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RE: $60 million needed for new arena
(06-03-2012 02:37 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Thoughts? Anyone?
Remember, he needs something to make a splash, one would think he has ambitions for perhaps a larger, state land grant university?

You have hinted at this quite a bit since Noland arrived. Do you have any inside information? Time frames? Or is this pure conjecture on your part?
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Seattle- he doesn't have any inside knowledge.

It's just the ETSU inferiority complex. A 44-year-old president comes to town. Well, he certainly didn't come here just to be the head of ETSU. Noooo, he has to have something bigger on his mind.

And since ETSU inferiority is based on Big Orange Envy, well . . .
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RE: $60 million needed for new arena
(06-03-2012 05:39 PM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  
(06-03-2012 02:37 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Thoughts? Anyone?
Remember, he needs something to make a splash, one would think he has ambitions for perhaps a larger, state land grant university?

You have hinted at this quite a bit since Noland arrived. Do you have any inside information? Time frames? Or is this pure conjecture on your part?

He was a finalist for the Tennessee job when Dipietro got it. Word was the Haslam family was "Very High" on Dr. Noland when they gave it to the Florida guy. It's common sense really, a president at UT that folks are starting not to like, a young guy two hours up the road that the governor and one of the largest donors to UT and what do ya know? A UT guy getting the job as UT's next president!
I apologize for the snarkyness but it's very similar to everything else in life. He didn't get the UT job because they wanted someone with more experience, so he goes and gets experience, waiting for a position that pays more money and was a job he'd wanted to begin with.
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RE: $60 million needed for new arena
(06-03-2012 09:34 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Seattle- he doesn't have any inside knowledge.

It's just the ETSU inferiority complex. A 44-year-old president comes to town. Well, he certainly didn't come here just to be the head of ETSU. Noooo, he has to have something bigger on his mind.

And since ETSU inferiority is based on Big Orange Envy, well . . .

You're just dumb sometimes Pitt. The presidency of the flagship university in any state in the country is always a better job than the presidency of a regional state university. Knoxville will always be a more attractive job, mostly because the state has deemed it so. Or I guess if the president of UNC-Wilmington wanted to be president of UNC-Chapel Hill that would just be blue envy. Or the president of USC-Upstate preferring the presidency of USC-Columbia is just garnett envy, or heck the president of UNF thinking the presidency of UF is a better gig is just blue and orange envy. You could go on and on with it. It's a better job, just like being the AD of UT will always be a better gig than being AD of ETSU.
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RE: $60 million needed for new arena
(06-04-2012 09:49 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
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(06-03-2012 02:37 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Thoughts? Anyone?
Remember, he needs something to make a splash, one would think he has ambitions for perhaps a larger, state land grant university?

You have hinted at this quite a bit since Noland arrived. Do you have any inside information? Time frames? Or is this pure conjecture on your part?

He was a finalist for the Tennessee job when Dipietro got it. Word was the Haslam family was "Very High" on Dr. Noland when they gave it to the Florida guy. It's common sense really, a president at UT that folks are starting not to like, a young guy two hours up the road that the governor and one of the largest donors to UT and what do ya know? A UT guy getting the job as UT's next president!
I apologize for the snarkyness but it's very similar to everything else in life. He didn't get the UT job because they wanted someone with more experience, so he goes and gets experience, waiting for a position that pays more money and was a job he'd wanted to begin with.

No need to apologize for the snarkyness and I am all too familiar with cronyism, nepotism, and quotas. So in theory I agree with you. However, there is merit to Pitts position....and I will leave it at that.

For sheer spite, I would love for Noland to bring back football, elevate athletics, bide his time, and then get the UTK job. That really would be egg on Stanton's face.
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If he does those things plus finish the campus beautification deal and then leaves for oranger pastures, I will wish him well and thank him for a job well done. Afterall, it seems now that Stanton was a lame duck the day he took office.
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RE: $60 million needed for new arena
Let me ask you this:

ETSU is hiring a basketball coach. Coach Thompson (just to choose a name out of the air) was interviewing for the UT job last year, but he didn't get it. Now he comes to ETSU to interview.

He speaks his hopes and excitement for the future of the ETSU program. He seems to be charismatic and wise, a real leader who is going places.

But he is asked: "Hey, you interviewed for the UT job last year and reportedly just missed. Now, the Vols are still struggling and you're young enough to make a move. If the job comes up, would you be interested in UT again?"

Now, I'm sorry, but if his answer is "You bet! A coach can really go places and make more money in the SEC!" maybe he's not the right guy to lead ETSU if his sole ambition is to use the program as a stepping stone.

I want a guy who isn't looking at what the university can do for him but rather what he can do for the university. I want a guy whose reaction would be, and for all I know this is the feeling Noland would have, "You had a chance to hire me once, UT-K. You didn't. I'm gonna make you pay by having a better medical department/communications department/art department/athletic department etc. than UT-K right here at ETSU! Eat my dust!"

I'm pretty sure that Sally won't go out with a guy if she's told that she'll do for now, but when Jane returns his call, Sally is history. The only, and I mean only, reason Sally would go out with said guy is if she had an inferiority complex to Jane.
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(06-04-2012 07:38 PM)abuc90 Wrote:  If he does those things plus finish the campus beautification deal and then leaves for oranger pastures, I will wish him well and thank him for a job well done. Afterall, it seems now that Stanton was a lame duck the day he took office.

A lame duck that stayed for 15 years?
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Point taken. "Lame duck" was probably not the right term to illustrate my point. I meant that in the sense that IF Noland has aspirations of impressing other institutions that would be considered better jobs, we would still benefit from that motivation to do a great job and make big changes. Stanton never had that desire because this was his last stop, therefore he himself went unchecked and thus we have what we are left with today. Of course, you'll say we (the alumni and the community allowed it to happen) and you'd be correct. But, my point was the difference in the motivation and possible repercussions of the philosophies and actions of the two men. Admittedly, Noland has done nothing yet in terms of improving athletics at ETSU, but IF his goal is to get a better job by doing great things here then how do we lose?
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That's one way to look at it.

The other way is that since Stanton wasn't going to go anywhere (though wasn't he a candidate for UT Presidency once?) that he could make radical changes and he did- such as dropping football, joining the A-Sun and building facilities conducive for membership in that conference rather than those based on community and/or university need, pushing the medical department ahead of every other department at the school, etc.

What was Stanton's fear of reprisal if he wasn't going anywhere and the university was going to deify him?

I can see where starting a football program would look good on his resume. However, if he started up a fundraising campaign and it fell short, or if he decided to raise student fees to restore the program and the response was "didn't ETSU students make their voice known on this once before?" that wouldn't look good on his resume and he might have a tough time at ETSU.

I'm with you, but there are two sides to every story. Just sayin'.
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I worry that many are idealizing Noland right now in his honeymoon period of sorts at ETSU. There's no doubt he's made an outstanding first impression. His energy, passion, and ability to communicate are all things to be excited about.

At the same time, I've seen the ill-effects of an impatient desire for change. I've seen a period of idealization followed by demonization, to the detriment of the leader and the cause. I hope this doesn't happen (and don't think it will), I'm simply expressing a concern.
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Faithful- I agree totally.
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And, the state does not have the money for ETSU to build its fine arts building?

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News/art...?id=100745
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(06-09-2012 06:28 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  And, the state does not have the money for ETSU to build its fine arts building?

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News/art...?id=100745

not sure what the above article about Northeast taking over the downtown center has to do with ETSU needing money for a fine arts centers.
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Nothing at all
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(06-09-2012 11:33 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(06-09-2012 06:28 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  And, the state does not have the money for ETSU to build its fine arts building?

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News/art...?id=100745

not sure what the above article about Northeast taking over the downtown center has to do with ETSU needing money for a fine arts centers.

I'm sure there's a solid explanation for the state opening another state college center within a couple miles of an existing state college after slashing money to higher education for the past decade, including construction money -- thus no money yet available for a fine arts building that's been on the state capital list for 20+ years at the original college. Northeast St is a TBR school isn't it?
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(06-09-2012 01:14 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(06-09-2012 11:33 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(06-09-2012 06:28 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  And, the state does not have the money for ETSU to build its fine arts building?

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News/art...?id=100745

not sure what the above article about Northeast taking over the downtown center has to do with ETSU needing money for a fine arts centers.

I'm sure there's a solid explanation for the state opening another state college center within a couple miles of an existing state college after slashing money to higher education for the past decade, including construction money -- thus no money yet available for a fine arts building that's been on the state capital list for 20+ years at the original college. Northeast St is a TBR school isn't it?

Still not sure what you are talking about, it is a 2 year CC opening a campus. has nothing to do with ETSU, an arts center and certainly nothing to do with sports. Please make the connection. One has nothing to do with the other not even remotely.
Anybody else want to chip in with a possible connection? Only thing I can reach for is that if that state can't spend 10's of millions on ETSU for a center that is wanted but probably not a need
it shouldn't spend any money on any other schools who do need things, certainly not a 2nd rate Community College, that sound about right?
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