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RE: Big East to rebrand?
(06-04-2012 08:54 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 08:48 PM)ULdave Wrote:  My idea is to rebrand the football side only.

Is that even possible? I don't know if it's ever been done. But than again, neither has many other things about this conference...
I don't see why not. Call it something like Big American Football of the Big East Conference.

Or something like National Urban Big East shortened to NU Big East (pronounced new Big East)
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(06-05-2012 01:14 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  I call BS. Nobody is changing the name. The name is among the most valuable things the conference has. As far as "renaming" the divisions---how do you rename something that has never existed? There have never been divisions, so whatever they are called will be thier original names.

We dont need a C-USA sounding name. That name has hurt that conference and undermined the accomplishments of the teams that play in it. Seems like if it doesnt have "big" or "great" somewhere in the conference name, a league just sounds too much like a small time FCS basketball conference. We need to stay with the name we have.

Good point. I always believed and still do to this day that the name C-USA in itself never gave the the conference a chance to succeed. To most of the country, the name was gimmicky and did not sound like quality athletics. Even to this day you always hear people make comments about schools being "a C-USA school" or a league being a "glorified C-USA". etc. You rarely hear the same comments being made about other conferences. WVU and Rutgers were once members of the A-10, but nobody still labels them as such. Nobody labels Utah as a MWC school.

This conference better not even think about doing some name like Big Country, etc. Keep the name Big East.
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RE: Big East to rebrand?
rebranding probably just means a new logo, new division names, and a better effort at marketing. I doubt they change the name of the conference.
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(06-05-2012 08:08 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  rebranding probably just means a new logo, new division names, and a better effort at marketing. I doubt they change the name of the conference.

They won't...Big East name HAS value/name recognition...but yes, they will do all of the above, especially rebranding/relaunching the conf in 2013...as even the basketball coaches at their spring meeting noted how little if ANY the conf did in promoting their FOOTBALL side of their conf.
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(06-05-2012 07:05 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 09:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 08:21 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I can only imagine the puns going into this thread. Might as well start.

1. God Bless America Conference
2. Be All That You Can Be Conference
3. Conservatives vs Liberals conference
4. The Proud, the Few... and Far Between

Or quite simply: The Giant Cluster---- Conference.

But really, they need to change it up. It just isn't the Big East anymore. Without Cuse, BC, Miami, Pitt, the conference is as good as dead. Bury it and start anew, whatever it is.

Bury it? What are you talking about? Their are 8 BBall schools, 3 FB schools and 10 all sports schools who disagree with your thoughts. out of those teams you listed only two were original members. GTown, SJU, Providence, Seton Hall, UConn and Villanova have been in the league for over 30 years. Rutgers has been in the league for over 20 years and Notre Dame has completed 17. Thats a lot of history.

Nostalgia gets the best of us sometimes. Our old men lived in a better time.

Sorry, this monstrosity now comprised of SMU, Houston, and Memphis in this so called "Big East" just doesn't fly with me. Call it a hybrid, call it a re-invention, I call it a big, ugly, MF. From a football standpoint, with some tweaks here and there, it is probably the best we could hope for. Best teams of Conf USA and MWC merged into one. That does not exactly coincide with the Big East though.

I will concede that the core basketball schools are still there. But as a football conference, it is anything but. The football Big East is officially dead to me, even if they decide to retain the name. That name will mean nothing to me.
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RE: Big East to rebrand?
Rebranding most likely has to do with a new logo to go with the new look like the Pac-12 did hen it added it's new members.
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Let's just call it the Big Time Conference, then ESPN will have to refer to us as big time.
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Best name idea so far, lol.
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RE: Big East to rebrand?
If they Rebrand it might be just to The Big Conference. (The Big)
And have the Big East for eastern division and Big (whatever) for westcoast. So at least for football they can continue to use "Big East" and for BB the name would continue. This would at least lessen the ridicule of hearing that Boise or San Diego is in the Big "East". The Big.
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(06-05-2012 01:14 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Seems like if it doesnt have "big" or "great" somewhere in the conference name, a league just sounds too much like a small time FCS basketball conference. We need to stay with the name we have.

Right, because the Big WEst, Big South, and Great West are setting the world on fire?

(06-05-2012 07:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good point. I always believed and still do to this day that the name C-USA in itself never gave the the conference a chance to succeed. To most of the country, the name was gimmicky and did not sound like quality athletics.

If Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Louisville, Southern Miss, Cincinatti, East Carolina, UAB and Army had formed the "Big 9" instead of C-USA, it would have gotten about the same lack of respect.

Quote:Even to this day you always hear people make comments about schools being "a C-USA school" or a league being a "glorified C-USA". etc. You rarely hear the same comments being made about other conferences.

There are 2 reasons. One, a Big East meeting can look like a C-USA Classic reunion, with 4 of the 6 charter C-USA football schools and 7 of the 12 charter C-USA basketball schools. Two, it's a way of putting down the Big East. You'd be hearing a lot less about Louisville and Cincinatti (and especially USF) being "C-USA schools" if the Big East hadn't just brought in 4 more C-USA schools, 3 of them charter members.

Theoretically, you could hear people diss the MWC as a warmed-over WAC, with 3 WAC 2010 teams joining 5 MWC teams who used to be WAC teams
1. The MWC started as a revival of a previous WAC, so it doesn't sting.
2. They don't have the WAC's best recent asset, Boise State.
3. Who cares about the MWC anyway?
4. The WAC has had so much turnover that you can't keep them straight anyway.
5. WAC alumni scattered in so many directions.

If the ACC ever takes Rutgers and UConn and maybe, you'll start to hear about the ACC North being a revamped football Big East--BC, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Pitt, Virginia Tech plus Virginia and MAryland.

Quote:WVU and Rutgers were once members of the A-10, but nobody still labels them as such.

Well, in football, they were independents. And in basketball, Jerry West played in the Southern Conference, not the A-10.

Quote:Nobody labels Utah as a MWC school.

When's the last time you saw someone label Utah as anything?

This conference better not even think about doing some name like Big Country, etc. Keep the name Big East.
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As an alum of C-USA I would personally prefer NOT to take a new name unless it was instantly recognizable. The "USA" piece of our soon-to-be-former conference name seemed more of an apology than a monicker that was an asset.

i would rather see a more traditional new name like "Big 14" coined than try to recast "disjointed by necessity" geography into another USA type brand that must be re-sold and would carry inevitable comparisons to C-USA.
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RE: Big East to rebrand?
(06-05-2012 10:00 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-05-2012 01:14 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Seems like if it doesnt have "big" or "great" somewhere in the conference name, a league just sounds too much like a small time FCS basketball conference. We need to stay with the name we have.

Right, because the Big WEst, Big South, and Great West are setting the world on fire?

(06-05-2012 07:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good point. I always believed and still do to this day that the name C-USA in itself never gave the the conference a chance to succeed. To most of the country, the name was gimmicky and did not sound like quality athletics.

If Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Louisville, Southern Miss, Cincinatti, East Carolina, UAB and Army had formed the "Big 9" instead of C-USA, it would have gotten about the same lack of respect.

Quote:Even to this day you always hear people make comments about schools being "a C-USA school" or a league being a "glorified C-USA". etc. You rarely hear the same comments being made about other conferences.

There are 2 reasons. One, a Big East meeting can look like a C-USA Classic reunion, with 4 of the 6 charter C-USA football schools and 7 of the 12 charter C-USA basketball schools. Two, it's a way of putting down the Big East. You'd be hearing a lot less about Louisville and Cincinatti (and especially USF) being "C-USA schools" if the Big East hadn't just brought in 4 more C-USA schools, 3 of them charter members.

Theoretically, you could hear people diss the MWC as a warmed-over WAC, with 3 WAC 2010 teams joining 5 MWC teams who used to be WAC teams
1. The MWC started as a revival of a previous WAC, so it doesn't sting.
2. They don't have the WAC's best recent asset, Boise State.
3. Who cares about the MWC anyway?
4. The WAC has had so much turnover that you can't keep them straight anyway.
5. WAC alumni scattered in so many directions.

If the ACC ever takes Rutgers and UConn and maybe, you'll start to hear about the ACC North being a revamped football Big East--BC, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Pitt, Virginia Tech plus Virginia and MAryland.

Quote:WVU and Rutgers were once members of the A-10, but nobody still labels them as such.

Well, in football, they were independents. And in basketball, Jerry West played in the Southern Conference, not the A-10.

Quote:Nobody labels Utah as a MWC school.

When's the last time you saw someone label Utah as anything?

This conference better not even think about doing some name like Big Country, etc. Keep the name Big East.


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Believe it or not, names matter. I am convinved that the original CUSA teams would have been much better off reorganizing with the Rice, Houston, TCU, and SMU under the shell of the Southwest Conference. The name would have been no more a geographic fit than the current Big East incarnation. Sure, everyone would have obviously known it wasnt the same conference, but the brand still had value and would have been far more recognizable and pretigious than being members of the completely unknown and unproven CUSA. There was value in the name and it was dumb to throw it away---just as it would be foolish to toss away the Big East name.

As far as the use of Big or Great in the name---its not a gurantee and it cant make crap into something spectacular. All I'm saying is a good name might not help much, but a bad name CAN hurt.
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(06-05-2012 10:19 AM)CougarTruth Wrote:  As an alum of C-USA I would personally prefer NOT to take a new name unless it was instantly recognizable. The "USA" piece of our soon-to-be-former conference name seemed more of an apology than a monicker that was an asset.

i would rather see amore traditional new name like "Big 14" coined than try to recast "disjointed by necessity" geography into another USA type brand that must be re-sold and would carry inevitable comparisons to C-USA.

Good point!
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(06-05-2012 10:19 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(06-05-2012 10:00 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-05-2012 01:14 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Seems like if it doesnt have "big" or "great" somewhere in the conference name, a league just sounds too much like a small time FCS basketball conference. We need to stay with the name we have.

Right, because the Big WEst, Big South, and Great West are setting the world on fire?

(06-05-2012 07:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good point. I always believed and still do to this day that the name C-USA in itself never gave the the conference a chance to succeed. To most of the country, the name was gimmicky and did not sound like quality athletics.

If Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Louisville, Southern Miss, Cincinatti, East Carolina, UAB and Army had formed the "Big 9" instead of C-USA, it would have gotten about the same lack of respect.

Quote:Even to this day you always hear people make comments about schools being "a C-USA school" or a league being a "glorified C-USA". etc. You rarely hear the same comments being made about other conferences.

There are 2 reasons. One, a Big East meeting can look like a C-USA Classic reunion, with 4 of the 6 charter C-USA football schools and 7 of the 12 charter C-USA basketball schools. Two, it's a way of putting down the Big East. You'd be hearing a lot less about Louisville and Cincinatti (and especially USF) being "C-USA schools" if the Big East hadn't just brought in 4 more C-USA schools, 3 of them charter members.

Theoretically, you could hear people diss the MWC as a warmed-over WAC, with 3 WAC 2010 teams joining 5 MWC teams who used to be WAC teams
1. The MWC started as a revival of a previous WAC, so it doesn't sting.
2. They don't have the WAC's best recent asset, Boise State.
3. Who cares about the MWC anyway?
4. The WAC has had so much turnover that you can't keep them straight anyway.
5. WAC alumni scattered in so many directions.

If the ACC ever takes Rutgers and UConn and maybe, you'll start to hear about the ACC North being a revamped football Big East--BC, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Pitt, Virginia Tech plus Virginia and MAryland.

Quote:WVU and Rutgers were once members of the A-10, but nobody still labels them as such.

Well, in football, they were independents. And in basketball, Jerry West played in the Southern Conference, not the A-10.

Quote:Nobody labels Utah as a MWC school.

When's the last time you saw someone label Utah as anything?

This conference better not even think about doing some name like Big Country, etc. Keep the name Big East.

Believe it or not, names matter. I am convinved that the original CUSA teams would have been much better off reorganizing with the Rice, Houston, TCU, and SMU under the shell of the Southwest Conference. The name would have been no more a geographic fit than the current Big East incarnation. Sure, everyone would have obviously known it wasnt the same conference, but the brand still had value and would have been far more recognizable and pretigious than being members of the completely unknown and unproven CUSA. There was value in the name and it was dumb to throw it away---just as it would be foolish to toss away the Big East name.

As far as the use of Big or Great in the name---its not a gurantee and it cant make crap into something spectacular. All I'm saying is a good name might not help much, but a bad name CAN hurt.
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The question is who owned the rights to the name SWC? I know the Big XII owns the rights to the names Big 8, 12 and 14. Could have Texas owned the rights?
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(06-05-2012 10:21 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(06-05-2012 10:19 AM)CougarTruth Wrote:  As an alum of C-USA I would personally prefer NOT to take a new name unless it was instantly recognizable. The "USA" piece of our soon-to-be-former conference name seemed more of an apology than a monicker that was an asset.

i would rather see amore traditional new name like "Big 14" coined than try to recast "disjointed by necessity" geography into another USA type brand that must be re-sold and would carry inevitable comparisons to C-USA.

Good point!

The Big XII owns the name Big 14.
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(06-05-2012 10:19 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  Believe it or not, names matter. I am convinved that the original CUSA teams would have been much better off reorganizing with the Rice, Houston, TCU, and SMU under the shell of the Southwest Conference. The name would have been no more a geographic fit than the current Big East incarnation. Sure, everyone would have obviously known it wasnt the same conference, but the brand still had value and would have been far more recognizable and pretigious than being members of the completely unknown and unproven CUSA.

I agree. But that's because the Southwest Conference was a brand with some value. If there hadn't been an SWC for decades before 1994, forming a "SouthWest Conference" wouldn't have had much more or much less impact than forming "Conference USA."

And remember, Rice, TCU and SMU weren't part of the C-USA Classic lineup. They went off to the WAC, and Houston signed up with the Metro Conference teams merging with the Great Midwest.

Put it this way--do you think the same lineup of teams would have had more respect as the Great Midwest, or as a football-playing Metro Conference? I don't think GMC, Metro or C-USA would have made any difference at all.

Quote:just as it would be foolish to toss away the Big East name.

The Big East name is valuable in basketball. I'm not sure it's valuable in football. In football, it carries the negative of "Boise in the East--ha ha", and we don't have the brand power that the Big Ten or Big 12 do to overcome their math problems.

Quote: All I'm saying is a good name might not help much, but a bad name CAN hurt.

I agree. I'm very leery of changing the Big East name, unless it's a football only move. (Remember, I'm a St John's fan. Part of me doesn't care if the football conference paints itself purple and sets itself on fire.) Renaming the basketball conference would be a terrible, senseless move.

I could see a case for renaming the football conference, but only if the name is a clear upgrade. I don't know that "Coast to Coast Conference" is a better name for what we/you have than "Big East".
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my feeling is just append something to the Big East name for the none Eastern schools to connect to. Since the profile is metropolitan schools how about add "Metro"?

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I think we should call it "Team America, F#@k Yeah Conference!"
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Being the only major conf with teams located in ALL 4 timezones, how about: BC

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(06-05-2012 11:31 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Being the only major conf with teams located in ALL 4 timezones, how about: BC

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