(06-11-2012 01:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still havent heard a decent answer to why the HQ should be moved out of Providence and into NYC. What does it matter? B10 is in Park Ridge Il, ACC is in Greensboro, B12 is in Las Colinas TX, P12 is in walnut creek CA, (isnt that where laura ingalls lived? ha ha) SEC is in Birmingham. Why arent they in larger cities? Location doesnt seem to have hurt them at all

Park Ridge = Chicago
Greensboro = Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston Salem and Charlotte is real close.
Las Colinas = Dallas
Walnut Creek = N. Cali, Silicon Valley
Birmingham = Large city for the South.

Also, we aren't those leagues. We need to be front and center in the media capital of the world. We need constant exposure.

(06-11-2012 01:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still havent heard a decent answer to why the HQ should be moved out of Providence and into NYC. What does it matter? B10 is in Park Ridge Il, ACC is in Greensboro, B12 is in Las Colinas TX, P12 is in walnut creek CA, (isnt that where laura ingalls lived? ha ha) SEC is in Birmingham. Why arent they in larger cities? Location doesnt seem to have hurt them at all

Park Ridge = Chicago
Greensboro = Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston Salem and Charlotte is real close.
Las Colinas = Dallas
Walnut Creek = N. Cali, Silicon Valley
Birmingham = Large city for the South.

Meh. The location of the Big East headquarters is far down the line in terms of what actually matters for the conference. We have things called the Internet and airplanes now. You can just as easily say that Providence is closer to Boston where so much of academia has been trained and Bristol where ESPN is based. Playing the basketball tournament at MSG is what binds the Big East to NYC as opposed to its headquarters. Providence is only about 30 miles farther from NYC than Birmingham is from Atlanta, and Atlanta is by FAR the most important market for the SEC (if not the most important college football market in the country when combining how rabid they are across a very large population base).

(06-11-2012 02:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still havent heard a decent answer to why the HQ should be moved out of Providence and into NYC. What does it matter? B10 is in Park Ridge Il, ACC is in Greensboro, B12 is in Las Colinas TX, P12 is in walnut creek CA, (isnt that where laura ingalls lived? ha ha) SEC is in Birmingham. Why arent they in larger cities? Location doesnt seem to have hurt them at all

Park Ridge = Chicago
Greensboro = Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston Salem and Charlotte is real close.
Las Colinas = Dallas
Walnut Creek = N. Cali, Silicon Valley
Birmingham = Large city for the South.

Also, we aren't those leagues. We need to be front and center in the media capital of the world. We need constant exposure.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Big East was the conf that "hid" their embarrassment (Marinatto) in Providence as long as possible...and would let him out once a year like Ground Hog Day to attend the Big East Basketball Tourn in MSG.

Big East needs someone to help SELL the conf...especially to TV Networks and to help land new/bigger sponsors for any and all Big East Events...and the best way to do that is to be ENGAGED in the media capital of the USA, NYC, and not hiding out like some Mafia Don in Providence.

(06-11-2012 01:31 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:02 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Tranghese gave the Big East Presidents an offer...how you say..."an offer they couldn't refuse"....hence why Tranghese's boy, Marinatto took over when Tranghese left.

KL, I like reading your posts, so I can't put you on ignore... in my opinion, though, if you have one flaw, it's your obsession with the Mafia, Providence, and any combination of Italian restaurants, Providence conspiracies, Italian restaurant conspiracies, Mafia restaurants,

Noted...but its an easy comparison to make...as the Big East HQ/Commissioner job has always been an "insiders" conf...and the only conf that NEVERwould open up their top job to "outsiders"...as they always took the "next person from Providence College" to be their leader...and that is almost Mafia like, as it defied any logic (when other conf hired the best person possible...Big East only allowed insiders from Providence and the Big East HQ to land that job).

That's all...and besides...I'm "jealous" of all the great Italian Restaurants a city like Providence has...as to some people in FLA, they think meatballs are always frozen and cheese comes out of a jar in dry imitation flakes.

Big East HQ was a badly run organization, especially on the football side...as I think their past hiring decisions, hiring those with strictly basketball/non-football backgrounds, hurt their advancement over the past 10-15 years.

(06-11-2012 02:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still havent heard a decent answer to why the HQ should be moved out of Providence and into NYC. What does it matter? B10 is in Park Ridge Il, ACC is in Greensboro, B12 is in Las Colinas TX, P12 is in walnut creek CA, (isnt that where laura ingalls lived? ha ha) SEC is in Birmingham. Why arent they in larger cities? Location doesnt seem to have hurt them at all

Park Ridge = Chicago
Greensboro = Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston Salem and Charlotte is real close.
Las Colinas = Dallas
Walnut Creek = N. Cali, Silicon Valley
Birmingham = Large city for the South.

Meh. The location of the Big East headquarters is far down the line in terms of what actually matters for the conference. We have things called the Internet and airplanes now. You can just as easily say that Providence is closer to Boston where so much of academia has been trained and Bristol where ESPN is based. Playing the basketball tournament at MSG is what binds the Big East to NYC as opposed to its headquarters. Providence is only about 30 miles farther from NYC than Birmingham is from Atlanta, and Atlanta is by FAR the most important market for the SEC (if not the most important college football market in the country when combining how rabid they are across a very large population base).

My post was to address Why arent they in larger cities? question.
The other conferences ARE in large to VERY large Metro areas.

From 1991 to 2006 the SEC was paying the City of Birmingham $1 a year for office space. Not sure about what they are paying now?
There is always some noise about the SEC moving to Atlanta.

(06-11-2012 02:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  My post was to address Why arent they in larger cities? question.
The other conferences ARE in large to VERY large Metro areas.

From 1991 to 2006 the SEC was paying the City of Birmingham $1 a year for office space. Not sure about what they are paying now?
There is always some noise about the SEC moving to Atlanta.

Oh yes, it was important to point out that the other conferences' HQs are in major metro areas. To be fair to Providence, it's not like it's in the middle of nowhere. Depending upon the definition, it's part of the Boston metro area (the equivalent of Baltimore relative to Washington, DC or San Jose relative to San Francisco). The US defines Boston and Providence as part of the same "Combined Statistical Area":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Un...ical_Areas

(06-11-2012 03:37 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 02:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  My post was to address Why arent they in larger cities? question.
The other conferences ARE in large to VERY large Metro areas.

From 1991 to 2006 the SEC was paying the City of Birmingham $1 a year for office space. Not sure about what they are paying now?
There is always some noise about the SEC moving to Atlanta.

Oh yes, it was important to point out that the other conferences' HQs are in major metro areas. To be fair to Providence, it's not like it's in the middle of nowhere. Depending upon the definition, it's part of the Boston metro area (the equivalent of Baltimore relative to Washington, DC or San Jose relative to San Francisco). The US defines Boston and Providence as part of the same "Combined Statistical Area":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Un...ical_Areas

I hope you aren't seriously comparing Providence to Baltimore and San Jose. Baltimore and San Jose are major cities with populations larger than Boston, where as Providence is on par with Knoxville, Tennessee and Grand Prairie, Texas.

If you don't see the value of having the league offices in NYC, you can't see the forest for the trees.

(06-11-2012 04:32 PM)General Mike Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 03:37 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 02:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  My post was to address Why arent they in larger cities? question.
The other conferences ARE in large to VERY large Metro areas.

From 1991 to 2006 the SEC was paying the City of Birmingham $1 a year for office space. Not sure about what they are paying now?
There is always some noise about the SEC moving to Atlanta.

Oh yes, it was important to point out that the other conferences' HQs are in major metro areas. To be fair to Providence, it's not like it's in the middle of nowhere. Depending upon the definition, it's part of the Boston metro area (the equivalent of Baltimore relative to Washington, DC or San Jose relative to San Francisco). The US defines Boston and Providence as part of the same "Combined Statistical Area":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Un...ical_Areas

I hope you aren't seriously comparing Providence to Baltimore and San Jose. Baltimore and San Jose are major cities with populations larger than Boston, where as Providence is on par with Knoxville, Tennessee and Grand Prairie, Texas.

If you don't see the value of having the league offices in NYC, you can't see the forest for the trees.

Wikipedia gives Providence's metro area population as 1.6M. So not that far off from San Jose (around 2M metro area) or Baltimore, (2.7M). But I think that Frank was saying that Providence is sort of a satellite city, engulfed in a much larger Boston metro area.

Providence is to Boston as San Jose is to San Fransisco, or as Baltimore is to Washington--large enough to have its own identity, but small and near enough that no one considers it a "real city" in its own right, because the city-markers like museums and such are all in the Big City.

That said, there's an argument for league offices in New York City, but I think people overrate the idea. You'd be paying a lot of money in rent, because the whole point is to have a high-profile address, for not much real benefit. You'd probably save money just renting the theater at MSG for a monthly press conference.

Just stop. More people live in Baltimore than live in Washington DC. And if you called a Baltimorer, a Washingtonian, they would be insulted. More people live in San Jose than live in San Francisco. Comparing Providence to one of them is ridiculous. Providence:Boston::Newark:New York City

(06-11-2012 05:27 PM)General Mike Wrote:  Just stop. More people live in Baltimore than live in Washington DC. And if you called a Baltimorer, a Washingtonian, they would be insulted. More people live in San Jose than live in San Francisco. Comparing Providence to one of them is ridiculous. Providence:Boston::Newark:New York City

Baltimoreans may not like it, but their place in the great big world is "near Washington DC", just like San Jose's is "a city near San Francisco" and Anaheim is a place near LA. San Jose may have more people, but San Francisco is a world city and San Jose is not.

Newark is going a little too far. Being the state capital makes Providence central to its metro area in a way that Newark just isn't. If you live in Jersey City, Newark isn't any different than Hudson or Bergen. If you live in whatever other cities Rhode Island may have, your city is a moon, Providence is the planet and Boston is the sun. Newark, Hudson and Bergen are asteroids.

I'm not saying that Providence is a nice place or anything. Just that it's one of fifty Tulsa- to Oklahoma-City-level metro areas. No more, but also no less.

Providence is a joke of a town and having the conference headquarters there is the biggest joke in college sports.

Having its HQ in metro NY has done wonders for the MAAC....

Location of the conference HQ is important, but it is not as important as being in the media regularly. Like I said, BE needs a commissioner with a big mouth. The person needs to be on sports talk shows etc. talking about BE's accomplishments and performance on the field. People listen to ESPiN way too much. If they think ACC is a power conference, there is no reason BE should not be one. When ESPN got scumbags like Swofford on the air regularly, someone from the BE needs to be there too to debate this guy. When he said there is only 5 power conferences left and this is after he raided the BE for Pitt and SU, he is telling the world BE was damaged severely by the raid and BE should be suing the living daylight out of ESPN/ACC/B12. B12 used the lawsuit plenty of times against the SEC, I have no clue why BE isn't threatening lawsuit with all the actions by B12 and the ACC.

(06-11-2012 02:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 02:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still havent heard a decent answer to why the HQ should be moved out of Providence and into NYC. What does it matter? B10 is in Park Ridge Il, ACC is in Greensboro, B12 is in Las Colinas TX, P12 is in walnut creek CA, (isnt that where laura ingalls lived? ha ha) SEC is in Birmingham. Why arent they in larger cities? Location doesnt seem to have hurt them at all

Park Ridge = Chicago
Greensboro = Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston Salem and Charlotte is real close.
Las Colinas = Dallas
Walnut Creek = N. Cali, Silicon Valley
Birmingham = Large city for the South.

Meh. The location of the Big East headquarters is far down the line in terms of what actually matters for the conference. We have things called the Internet and airplanes now. You can just as easily say that Providence is closer to Boston where so much of academia has been trained and Bristol where ESPN is based. Playing the basketball tournament at MSG is what binds the Big East to NYC as opposed to its headquarters. Providence is only about 30 miles farther from NYC than Birmingham is from Atlanta, and Atlanta is by FAR the most important market for the SEC (if not the most important college football market in the country when combining how rabid they are across a very large population base).

My post was to address Why arent they in larger cities? question.
The other conferences ARE in large to VERY large Metro areas.

From 1991 to 2006 the SEC was paying the City of Birmingham $1 a year for office space. Not sure about what they are paying now?
There is always some noise about the SEC moving to Atlanta.

Something to think about:

Football is the CA$H KING for every conference...yet the Big East was the only major conf to locate its HQ in the same state WITHOUT a FOOTBALL PLAYING MEMBER. (And a tiny state at that and not even located in a Top 50 TV market, hence very little media coverage out of the Commish office).

Big East "Basketball" Commissioners treated football as some other "intramural" sport...as their Commissioners focused almost solely on Basketball for decades (that was their one and only background)...all while other conf were expanded their football membership and started to bring in BILLIONS of $$$$.

(06-12-2012 08:12 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 02:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 02:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 01:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I still havent heard a decent answer to why the HQ should be moved out of Providence and into NYC. What does it matter? B10 is in Park Ridge Il, ACC is in Greensboro, B12 is in Las Colinas TX, P12 is in walnut creek CA, (isnt that where laura ingalls lived? ha ha) SEC is in Birmingham. Why arent they in larger cities? Location doesnt seem to have hurt them at all

Park Ridge = Chicago
Greensboro = Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston Salem and Charlotte is real close.
Las Colinas = Dallas
Walnut Creek = N. Cali, Silicon Valley
Birmingham = Large city for the South.

Meh. The location of the Big East headquarters is far down the line in terms of what actually matters for the conference. We have things called the Internet and airplanes now. You can just as easily say that Providence is closer to Boston where so much of academia has been trained and Bristol where ESPN is based. Playing the basketball tournament at MSG is what binds the Big East to NYC as opposed to its headquarters. Providence is only about 30 miles farther from NYC than Birmingham is from Atlanta, and Atlanta is by FAR the most important market for the SEC (if not the most important college football market in the country when combining how rabid they are across a very large population base).

My post was to address Why arent they in larger cities? question.
The other conferences ARE in large to VERY large Metro areas.

From 1991 to 2006 the SEC was paying the City of Birmingham $1 a year for office space. Not sure about what they are paying now?
There is always some noise about the SEC moving to Atlanta.

Something to think about:

Football is the CA$H KING for every conference...yet the Big East was the only major conf to locate its HQ in the same state WITHOUT a FOOTBALL PLAYING MEMBER. (And a tiny state at that and not even located in a Top 50 TV market, hence very little media coverage out of the Commish office).

Big East "Basketball" Commissioners treated football as some other "intramural" sport...as their Commissioners focused almost solely on Basketball for decades (that was their one and only background)...all while other conf were expanded their football membership and started to bring in BILLIONS of $$$$.

So wrong on so many levels. You and others act like the conference never even wanted FB. If so then why add Miami, VT, WVU, Temple, Rutgers, UofL, Cincy, USF, TCU, UCF, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Navy, SD St and Boise? If the basketball schools were so clueless and against FB them why go to such great length to save it? In all that time that they added all those FB schools they only added 3 BBall schools, ND, Marquette and DePaul. Two slam dunks and one miss. Not to mention that one of the BBall schools became a FB school and that one of the other BBall schools (ND) gave the FB schools better bowl access. Seems to me like a newbie running his mouth off without knowing this leagues history.

(06-12-2012 08:23 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Seems to me like a newbie running his mouth off without knowing this leagues history.

Not sure how to take that insult, especially from a fan who's school doesn't even play Div I-A Football...but insults like that are not surprising and almost fits right in to how the Big East was ALWAYS the smallest Big 6 Conf...playing the fewest conf games...which lead to the smallest Big 6 TV contracts...hence my previous statement on how the Big East Commissioners, ALL 3 came from Providence College (hint: Non-football member of the Big East), and basically gave just lip-service to football as their majority time was focused solely on hoops.

SEC showed the world some 20 years ago that if you expand to 12 football members and add a profitable championship game....the $$$$$ will follow.

Big East REFUSED to follow that proven model (expand to 12 football teams, play at least 8 conf games, plus add in a Conf Championship Game)...time and time and time again.

Now, with its back to the wall and only after the Big East lost 44% of their expected football members (Pitt, WVU, Syracuse and TCU), and on the eve of basically dissolving their conf, the Big East finally acted, some 20 years too late.

The GOOD news is that the Big East has finally broken their stranglehold on Providence Commissioners (i.e. non-football background commissioners) as its always good to know your history, especially your mistakes, so that they are not repeated in the future.

It "seems" that football is finally a priority (at least the blueprint) for the Big East but its still a long way till that blueprint becomes a reality (July 1, 2013...plus their future TV contracts).

(06-12-2012 08:39 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 08:23 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Seems to me like a newbie running his mouth off without knowing this leagues history.

Not sure how to take that insult, especially from a fan who's school doesn't even play Div I-A Football...but insults like that are not surprising and almost fits right in to how the Big East was ALWAYS the smallest Big 6 Conf...playing the fewest conf games...which lead to the smallest Big 6 TV contracts...hence my previous statement on how the Big East Commissioners, ALL 3 came from Providence College (hint: Non-football member of the Big East), and basically gave just lip-service to football as their majority time was focused solely on hoops.

SEC showed the world some 20 years ago that if you expand to 12 football members and add a profitable championship game....the $$$$$ will follow.

Big East REFUSED to follow that proven model (expand to 12 football teams, play at least 8 conf games, plus add in a Conf Championship Game)...time and time and time again.

Now, with its back to the wall and only after the Big East lost 44% of their expected football members (Pitt, WVU, Syracuse and TCU), and on the eve of basically dissolving their conf, the Big East finally acted, some 20 years too late.

The GOOD news is that the Big East has finally broken their stranglehold on Providence Commissioners (i.e. non-football background commissioners) as its always good to know your history, especially your mistakes, so that they are not repeated in the future.

It "seems" that football is finally a priority (at least the blueprint) for the Big East but its still a long way till that blueprint becomes a reality (July 1, 2013...plus their future TV contracts).

Once again you're showing your ignorance. The BBall schools okayed every team the FB teams wanted. The problem was especially after adding TCU was that the FB schools couldn't agree on who to add. They could have added UCF the day after they added TCU but they couldn't decide on who they wanted. Yes marrinato suggested Villanova so the league wouldn't swell to 18 teams in all other sports which is an insane amount of teams.

Not to mention that the FB schools have proven time and again to be incredibly untrustworthy. They are like addicts chasing that tv money.