects the taxes that fund the program; the Social Security Administration helps collect some of the premiums paid by beneficiaries (which are deducted from Social Security checks); the Department of Health and Human Services helps to manage accounting, auditing, and fraud issues and pays for marketing costs, building costs, and more. Private insurers obviously don’t have this kind of outside or off-budget help. Medicare’s administration is also tax-exempt, whereas insurers must pay state excise taxes on the premiums they charge; the tax is counted as an administrative cost.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/06...ive-costs/

UM2001GRAD Wrote:As for fraud, increased efforts by the DOJ and HHS have led to record recoveries and prosecutions of Medicare fraud.

Quote:A program to fight fraud in the Medicaid health system for the poor has cost the U.S. at least $102 million in auditing fees since 2008 while identifying less than $20 million in overpayments, investigators found.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06...-dot-found

Yet another bungled government endeavor. Chasing fraud after the fact is futile when Medicare is systemically built for it.

UM2001GRAD Wrote:Medicare is a vastly better option. You can squirm all you want but the proof is in the fact that insurance companies will kill themselves to stop the American people from having the choice to enroll in Medicare. They know they can't compete against it because it is a vastly superior product.

That doesn't prove anything about the quality or efficiency of either. Insurance companies just know they can't compete against a gov't program propped up by tax dollars that doesn't have to worry about a bottom line.
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(06-14-2012 12:55 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
UM2001GRAD Wrote:Medicare is a vastly better option. You can squirm all you want but the proof is in the fact that insurance companies will kill themselves to stop the American people from having the choice to enroll in Medicare. They know they can't compete against it because it is a vastly superior product.

That doesn't prove anything about the quality or efficiency of either. Insurance companies just know they can't compete against a gov't program propped up by tax dollars that doesn't have to worry about a bottom line.

The other big reason why private companies would struggle to compete is because the Government, who runs medicare, gets to regulate them.

Who could compete against a person who makes all the rules? Medicare, if falling behind in some area, can just tax the private company and regulate them down to the medicare service level.
06-14-2012 12:59 PM
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(06-14-2012 11:46 AM)Paul M Wrote:  
(06-14-2012 11:26 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-14-2012 11:14 AM)Paul M Wrote:  And debated and discarded as a bad idea.
Sure it was-by tea baggers. Normal people would disagree.

Um, no, by Heritage Foundation.
03-lmfao It is funny that the group that wrote much of it is now against it.
06-14-2012 01:02 PM
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