(06-04-2012 03:04 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Why is this even being debated???? The Big East has said time and time again... Air Force is a school they've invited, they want -- years of flirting with Air Force and Navy, they've got Navy, they want Air Force as part of their Western footprint. They're desire to affiliate with a National name like BYU is no secret either, they had plenty of meetings, BYU was ready to join back in November if given home game tv rights... not knowing any other details in realignment.

I have not heard a Big East peep about Fresno - no expansion committee member, no president, board member, or former commish ever say they're even in the running. This is all fan and web driven fodder, there is no argument on who the top picks are - the conference has said who they want!

I agree. I think if BYU says yes, the BE stops at 14, but I could be wrong. If BYU says no, then AF will likely join. I don't see us going to 16. I would like it, but I don't see it yet. Certainly no indication of any kind by the BE. Maybe that will change when the new commish gets his feet wet.

Still holding out hope that Army will come aboard if AFA and BYU both join to make 15. That's the obvious 16th and perhaps they'll reconsider their independent stance once they realize Navy really is joining the conference.

Army. Ugh. I know they were invited before, but it would be FB only, and they don't really add anything. other than playing Navy in FB. It's not like we're trying to save AQ any more. I'm kinda over AFA, too, although they would be better than Army. IF we got BOTH BYU and AFA, I would still prefer Fresno.

(06-04-2012 03:04 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Why is this even being debated???? The Big East has said time and time again... Air Force is a school they've invited, they want -- years of flirting with Air Force and Navy, they've got Navy, they want Air Force as part of their Western footprint. They're desire to affiliate with a National name like BYU is no secret either, they had plenty of meetings, BYU was ready to join back in November if given home game tv rights... not knowing any other details in realignment.

I have not heard a Big East peep about Fresno - no expansion committee member, no president, board member, or former commish ever say they're even in the running. This is all fan and web driven fodder, there is no argument on who the top picks are - the conference has said who they want!

Good news is that Fresno is NOT being debated anywhere...but its generally always the same poster or two that loves to bring up Fresno in any and all threads...(not sure why as those posters seem to think someone on this board has the power to invite Fresno over BYU).

(06-04-2012 07:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Army. Ugh. I know they were invited before, but it would be FB only, and they don't really add anything. other than playing Navy in FB. It's not like we're trying to save AQ any more. I'm kinda over AFA, too, although they would be better than Army. IF we got BOTH BYU and AFA, I would still prefer Fresno.

I'd rather have a military academy that will draw some TV ratings, sell out the visitor's section at everyone's stadium, and provides a great road trip opportunity. None of those are true for Fresno.

(06-04-2012 09:08 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 07:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Army. Ugh. I know they were invited before, but it would be FB only, and they don't really add anything. other than playing Navy in FB. It's not like we're trying to save AQ any more. I'm kinda over AFA, too, although they would be better than Army. IF we got BOTH BYU and AFA, I would still prefer Fresno.

I'd rather have a military academy that will draw some TV ratings, sell out the visitor's section at everyone's stadium, and provides a great road trip opportunity. None of those are true for Fresno.

Sell out the visitors' section at everyone's stadium? Hmm...

My take is that neither Army nor Fresno will move the needle on the TV contract, so why not take a FB only that gives both Boise and SDSU another conference rival, and better balances the BE geographic divide? Army is still going to play Navy, regardless of being in the conference. Nobody else cares about playing Army in FB, but SDSU, Boise and perhaps BYU will care about playing Fresno.

(06-04-2012 07:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 03:04 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Why is this even being debated???? The Big East has said time and time again... Air Force is a school they've invited, they want -- years of flirting with Air Force and Navy, they've got Navy, they want Air Force as part of their Western footprint. They're desire to affiliate with a National name like BYU is no secret either, they had plenty of meetings, BYU was ready to join back in November if given home game tv rights... not knowing any other details in realignment.

I have not heard a Big East peep about Fresno - no expansion committee member, no president, board member, or former commish ever say they're even in the running. This is all fan and web driven fodder, there is no argument on who the top picks are - the conference has said who they want!

Good news is that Fresno is NOT being debated anywhere...but its generally always the same poster or two that loves to bring up Fresno in any and all threads...(not sure why as those posters seem to think someone on this board has the power to invite Fresno over BYU).

My purpose for starting threads about Fresno State are multiple...

-I am trying to help East Coast fans learn a little about West Coast football (we are in the same conf. now).

-I think Fresno State is a better choice than Air Force by far and equal to BYU. (I want what is best for the NBE)

-I am throwing out a topic to be discussed on a sports message board (isn't that what a board is for?)

And while nobody on this board can make a decision on inviting a school, don't be fooled that the people that CAN make the decisions don't read boards or have boards monitered.

We in San Diego have found out over the last 10 years that fan boards are monitered far more than you may think.

(06-04-2012 10:16 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 07:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 03:04 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Why is this even being debated???? The Big East has said time and time again... Air Force is a school they've invited, they want -- years of flirting with Air Force and Navy, they've got Navy, they want Air Force as part of their Western footprint. They're desire to affiliate with a National name like BYU is no secret either, they had plenty of meetings, BYU was ready to join back in November if given home game tv rights... not knowing any other details in realignment.

I have not heard a Big East peep about Fresno - no expansion committee member, no president, board member, or former commish ever say they're even in the running. This is all fan and web driven fodder, there is no argument on who the top picks are - the conference has said who they want!

Good news is that Fresno is NOT being debated anywhere...but its generally always the same poster or two that loves to bring up Fresno in any and all threads...(not sure why as those posters seem to think someone on this board has the power to invite Fresno over BYU).

-I am throwing out a topic to be discussed on a sports message board (isn't that what a board is for?)

Just like how I responded to the poster's question above.

Bottom line, it seems that you are very upset that the Big East Football Conf is not talking to and has zero interest in talking to Fresno.

No matter how many times you continue to bring them up, it will never change the above.

(06-04-2012 10:21 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:16 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 07:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 03:04 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Why is this even being debated???? The Big East has said time and time again... Air Force is a school they've invited, they want -- years of flirting with Air Force and Navy, they've got Navy, they want Air Force as part of their Western footprint. They're desire to affiliate with a National name like BYU is no secret either, they had plenty of meetings, BYU was ready to join back in November if given home game tv rights... not knowing any other details in realignment.

I have not heard a Big East peep about Fresno - no expansion committee member, no president, board member, or former commish ever say they're even in the running. This is all fan and web driven fodder, there is no argument on who the top picks are - the conference has said who they want!

Good news is that Fresno is NOT being debated anywhere...but its generally always the same poster or two that loves to bring up Fresno in any and all threads...(not sure why as those posters seem to think someone on this board has the power to invite Fresno over BYU).

-I am throwing out a topic to be discussed on a sports message board (isn't that what a board is for?)

Just like how I responded to the poster's question above.

Bottom line, it seems that you are very upset that the Big East Football Conf is not talking to and has zero interest in talking to Fresno.

No matter how many times you continue to bring them up, it will never change the above.

It seems I am upset? Really?

I am not upset at all that the Big East has not (as far as you and I know) talked to Fresno State. I have no connection to Fresno State at all. I am in San Diego and follow the Aztecs.

With that being said, I do think Fresno State is the best choice for all concerned to one of the next teams in the West to be invited to the NBE.

(06-04-2012 10:24 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:21 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:16 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 07:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 03:04 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Why is this even being debated???? The Big East has said time and time again... Air Force is a school they've invited, they want -- years of flirting with Air Force and Navy, they've got Navy, they want Air Force as part of their Western footprint. They're desire to affiliate with a National name like BYU is no secret either, they had plenty of meetings, BYU was ready to join back in November if given home game tv rights... not knowing any other details in realignment.

I have not heard a Big East peep about Fresno - no expansion committee member, no president, board member, or former commish ever say they're even in the running. This is all fan and web driven fodder, there is no argument on who the top picks are - the conference has said who they want!

Good news is that Fresno is NOT being debated anywhere...but its generally always the same poster or two that loves to bring up Fresno in any and all threads...(not sure why as those posters seem to think someone on this board has the power to invite Fresno over BYU).

-I am throwing out a topic to be discussed on a sports message board (isn't that what a board is for?)

Just like how I responded to the poster's question above.

Bottom line, it seems that you are very upset that the Big East Football Conf is not talking to and has zero interest in talking to Fresno.

No matter how many times you continue to bring them up, it will never change the above.

It seems I am upset? Really?

I am not upset at all that the Big East has not (as far as you and I know) talked to Fresno State. I have no connection to Fresno State at all. I am in San Diego and follow the Aztecs.

I'm mistaken then...

Just that you have made 50 posts on this board about selling/pushing Fresno since the end of march...and 100 posts on Fresno since Feb.

And many of your posts you basically gave the impression that you were "annoyed" how fresno is being left behind...hence why I thought you were originally upset...and for that, my bad.

(06-04-2012 10:30 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:24 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:21 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:16 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 07:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Good news is that Fresno is NOT being debated anywhere...but its generally always the same poster or two that loves to bring up Fresno in any and all threads...(not sure why as those posters seem to think someone on this board has the power to invite Fresno over BYU).

-I am throwing out a topic to be discussed on a sports message board (isn't that what a board is for?)

Just like how I responded to the poster's question above.

Bottom line, it seems that you are very upset that the Big East Football Conf is not talking to and has zero interest in talking to Fresno.

No matter how many times you continue to bring them up, it will never change the above.

It seems I am upset? Really?

I am not upset at all that the Big East has not (as far as you and I know) talked to Fresno State. I have no connection to Fresno State at all. I am in San Diego and follow the Aztecs.

I'm mistaken then...

Just that you have made 50 posts on this board about selling/pushing Fresno since the end of march...and 100 posts on Fresno since Feb.

And many of your posts you basically gave the impression that you were "annoyed" how fresno is being left behind...hence why I thought you were originally upset...and for that, my bad.

No problem.

Rest assured I am not upset about anything, just a big San Diego State fan that would like to see the Big East get the best of the rest in the West.

I can't stand BYU, but they move the dial and should be our only choice right now. If the BE gets BYU, then they should stop expanding and see how all the chips fall. With that said, I would take Fresno over AF.

Army would be a disaster. They were in CUSA for years and the only thing Army could contribute was a win to the other team.

I'm not an Air Force fan, but I think from a sales/marketing perspective... having the two strong football playing academies in the Big East helps the conference - that's a great rivalry game that is watched internationally each year. I also think BYU outside of Notre Dame who is already affiliated with the Big East, is the biggest independent name in college football. It cannot hurt the Big East to have either or both, especially if they lose another member or two going forward before 2015.

I believe BYU will play the field a little more and not give an answer till they find out how the rest of the expansion pans out. After all they are independent and can sweat out the BE another 2 more years. AF..will careless to join since they are already in the MWC, Same goes for Fresno. I think the real kicker is the nBE on dealing with BSU's Oly sports and what BSU may do on June 30th when they officially announce what they will do. Right now i'm sure Kustra is peeing his pants since time is ticking away and the Big West can still say no unless BSU buys their way in with huge $$ to all the BWC schools. Who knows...maybe another airport gathering soon in Las Vegas? By the way Fresno was also hated by BYU when it was time for the MWC to bolt to create their own conference all because of Tarkanian's NCAA's history with UNLV. Not to mention FSU president Welty voted yes for the 16 team expansion that left BYU with a sour mouth. Side note. BYU still refuses to play FSU on their schedule.

(06-07-2012 06:58 PM)carylee2002 Wrote:  I believe BYU will play the field a little more and not give an answer till they find out how the rest of the expansion pans out. After all they are independent and can sweat out the BE another 2 more years. AF..will careless to join since they are already in the MWC, Same goes for Fresno. I think the real kicker is the nBE on dealing with BSU's Oly sports and what BSU may do on June 30th when they officially announce what they will do. Right now i'm sure Kustra is peeing his pants since time is ticking away and the Big West can still say no unless BSU buys their way in with huge $$ to all the BWC schools. Who knows...maybe another airport gathering soon in Las Vegas? By the way Fresno was also hated by BYU when it was time for the MWC to bolt to create their own conference all because of Tarkanian's NCAA's history with UNLV. Not to mention FSU president Welty voted yes for the 16 team expansion that left BYU with a sour mouth. Side note. BYU still refuses to play FSU on their schedule.

BYU joins in 2015 with Navy. They only have 5 games scheduled and one is with Boise who would be in their division. With Hawaii on the schedule as an away game they will only need one game for a 13 game schedule since they play at Hawaii that year. An eight game BE schedule plus an OOC schedule with Nebraska to open (Away), Utah St (Home in Oct), Southern Miss (Away in Oct), Hawaii (Away in Nov) plus another home game for cash, gives them a great schedule for that year and one their fans could really appreciate, especially if they are on track to play in the BE Championship game in December as the Western Division Champion.

With a BE schedule and an OOC rotation of ND, B-12 schools like Texas & Oklahoma, PAC-12 schools like Oregon St & Washington St that are currently on their schedule, Air Force, Nebraska who is on their schedule, Hawaii, and a Utah school (either Utah or Utah St), BYU would be playing a National Schedule the Church Affiliate Governing Board is currently after. They could also rotate easier home cash games through regionally with NMST, Idaho, and Weber St especially when they need a 13th game in years they play at Hawaii. This type of scenario just screams BYU to the BE for FB only.

It should be apparent I'd like to see Fresno added to the BE. However, having spent a fair amount of time reviewing the chances of it over the last few weeks, I've come to the conclusion there's virtually no chance of it except as a replacement for Louisville or somebody else who might leave.

(06-09-2012 01:29 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  It should be apparent I'd like to see Fresno added to the BE. However, having spent a fair amount of time reviewing the chances of it over the last few weeks, I've come to the conclusion there's virtually no chance of it except as a replacement for Louisville or somebody else who might leave.

If BYU keeps playing hard ball and Air Force keeps dilly dallying around with a desire to stay in the MWC because of their BB and Olympic Sports, Fresno just may slip in as the 14th school. They may be a third choice at this point but as soon as the new Commissioner is in place and the bowl and TV contracts have to be negotiated things are going to move fast and the BE is not going to play with the first to contenders very long. The BE needs a commitment for the 14th spot to negotiate the TV and bowl contracts even if that school doesn't move up until Navy joins in 2015.

(06-09-2012 01:47 PM)panite Wrote:  

(06-09-2012 01:29 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  It should be apparent I'd like to see Fresno added to the BE. However, having spent a fair amount of time reviewing the chances of it over the last few weeks, I've come to the conclusion there's virtually no chance of it except as a replacement for Louisville or somebody else who might leave.

If BYU keeps playing hard ball and Air Force keeps dilly dallying around with a desire to stay in the MWC because of their BB and Olympic Sports, Fresno just may slip in as the 14th school. They may be a third choice at this point but as soon as the new Commissioner is in place and the bowl and TV contracts have to be negotiated things are going to move fast and the BE is not going to play with the first to contenders very long. The BE needs a commitment for the 14th spot to negotiate the TV and bowl contracts even if that school doesn't move up until Navy joins in 2015.

I don't agree that the BE has to nail down #14 this year. The BE and the negotiating networks can plug in a placeholder team w/o the BE having #14 nailed down. They can say, for example, BYU will bring in an extra $X, and anybody else (or at least the next few teams on the list, for example) will result in $Y.

Also, I'm pretty sure if BYU says no, then AFA will likely say yes. However, if somebody leaves, then perhaps Fresno would get a shot, but there hasn't been a public word, or even any leaked info from BE officials, about anybody past BYU or AFA.

BYU has been so difficult to deal with that I don't think the BE officials will be as patient this time around and BYU still think they are the Notre Dame of the West. Without the BCS guarantee, they might continue to say no. And AF I do not think will want to leave the MWC even with Navy as a carrot. That said, of course Aztec Steve and Sleeping Giants Fan were right: there is only one good choice and that is Fresno State. And both SDSU and BSU have a rivalry with those guys that means something.

The Dogs bring a huge TV market in northern California and a national following. Their home game fan base has been a little discouraged for a couple of years, but with a new coach on board and an invite to the Big East and you will quickly see them return and pack the stadium to 40,000+ on a regular basis as they did during the Dogs hey day when Pat Hill was taking on all comers.

This is a no brainer to bring in a big western school with good facilities who will be a loyal, long-term contributing member of the Big East.