Sounds like the Big East is declaring war on the MWC:

Written by Brent Schrotenboer
June 5, 2012

The Big East Conference has expressed interest in several western bowl games for 2014 and beyond, including possible bowls in San Diego, Las Vegas and Hawaii, according to a league document obtained by U-T San Diego.

The document says the league's western football expansion in 2013 “will expand interest in bowl games for the league. “

It lists the following bowl games as possibilities: the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl, the Hawaii Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, the Armed Forces Bowl in Texas and the Liberty Bowl in Memphis.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jun/...ast-plans/

why would that want the hawaii bowl? its good to know stupidity is alive and well....

No Boise bowl?

The Famous Idaho Potato Bowl is probably going to be moved...

Also, I'd like to see them try to boot out the MWC from the LV bowl; the bowl committee and UNLv have a good relationship with each other. Also, they will likely be the #1 spot for the MWC, which will probably be on par with the top of the BE most years.

The Big East going after the Poinsettia Bowl is a no-brainer, since SDSU will be joining the league, but the opponent better be the Pac-12 rather than the MWC. It would also make a whole lot more sense for the Big East to go after the Emerald Bowl instead of the Hawaii Bowl.

They are probably going after the Las Vegas Bowl in hopes of enticing BYU but I think this is a ridiculous idea. It would be a better strategy to go after the Sun Bowl again, maybe with a 1-in-4 Notre Dame deal, to go along with their obvious interest in the Armed Forces Bowl.

It's becoming obvious that the WAC didn't die, it was just renamed "Mountain West Conference" and is under new leadership. They will probably end up with the same TV deal and bowl games that the WAC had.

(06-06-2012 07:17 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  It's becoming obvious that the WAC didn't die, it was just renamed "Mountain West Conference" and is under new leadership. They will probably end up with the same TV deal and bowl games that the WAC had.

Then the Big West never died. The WAC, has a long proud history. But the best of the WAC left long ago to form the MWC because they made the error of letting in many Big West Schools. No doubt the cream of the remaining WAC migrated to the MWC over the next decade or so. The cream of the MWC left for the Big East, and the old CUSA. What is left of the WAC that moved to the MWC is pretty average. What is left of the old CUSA is greatly dimished.

That is the bottom line about the WAC, not even a shadow of the Big West. The current players form the WAC in the MWC are marginal. In business when you sell your assets they are no longer part of your corporation good or bad. The WAC is dead, has been dead for a long time,just not pronouced dead.

(06-06-2012 07:31 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 07:17 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  It's becoming obvious that the WAC didn't die, it was just renamed "Mountain West Conference" and is under new leadership. They will probably end up with the same TV deal and bowl games that the WAC had.

Then the Big West never died. The WAC, has a long proud history. But the best of the WAC left long ago to form the MWC because they made the error of letting in many Big West Schools. No doubt the cream of the remaining WAC migrated to the MWC over the next decade or so. The cream of the MWC left for the Big East, and the old CUSA. What is left of the WAC that moved to the MWC is pretty average. What is left of the old CUSA is greatly dimished.

That is the bottom line about the WAC, not even a shadow of the Big West. The current players form the WAC in the MWC are marginal. In business when you sell your assets they are no longer part of your corporation good or bad. The WAC is dead, has been dead for a long time,just not pronouced dead.

It was the craziest conference, but I think the MWC will stabilize the idea that was the WAC.

Former WAC schools:

Arizona (PAC 12)
Arizona St (PAC 12)
Utah (PAC 12)

BYU (Independent)
Idaho (Independent)
NM State (Independent)

New Mexico (MWC)
Wyoming (MWC)
Colorado St (MWC)
Hawaii (MWC)
Air Force (MWC)
Fresno St (MWC)
UNLV (MWC)
SJ State (MWC)
Nevada (MWC)
Utah State (MWC)

UTEP (CUSA)
Rice (CUSA)
Tulsa (CUSA)
La Tech (CUSA)
UTSA (CUSA)

SD State (Big East)
Boise St (Big East)
SMU (Big East)

TCU (Big 12)

Texas St (Sun Belt)

(06-06-2012 07:52 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 07:31 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 07:17 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  It's becoming obvious that the WAC didn't die, it was just renamed "Mountain West Conference" and is under new leadership. They will probably end up with the same TV deal and bowl games that the WAC had.

Then the Big West never died. The WAC, has a long proud history. But the best of the WAC left long ago to form the MWC because they made the error of letting in many Big West Schools. No doubt the cream of the remaining WAC migrated to the MWC over the next decade or so. The cream of the MWC left for the Big East, and the old CUSA. What is left of the WAC that moved to the MWC is pretty average. What is left of the old CUSA is greatly dimished.

That is the bottom line about the WAC, not even a shadow of the Big West. The current players form the WAC in the MWC are marginal. In business when you sell your assets they are no longer part of your corporation good or bad. The WAC is dead, has been dead for a long time,just not pronouced dead.

It was the craziest conference, but I think the MWC will stabilize the idea that was the WAC.

Former WAC schools:

Arizona (PAC 12)
Arizona St (PAC 12)
Utah (PAC 12)

BYU (Independent)
Idaho (Independent)
NM State (Independent)

New Mexico (MWC)
Wyoming (MWC)
Colorado St (MWC)
Hawaii (MWC)
Air Force (MWC)
Fresno St (MWC)
UNLV (MWC)
SJ State (MWC)
Nevada (MWC)
Utah State (MWC)

UTEP (CUSA)
Rice (CUSA)
Tulsa (CUSA)
La Tech (CUSA)
UTSA (CUSA)

SD State (Big East)
Boise St (Big East)
SMU (Big East)

TCU (Big 12)

Texas St (Sun Belt)

And let's not forget their failed leader, our new commish.

(06-05-2012 11:41 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Also, I'd like to see them try to boot out the MWC from the LV bowl; the bowl committee and UNLv have a good relationship with each other. Also, they will likely be the #1 spot for the MWC, which will probably be on par with the top of the BE most years.

Since Las Vegas picked up affiliation with the MWC, they picked BYU 5 of 15 years. Utah made three appearances. Boise has been in the last two (first appearance as a WAC school playing Utah). The last time the game picked a team that will be in the current WAC uh MWC was 2004 when they took Wyoming.

(06-06-2012 08:37 AM)Senatobia Wrote:  And let's not forget their failed leader, our new commish.

Let's see:
In 2000 with TCU leaving Benson advocated adding La.Tech, Boise, NMSU, and USU to get to 12. Presidents voted to add Tech and Boise.
In 2003 with SMU, Tulsa, and Rice leaving, Benson advocated adding USU, NMSU, UNT, Louisiana and Arkansas State. Presidents voted to add NMSU and USU and wanted to add UNT.
In 2004 with UTEP leaving Benson wanted to add UNT, Louisiana, ASU, and MT, presidents voted to pursue UNT or Louisiana and had to settle for Idaho.

So the track record was of pushing to make the moves that would have kept the league alive and well while presidents disregarded the advice.

Remember that they had a great plan in place. Take BYU for everything but football, the problem with that plan was that while Utah State was willing to take a page from UNT in 2004 and decline to hold the league together, Nevada and Fresno had a different agenda. If Nevada and Fresno had followed the Louisiana model and said no when they were called as plan B, the MWC would be the league on life support and the WAC probably would have executed a full-blown merger. The flaw in that was that #1. Nevada wanted to be back with UNLV and didn't trust the others to decline. #2. Fresno didn't want to stay and remember back around 2001 or 02 they went public stating they wanted the WAC adopt minimum membership standards that were obviously designed to expel San Jose State. The net result was that the MWC of 2013 will look exactly like the 2013 WAC would have looked like except that Hawaii is football only and Idaho and NMSU are left out.

For the big four conferences to get to 64 total members, a total of 16 schools will have to be added to the SEC, PAC 10, Big 10, and Big 12. Those 16 additions will likely come from Independents Notre Dame and BYU, the ACC, and the BE. The MWC has a couple of possibilities in Air Force and Hawaii, but they're both long shots. Once the 64 team field of the Big Four is set, there will most likely be a merger of ACC and BE leftovers. The MWC and CUSA will then lose a few more schools to this newly merged conference. CUSA will backfill with Sunbelt schools and MWC will fill any needs with WAC schools. The WAC will then probably cease to exist. The Sunbelt will survive, but will be much diminished. Having already lost UNT, FIU, the Sunbelt will also probably lose two or three of MT, FAU, WKU, GSU, or Texas State. I think this will all happen before September 1st and we'll look back on these times as "The Great Realignment of 2012".

(06-08-2012 06:20 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  I think this will all happen before September 1st and we'll look back on these times as "The Great Realignment of 2012".

Can I have some of what you are smoking?

I don't disagree with the general premise, but the timetable is over several years, not several months, and there are no guarantees that the SBC won't be backfilling with CUSA members instead of the other way around. Much depends on what happens in the next 2-3 years with those two conferences.