Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
Author Message
SumOfAllFears Offline
Grim Reaper of Misguided Liberal Souls
*

Posts: 18,213
Joined: Nov 2008
Reputation: 58
I Root For: America
Location:
Post: #1
Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?

Thomas Sowell explains why president seeks scapegoats for all his failed policies.


by Thomas SowellEmail

It bothers me a little when conservatives call Barack Obama a “socialist.” He certainly is an enemy of the free market, and he wants politicians and bureaucrats to make the fundamental decisions about the economy. But that does not mean he wants government ownership of the means of production, which has long been a standard definition of socialism.

What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the private sector.

Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama’s point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, without having to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time.

Government ownership of the means of production means that politicians also own the consequences of their policies, and have to face responsibility when those consequences are disastrous – something Barack Obama avoids like the plague.

Thus the Obama administration can arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their customers until the children are 26 years old. Obviously, this creates favorable publicity for President Obama. But if this and other government edicts cause insurance premiums to rise, then that is something that can be blamed on the “greed” of the insurance companies.

The same principle, or lack of principle, applies to many other privately owned businesses. It is a very successful political ploy that can be adapted to all sorts of situations.

One of the reasons why both pro-Obama and anti-Obama observers may be reluctant to see him as fascist is that both tend to accept the prevailing notion that fascism is on the political right, while it is obvious that Obama is on the political left.

Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely – and correctly – regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg’s great book, “Liberal Fascism,” cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists’ consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left’s embrace of the fascists as one of their own during the 1920s.

Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in Europe and in America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. Du Bois, as a man of the left.

It was in the 1930s, when ugly internal and international actions by Hitler and Mussolini repelled the world, that the left distanced itself from fascism and its Nazi offshoot – and verbally transferred these totalitarian dictatorships to the right, saddling opponents with these pariahs.

What socialism, fascism and other ideologies of the left have in common is an assumption that some very wise people – like themselves – need to take decisions out of the hands of lesser people, like the rest of us, and impose those decisions by government fiat.

The left’s vision is not only a vision of the world, but also a vision of themselves as superior beings pursuing superior ends. In the United States, however, this vision conflicts with a Constitution that begins, “We the People …”

That is why the left has for more than a century been trying to get the Constitution’s limitations on government loosened or evaded by judges’ new interpretations, based on notions of “a living Constitution” that will take decisions out of the hands of “We the People,” and transfer those decisions to our betters.

The self-flattery of the vision of the left also gives its true believers a huge ego stake in that vision, which means that mere facts are unlikely to make them reconsider, regardless of what evidence piles up against the vision of the left and regardless of its disastrous consequences.

Only our own awareness of the huge stakes involved can save us from the rampaging presumptions of our betters, whether they are called socialists or fascists. So long as we buy their heady rhetoric, we are selling our birthright of freedom.

-------------------------------------------------

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution in Stanford, Calif. He is the author of 28 books, including "Dismantling America" and "Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy."

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution in Stanford, Calif. He is the author of 28 books, including "Dismantling America" and "Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy."
06-12-2012 12:40 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


RobertN Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 35,485
Joined: Jan 2003
Reputation: 95
I Root For: THE NIU Huskies
Location: Wayne's World
Post: #2
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
03-lmfao
06-12-2012 12:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Jugnaut Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,875
Joined: Mar 2004
Reputation: 482
I Root For: UCF
Location: Florida
Post: #3
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
He could fit into the either category. What's clear is that he's a collectivist like all our government leaders, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, and all the other dictators. In their minds, we are serfs that belong to them and the country.
06-12-2012 06:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UCF08 Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,262
Joined: Feb 2011
Reputation: 211
I Root For: UCF
Location:
Post: #4
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
lol
06-12-2012 07:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Paul M Offline
American-American
*

Posts: 21,196
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 649
I Root For: OU
Location: Next to Boomer
Post: #5
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
Naive laughter.
06-12-2012 07:43 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


UM2001GRAD Offline
Humble to a Fault
*

Posts: 8,968
Joined: Jun 2004
Reputation: 139
I Root For: The Tea Party
Location: Blue State
Post: #6
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
The President is a corporatist, just like virtually every other president over the last 100 years. There are a few exceptions and differences in degree, but they are all largely corporatists.
06-12-2012 07:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
maximus Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,696
Joined: Nov 2008
Reputation: 1292
I Root For: MEMPHIS
Location:
Post: #7
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
Valiant effort Grad, valiant
06-12-2012 08:48 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,082
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 667
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #8
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
(06-12-2012 07:46 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The President is a corporatist, just like virtually every other president over the last 100 years. There are a few exceptions and differences in degree, but they are all largely corporatists.

Truth!
06-12-2012 09:05 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
maximus Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,696
Joined: Nov 2008
Reputation: 1292
I Root For: MEMPHIS
Location:
Post: #9
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
06-12-2012 09:29 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


dbackjon Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,082
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 667
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #10
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
As the 1983 American Heritage Dictionary noted, fascism is: "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."



Most Republicans are fascist, by defination
06-12-2012 06:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Smaug Offline
Happnin' Dude
*

Posts: 61,211
Joined: Mar 2005
Reputation: 842
I Root For: Dragons
Location: The Lonely Mountain

BlazerTalk AwardBlazerTalk AwardBlazerTalk AwardBlazerTalk Award
Post: #11
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
Awesome. Now look up "defination".
06-12-2012 06:20 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,961
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #12
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
I don't think Obama has a particular philosophy. His ultimate goal is equality of results (as opposed to equality of opportunity).

How he gets the U.S. to arrive at his ultimate goal doesn't matter to him; he'll get us there any way that he can.
(This post was last modified: 06-12-2012 08:51 PM by UConn-SMU.)
06-12-2012 07:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Ole Blue Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,244
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 215
I Root For: The Good Guys
Location: New Jersey
Post: #13
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
Interesting that the definition of fascism includes a bit about the merging of business and state leadership. There are examples of fascism throughout the world's history, and President Obama's USA is not one.
06-12-2012 08:10 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Paul M Offline
American-American
*

Posts: 21,196
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 649
I Root For: OU
Location: Next to Boomer
Post: #14
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
Obama didn't make us owners of private business?
06-12-2012 11:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UM2001GRAD Offline
Humble to a Fault
*

Posts: 8,968
Joined: Jun 2004
Reputation: 139
I Root For: The Tea Party
Location: Blue State
Post: #15
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
(06-12-2012 11:00 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Obama didn't make us owners of private business?

Fascism has many more characteristics. To twist the auto bailouts into a fascist action requires complete ignorance of context and reality. Of course ignorance of context and reality are hallmarks of you cons.
06-13-2012 08:30 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
SumOfAllFears Offline
Grim Reaper of Misguided Liberal Souls
*

Posts: 18,213
Joined: Nov 2008
Reputation: 58
I Root For: America
Location:
Post: #16
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
(06-13-2012 08:30 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(06-12-2012 11:00 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Obama didn't make us owners of private business?

Fascism has many more characteristics. To twist the auto bailouts into a fascist action requires complete ignorance of context and reality. Of course ignorance of context and reality are hallmarks of you cons.

You just don't want to call a spade a spade.
06-13-2012 08:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MileHighBronco Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 34,345
Joined: Mar 2005
Reputation: 1732
I Root For: Broncos
Location: Forgotten Time Zone
Post: #17
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
More folks who fell for the re-definition of fascism. 03-banghead Some of you ought to read some history.

Tom Sowell says that what this administration is pushing us towards is worse than Socialism.

Quote:What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the private sector.

Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama's point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, without having to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time.

Government ownership of the means of production means that politicians also own the consequences of their policies, and have to face responsibility when those consequences are disastrous — something that Barack Obama avoids like the plague.

Thus the Obama administration can arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their customers until the children are 26 years old. Obviously, this creates favorable publicity for President Obama. But if this and other government edicts cause insurance premiums to rise, then that is something that can be blamed on the "greed" of the insurance companies.

Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely — and correctly — regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg's great book "Liberal Fascism" cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists' consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left's embrace of the fascists as their own during the 1920s.

Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in Europe and in America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. Du Bois, as a man of the left.

Obama's Politics Are More Insidious Than Socialism
06-13-2012 02:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


I'mMoreAwesomeThanYou Offline
Medium Pimping
*

Posts: 7,020
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 100
I Root For: America
Location:
Post: #18
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
(06-13-2012 02:24 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  More folks who fell for the re-definition of fascism. 03-banghead Some of you ought to read some history.

Tom Sowell says that what this administration is pushing us towards is worse than Socialism.

Quote:What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the private sector.

Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama's point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, without having to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time.

Government ownership of the means of production means that politicians also own the consequences of their policies, and have to face responsibility when those consequences are disastrous — something that Barack Obama avoids like the plague.

Thus the Obama administration can arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their customers until the children are 26 years old. Obviously, this creates favorable publicity for President Obama. But if this and other government edicts cause insurance premiums to rise, then that is something that can be blamed on the "greed" of the insurance companies.

Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely — and correctly — regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg's great book "Liberal Fascism" cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists' consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left's embrace of the fascists as their own during the 1920s.

Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in Europe and in America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. Du Bois, as a man of the left.

Obama's Politics Are More Insidious Than Socialism

this is scary true...
06-13-2012 08:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
swagsurfer11 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,345
Joined: Jul 2009
Reputation: 178
I Root For: UC
Location:
Post: #19
RE: Is Obama a socialist or a fascist?
Doesn't matter! He's muslim and Kenyan. That's enough for me.
06-13-2012 08:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.