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ACC: No Buyer's Remorse
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RE: ACC: No Buyer's Remorse
maybe no buyer's remorse...but plenty of cognitive dissonance.
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Quote:That’s the key to the Pitt-Syracuse entrance into the ACC. This is not about making the conference stronger in football, although it is reasonable to think the schools won’t struggle long term. This is about fit. It’s about increasing recruiting opportunities. It’s about adding markets to become more attractive to television networks. About bringing aboard schools with similar academic missions and profiles. If the ACC wanted simply to make itself better on the gridiron (and some maintain that should be the goal of every expansion), it could have looked elsewhere, perhaps to West Virginia. But when it comes to the bigger picture, the league made a good move and has solidified itself for the future. Even if the Seminoles skate to “greener” pastures, trading expanded travel (hello, Lubbock!) for a bigger TV payday, the ACC will still be strong.
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Interesting tid bit on expansion numbers and potential candidates...

"Although Pitt and Syracuse aren’t yet members of the ACC — the Big East has a 27-month waiting period before a school can leave; that may be shortened — there are already those who are wondering if a 14-team league will be unwieldy and whether adding two more schools might create more symmetry. Spetman, who was at Utah State before FSU, remembers life in the 16-team WAC as having “some problems,” although the league’s geography (from Dallas to Honolulu) was likely the biggest hurdle. Radakovich is taking a wait-and-see approach, while Cunningham thinks “18 might be the ideal number.” Whatever the case, the carousel continues to spin, and the ACC has proven it is eager to take a ride. And getting stronger by adding the two schools could well lead to interest from the expansion Holy Grail: Notre Dame, which might be looking for a convenient home (read: one that will allow it to keep its NBC deal) once the new college football playoff system is finalized.

If Florida State leaves the fold, the ACC will likely move ahead, perhaps looking at Louisville and Cincinnati. Or Connecticut and Rutgers. Or Notre Dame. As always, fit will be a big factor."
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The fact that this article even exists in the first place is hilarious.
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Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

One thing is sure, the next time Swofford acts all butt hurt b/c other conferences are eying his teams, and he wants everybody to stick together for the good of the conference, I'm going to send him an e-mail reminding him of how the ACC raided the BE for teams, TWO DIFFERENT TIMES, when the ACC hadn't lost anybody.
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(06-04-2012 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

Well while I do think their value is overrated, the addition of Pitt and Syracuse did allow the ACC to renegotiate their contract from 12.9M per team to 17M per team. When you throw in the shares they get, they were worth an extra 80 something million to the ACC.
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(06-04-2012 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

One thing is sure, the next time Swofford acts all butt hurt b/c other conferences are eying his teams, and he wants everybody to stick together for the good of the conference, I'm going to send him an e-mail reminding him of how the ACC raided the BE for teams, TWO DIFFERENT TIMES, when the ACC hadn't lost anybody.

He raided the first time, not to expand but to improve FB. Their FB was losing ground fast and he had to do something. This against the wishes of his two BB bell cows, UNC and Duke. He ended up getting one of the only decent FB programs they have now, VT.

I have no love for the ACC as they have snubbed WVU since the very beginning of the league. USCarolina being the biggest foe to start.

I will agree with you he is a whiny tool as he started most of this, but with the TV money being thrown around it was likely going to happen someday anyway.
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(06-04-2012 08:22 PM)General Mike Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

Well while I do think their value is overrated, the addition of Pitt and Syracuse did allow the ACC to renegotiate their contract from 12.9M per team to 17M per team. When you throw in the shares they get, they were worth an extra 80 something million to the ACC.

It must be Cuse that is increasing the value. No one cares about Pitt.
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Other then the fact that Syracuse and Pitt take BC off an island, the rest is just trying to rationalize and justify their expansion moves. 03-banghead Their reasoning is contrary to all the other major conference's expansion thinking of football and tv markets first.
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The only thing I"m referring to is Swofford whining about possibly being raided by another conference, when he did the same thing twice, and neither time was it to replace teams. All the rest is just noise.
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(06-04-2012 08:22 PM)General Mike Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

Well while I do think their value is overrated, the addition of Pitt and Syracuse did allow the ACC to renegotiate their contract from 12.9M per team to 17M per team. When you throw in the shares they get, they were worth an extra 80 something million to the ACC.
Is that correct? I thought I read where they were already getting $12.9M now, and that didn't change, and they don't really get to 17 until several years from now, and the average over the life of the contract is 17, and nothing substantially changed with the addition of 'Cuse and Pitt.

I could be wrong, b/c I don't follow it, but I KNOW I read that somewhere, hopefully other than a message board, lol.

And even if they did make a big difference, Swofford is still a hypocrite, which was my original point.
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(06-04-2012 10:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 08:22 PM)General Mike Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

Well while I do think their value is overrated, the addition of Pitt and Syracuse did allow the ACC to renegotiate their contract from 12.9M per team to 17M per team. When you throw in the shares they get, they were worth an extra 80 something million to the ACC.
Is that correct? I thought I read where they were already getting $12.9M now, and that didn't change, and they don't really get to 17 until several years from now, and the average over the life of the contract is 17, and nothing substantially changed with the addition of 'Cuse and Pitt.

I could be wrong, b/c I don't follow it, but I KNOW I read that somewhere, hopefully other than a message board, lol.

And even if they did make a big difference, Swofford is still a hypocrite, which was my original point.
You are wrong...they added a net $4.1M per team to include Cuse and Pitt. The contract starts less than $17.1M but increases to much more by the end...it is graduated like all the other conferences. Be careful reading B12 misinformation. The contract allows a 5 and 10 year look in.
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(06-04-2012 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 10:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 08:22 PM)General Mike Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

Well while I do think their value is overrated, the addition of Pitt and Syracuse did allow the ACC to renegotiate their contract from 12.9M per team to 17M per team. When you throw in the shares they get, they were worth an extra 80 something million to the ACC.
Is that correct? I thought I read where they were already getting $12.9M now, and that didn't change, and they don't really get to 17 until several years from now, and the average over the life of the contract is 17, and nothing substantially changed with the addition of 'Cuse and Pitt.

I could be wrong, b/c I don't follow it, but I KNOW I read that somewhere, hopefully other than a message board, lol.

And even if they did make a big difference, Swofford is still a hypocrite, which was my original point.
You are wrong...they added a net $4.1M per team to include Cuse and Pitt. The contract starts less than $17.1M but increases to much more by the end...it is graduated like all the other conferences. Be careful reading B12 misinformation. The contract allows a 5 and 10 year look in.

TexanMark is correct. The ACC got a large pay raise both in total dollars and on a per school basis in its ESPN renegotiation (even if the bloodthirsty FSU fans don't think it's enough). Syracuse and Pitt enabling the ACC to open up its TV contract again was reason enough alone tto make expansion worth it.
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(06-04-2012 10:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 08:22 PM)General Mike Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

Well while I do think their value is overrated, the addition of Pitt and Syracuse did allow the ACC to renegotiate their contract from 12.9M per team to 17M per team. When you throw in the shares they get, they were worth an extra 80 something million to the ACC.
Is that correct? I thought I read where they were already getting $12.9M now, and that didn't change, and they don't really get to 17 until several years from now, and the average over the life of the contract is 17, and nothing substantially changed with the addition of 'Cuse and Pitt.

I could be wrong, b/c I don't follow it, but I KNOW I read that somewhere, hopefully other than a message board, lol.

And even if they did make a big difference, Swofford is still a hypocrite, which was my original point.

ACC, because it couldn't put out their bid to the open market, was somewhat hamstrung by whatever ESPN offered them since the conf just had signed a long-term deal with ESPN back in 2010.

What hurt ACC then and now is that ACC was the "first" back in early 2010 to sign a long-term deal...as the Pac-12's deal short thereafter BLEW AWAY ACC's deal, PLUS, allowed enough inventory for the Conf to start up their own TV Network (major $$$$ in coming years).

ACC teams won't even reach $17.1 Million payout for another 8-9 years, while teams in the Big Ten, Pac-12 and looks like now in the Big 12 as well will be in the $20 Million plus year range...and the SEC hasn't yet finalized their new TV $$$$.

From article below:

Further, the ACC’s deal escalates annually. Schools will receive $12.3 million the first year, a little more than $1 million than they would have in the previous deal. The annual check won’t match the $17 million average until 2021.

http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports...nacc-deal/

Its pretty obvious by the "noise" from FSU and Clemson immediately afterward that they might have been promised a heck of a lot more $$$$ if they invited Syracuse & Pitt so that they could tear up their old "bad" deal and sign one similar to the Pac-12...but the new ACC deal isn't even close to the Pac-12 (let alone the Big Ten, SEC or Big 12) nor does it allow for a conf TV Network to be started up.
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Okay, cool. I said I didn't know. Not high on my list of things to keep up with. Thanks for the info. Swofford is still a hypocrite, which was my original point, lol.
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(06-05-2012 07:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Okay, cool. I said I didn't know. Not high on my list of things to keep up with. Thanks for the info. Swofford is still a hypocrite, which was my original point, lol.

I won't argue with you there...04-cheers
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(06-04-2012 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 10:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 08:22 PM)General Mike Wrote:  
(06-04-2012 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Sounds like a rationalization for taking two teams that don't really help in FB, or in the TV contract, and won't keep FSU from leaving, if they want to, and get an invite.

Well while I do think their value is overrated, the addition of Pitt and Syracuse did allow the ACC to renegotiate their contract from 12.9M per team to 17M per team. When you throw in the shares they get, they were worth an extra 80 something million to the ACC.
Is that correct? I thought I read where they were already getting $12.9M now, and that didn't change, and they don't really get to 17 until several years from now, and the average over the life of the contract is 17, and nothing substantially changed with the addition of 'Cuse and Pitt.

I could be wrong, b/c I don't follow it, but I KNOW I read that somewhere, hopefully other than a message board, lol.

And even if they did make a big difference, Swofford is still a hypocrite, which was my original point.
You are wrong...they added a net $4.1M per team to include Cuse and Pitt. The contract starts less than $17.1M but increases to much more by the end...it is graduated like all the other conferences. Be careful reading B12 misinformation. The contract allows a 5 and 10 year look in.

ACC also added 3 to 4 years to their deal at under market prices. Whatever money ESPN is paying in 2020 will be below the market value. ESPN is the only one who made out like bandits. The only thing ACC did was by adding 2 teams they are able to renegotiate the TV deal.

By getting more money, ACC gave up the following:

1. Added 4 years to the backend of their deal. Those 4 years could be worth mega bucks.
2. Gave ESPN more inventory by increasing conference games from 8 to 9.
3. Agreed to play more week night games like FRI games.

You see, ESPN got plenty back for what they paid. ESPN is the winner here. Oh yeah, Swofford is the ultimate scumbag so if ACC is raided to pieces it would be justice and karma.
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