http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jun/...e-move-14/

Possibilities include changing conference partners and bidding for better picks.

If the payout gets raised, expect the Holiday to go after a Big Ten/Pac-12 game. One of the goals of the new Big Ten/Pac-12 alliance is to play more goals against each other and this is a natural target. The issue is that the Florida-based bowls (Capital One, Outback, Gator, even the Champs) and several Texas and Arizona bowls have head starts with better payouts, so San Diego is going to have to come up with a bunch of cash somewhere to be competitive. Losing Pac-12 #2 to the Alamo Bowl was a pretty big blow to the psyche of the Holiday, so we'll see how motivated they are this round.

(06-06-2012 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the payout gets raised, expect the Holiday to go after a Big Ten/Pac-12 game. One of the goals of the new Big Ten/Pac-12 alliance is to play more goals against each other and this is a natural target. The issue is that the Florida-based bowls (Capital One, Outback, Gator, even the Champs) and several Texas and Arizona bowls have head starts with better payouts, so San Diego is going to have to come up with a bunch of cash somewhere to be competitive. Losing Pac-12 #2 to the Alamo Bowl was a pretty big blow to the psyche of the Holiday, so we'll see how motivated they are this round.

If the B1G moves one of their spots to the Holiday, that could open up one in one of the Florida bowls you mentioned. I'd like to see a New Year's Day Florida Bowl slot for the BE and if the B1G moves a slot out west and the SEC has moved another slot to their new bowl with the B12, there may be some available.

(06-06-2012 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the payout gets raised, expect the Holiday to go after a Big Ten/Pac-12 game. One of the goals of the new Big Ten/Pac-12 alliance is to play more goals against each other and this is a natural target. The issue is that the Florida-based bowls (Capital One, Outback, Gator, even the Champs) and several Texas and Arizona bowls have head starts with better payouts, so San Diego is going to have to come up with a bunch of cash somewhere to be competitive. Losing Pac-12 #2 to the Alamo Bowl was a pretty big blow to the psyche of the Holiday, so we'll see how motivated they are this round.

I remember Delany making a comment not long ago, that some of the B1G schools are "tired of going to Florida". Your scenario fits right in with that.

I wonder if the B-12 and B-10 plan to do a wholesale switcheroo. That being, "B1G/P-10 Challenge" replaces the "B1G/SEC Challenge" on NYD. Then B-12 takes the Florida spots vs. the SEC?

I also question the following: Will the Gator, Alamo, Holiday, Insight etc. get tired of moving down the pecking order? Pretty huge difference in a Michigan/OSU/Wisconsin and a Minnesota/NW/Illinois. Same thing when starting to compare a Florida/Alabama to a Vandy/Mississippi State. How does USC compare to Oregon State? This "no limit to the BCS bowls" thing will only move such bowls further down the chain.

Sooner or later, the commerce in these host cities will have to weigh the benefits of a 2nd-division big conference team vs. a top team in the BE with a solid - AND UNDISPUTED - history of traveling to bowls, such as Boise State, Louisville, Rutgers, and yes, Cincinnati.

I guess the good thing about the BE not being in big bowls is that, if there is a poor turnout, they sure as hell can't be blamed for it anymore!

I wouldn't say that there would be a wholesale switch, although we could see some movement. The #2 and #3 Big Ten and SEC Florida-based games (Capital One and Outback) are ones that I believe both conferences want to keep - ESPN pays a bunch for them and the fans from both conferences are naturally inclined to go to Central Florida. The Gator Bowl might be expendable for the Big Ten, but it's still a large payout for a New Year's Day game, so we'll see. The Big Ten and SEC might be rivals in a lot of ways, but they're clearly the two most desired conferences for bowls, so the networks and bowls want to pair them up as much as possible. The main issue with the Pac-12 is that they don't really travel that well outside of the Rose Bowl and the Big Ten doesn't just want a slate of West Coast games. Florida is still the #1 home of Big Ten alums outside of the Midwest, which is why the conference has had at least 3 bowl games there every year during the entire BCS era.

They will most likely go for SEC # 13 against someone.

Would they consider the Big East Westside Division Champ v. Pac 12 #2?

(06-06-2012 04:40 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Would they consider the Big East Westside Division Champ v. Pac 12 #2?

That would be a nice setup if it can be done. If Boise wins the west, this would be a nice bowl to go to. PAC-12 and BE West champ can travel easily to this bowl.

(06-06-2012 04:40 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Would they consider the Big East Westside Division Champ v. Pac 12 #2?

I would love this! 6/12 PAC 12 schools are within driving distance of San Diego and SDSU, Boise State and (cross your fingers) BYU would travel well... not sure how well SMU and Houston would travel... San Diego is pretty damn nice in the Winter though. I don't know if we would get the PAC #2... maybe #3-4.

Getting back to realistic options, I think the Big Ten and Big 12 will more or less switch their Gator and Holiday teams, which would be fairly simple. That would give the Big Ten two California games against the Pac-12 (Rose & Holiday) and two Florida bowls against the SEC (Capital One & Outback). It also puts the Big 12 back in Florida with a contest against the SEC to go along with their so-called Champions Bowl match-up.

(06-06-2012 10:37 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I wouldn't say that there would be a wholesale switch, although we could see some movement. The #2 and #3 Big Ten and SEC Florida-based games (Capital One and Outback) are ones that I believe both conferences want to keep - ESPN pays a bunch for them and the fans from both conferences are naturally inclined to go to Central Florida. The Gator Bowl might be expendable for the Big Ten, but it's still a large payout for a New Year's Day game, so we'll see. The Big Ten and SEC might be rivals in a lot of ways, but they're clearly the two most desired conferences for bowls, so the networks and bowls want to pair them up as much as possible. The main issue with the Pac-12 is that they don't really travel that well outside of the Rose Bowl and the Big Ten doesn't just want a slate of West Coast games. Florida is still the #1 home of Big Ten alums outside of the Midwest, which is why the conference has had at least 3 bowl games there every year during the entire BCS era.

Have you been to NYC? This place is crawling with big ten land grant graduates.

(06-06-2012 11:06 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 10:37 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I wouldn't say that there would be a wholesale switch, although we could see some movement. The #2 and #3 Big Ten and SEC Florida-based games (Capital One and Outback) are ones that I believe both conferences want to keep - ESPN pays a bunch for them and the fans from both conferences are naturally inclined to go to Central Florida. The Gator Bowl might be expendable for the Big Ten, but it's still a large payout for a New Year's Day game, so we'll see. The Big Ten and SEC might be rivals in a lot of ways, but they're clearly the two most desired conferences for bowls, so the networks and bowls want to pair them up as much as possible. The main issue with the Pac-12 is that they don't really travel that well outside of the Rose Bowl and the Big Ten doesn't just want a slate of West Coast games. Florida is still the #1 home of Big Ten alums outside of the Midwest, which is why the conference has had at least 3 bowl games there every year during the entire BCS era.

Have you been to NYC? This place is crawling with big ten land grant graduates.

Yes, NYC has a lot of Big Ten alums (and frankly, almost every large metro area has a critical mass of Big Ten grads), but rest assured, Florida is where the largest number outside of the Midwest reside. Many of those might be retired alums as opposed to younger alums, but it's a massive number. Add in the fact that Florida is the top winter travel destination for people that still live in the Midwest and it's not an accident that the Big Ten always plays so many Florida-based bowls.

For Big Ten vs. PAC-12, I think the most likely are the Holiday Bowl with the Big Ten replacing the Big 12 and the Insight Bowl (which I think is changing names soon) with the PAC-12 replacing the Big 12. If only 1 was going to happen, I'd guess the Insight.

I agree that the Gator is the most likely to go. It will be sad losing New Years Bowl, but having 3 teams on at once may not have been for the best anyway.

The Holiday Bowl deserves its current status. The SD Bowl Coalition is in sore need of new leadership...

That San Diego article is phoney baloney. The PAC's basic bowl problem is that the PAC doesn't travel. In order for the PAC to get another prestigous bowl, the PAC moved its #2 team out of Holiday in order to pick up the Alamo Bowl. Now, the PAC gained another good bowl in the deal.

Neither the PAC or Holiday Bowl have good options. The SEC/B1G bowls just make too much money for B1G to drop one for Holiday.

The PAC plays two PreXmas Bowls, New Mexico and Las Vegas. You don't see the B12 or SEC playing PreXmas bowls games.

And the Sun Bowl has been successful, not because PAC brings a ton of fans, but because the good folks of El Paso turn out for the game and fill the stadium, something the PAC has trouble doing.