http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-c...igins.aspx

Evidence (and lack of evidence) arguments aside, the fact that this number is largely unchanged since the early 80's is significant.

Interestingly, the only group that's made any serious movement is the non-theistic group, with their proportion nearly doubling since 1982.

Other highlights:
- the majority of Republicans are creationists
- Independents and Democrats are nearly aligned in their beliefs
- belief in creationism is inversely correlated to education (duh!)

The Book of Mormon Musical is a good example of why...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekwiXQDdhSk

I'm still in the majority.

(06-12-2012 08:49 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  I'm still in the majority.

The 54% that don't believe that humans are <10,000 years old?

(06-12-2012 09:18 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 08:49 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  I'm still in the majority.

The 54% that don't believe that humans are <10,000 years old?

That's the majority, right?

Question -

IF we are indeed >10,000 years old as a species, where is all the archeological evidence that would logically exist if our species had been around all that time?

Seems like this could (should) be easily proven, no?

Evolution does not tell us how life began.

We were created from extraterrestrials. We all have it in our DNA. Not enough has been revealed about our DNA strands yet. Truth will soon come out.

(06-12-2012 09:31 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Question -

IF we are indeed >10,000 years old as a species, where is all the archeological evidence that would logically exist if our species had been around all that time?

Seems like this could (should) be easily proven, no?

Hypothetically? When God made Adam he made an adult man, not an infant... Whats to say he would not have made an adult planet..

My faith does not hinge on the age of the earth, and I don't tend to think belief, in any higher power, is an indication of intelligence....

(06-12-2012 09:31 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Question -

IF we are indeed >10,000 years old as a species, where is all the archeological evidence that would logically exist if our species had been around all that time?

Seems like this could (should) be easily proven, no?

There have been tools unearthed from North America that are more than 12,000 years old....based on stratotype sections. Also, using radio-carbon dating....there is evidence of burnt plants (suggests cooking) from 50,000 years ago. This doesn't even consider that there is much older evidence of humans from Africa, before the growth in population and migrations.

(06-12-2012 09:31 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Question -

IF we are indeed >10,000 years old as a species, where is all the archeological evidence that would logically exist if our species had been around all that time?

Seems like this could (should) be easily proven, no?

Since you are asking this question it is quite obvious you have made no attempt to find the answer on your own.

Archaeologists and other scientists report in Friday’s issue of the journal Science that excavations show hunter-gatherers were living at the Buttermilk Creek site and making projectile points, blades, choppers and other tools from local chert for a long time, possibly as early as 15,500 years ago. More than 50 well-formed artifacts as well as hundreds of flakes and fragments of chipping debris were embedded in thick clay sediments immediately beneath typical Clovis material.

“This is the oldest credible archaeological site in North America,” Michael R. Waters, leader of the discovery team, said at a news teleconference.

Spear Points Found in Texas Dial Back Arrival of Humans in America

(06-12-2012 09:37 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:31 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Question -

IF we are indeed >10,000 years old as a species, where is all the archeological evidence that would logically exist if our species had been around all that time?

Seems like this could (should) be easily proven, no?

Hypothetically? When God made Adam he made an adult man, not an infant... Whats to say he would not have made an adult planet..

My faith does not hinge on the age of the earth, and I don't tend to think belief, in any higher power, is an indication of intelligence....

Reasonable assumption. Fossils were put here to test our faith, etc.

I fully acknowledge that God could have created an "adult world" as He, in my belief, is an omnipotent being.

Having said that.....it seems to me the more logical solution is that the earth was formed and developed into what we see today over billions of years. What would be the reason to create all these well-defined layers of soil that helps us better understand our ancestors' age and cultures, while at the same time providing valuable science to aid in the construction of earthquake resistant buildings to save untold numbers of lives, if it's all just a supernatural hoax?

What's the big deal if it was a billion-year process over a 10,000 year "instantaneous" process? God still created it, but by defining the parameters of the universe in my opinion.

Jesus came to save our souls, not take our brains.

(06-12-2012 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Archaeologists and other scientists report in Friday’s issue of the journal Science that excavations show hunter-gatherers were living at the Buttermilk Creek site and making projectile points, blades, choppers and other tools from local chert for a long time, possibly as early as 15,500 years ago. More than 50 well-formed artifacts as well as hundreds of flakes and fragments of chipping debris were embedded in thick clay sediments immediately beneath typical Clovis material.
“This is the oldest credible archaeological site in North America,” Michael R. Waters, leader of the discovery team, said at a news teleconference.

Spear Points Found in Texas Dial Back Arrival of Humans in America

Where does it say that God having created man as is <10,000 years ago exludes neanderthals and what is widely considered to be "early man" from having used tools? There is no reason or evidence to suggest the two are mutually exclusive.

(06-12-2012 09:45 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  Also, using radio-carbon dating....there is evidence of burnt plants (suggests cooking) from 50,000 years ago.

Or forest fires?

It is clear that some of you have never been to the Creation Museum. If you had, then you would know how scientists are covering up the truth.

http://creationmuseum.org/

(06-12-2012 09:58 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:45 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  Also, using radio-carbon dating....there is evidence of burnt plants (suggests cooking) from 50,000 years ago.

Or forest fires?

I was hoping someone would say that. Lol.

It would have been the worlds tiniest forest fire.

(06-12-2012 10:00 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:58 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:45 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  Also, using radio-carbon dating....there is evidence of burnt plants (suggests cooking) from 50,000 years ago.

Or forest fires?

I was hoping someone would say that. Lol.

It would have been the worlds tiniest forest fire.

Not all fires are large. Could also suggest severe drought. Just sayin burnt plants can suggest many things, not necessarily cooking.

(06-12-2012 09:56 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Archaeologists and other scientists report in Friday’s issue of the journal Science that excavations show hunter-gatherers were living at the Buttermilk Creek site and making projectile points, blades, choppers and other tools from local chert for a long time, possibly as early as 15,500 years ago. More than 50 well-formed artifacts as well as hundreds of flakes and fragments of chipping debris were embedded in thick clay sediments immediately beneath typical Clovis material.
“This is the oldest credible archaeological site in North America,” Michael R. Waters, leader of the discovery team, said at a news teleconference.

Spear Points Found in Texas Dial Back Arrival of Humans in America

Where does it say that God having created man as is <10,000 years ago exludes neanderthals and what is widely considered to be "early man" from having used tools? There is no reason or evidence to suggest the two are mutually exclusive.

True, but I don't think I've ever heard any "God experts" make that claim before.

I'm a Christian and as someone said before, my faith isn't hinged on the age of the earth. One of the issues that I believe plagues the entire religion is "theologians" who really think that stuff like the age of the earth has anything to do with the word. People shouldn't take the Old Testament so literally.