(06-04-2012 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 12:02 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Programs like Va Tech or especially Boise State (3 straight years ranked in Top 10) are much more known on the gridiron than say a team/program like Syracuse.

Many teams have proud/great history...but for many, its just that, history, as the here and now are much more important, especially to TV Networks vs what teams did 20, 30, 40, or 50 plus years ago.

There are only but so many teams who have been in the Top 10 lately. And Syracuse is not among them.

But Donovan McNabb was leading Syracuse to the Orange Bowl less than 15 years ago. And they won 10 games a couple of years after he graduated before the bottom fell out.

I was actually at that game...maybe last ever played at the old/original Orange Bowl (believe it was moved from Joe Robbie to the old Orange Bowl to conflict with a Miami Dolphin playoff game or something).

That was the last time Syracuse was on the big-stage...and sadly, they laid an egg in that contest.

Here's a right up of that game.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footbal...index.html

NOTE: Think that was the bowl game when there was a huge snow storm in Upstate NY...which closed a lot of airports and/or caused a ton of flights to get canceled as many Cuse fans with tix couldn't get to the game.

Haha, this thread just proves it's all opinions, anyway, when it comes to this topic. I say if you have to debate whether a team is a name brand or not, than they are not.

Pretty interesting topic... with Syracuse football, not too long ago you could point to 4 great All-Pro NFLers that were Orangmen... McNabb, Marvin Harrison, Darryl Johnston and Dwight Freeney... got a lot of playoff/ Super Bowl exposure too... it helped keep Syracuse in general football discussions more easily... it also hurt them when Csonka stopped making the Noxzema commercials with the hot chicks sitting by the pool...

I think all schools go back and forth... the pendulum swings back and forth and back again continually... maybe in 10 to 15 year chunks... you watch sports long enough, and you see this constantly... in 5 years, an entirely different crop of schools would be in this discussion (beyond the Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, etc)... go back 10 years-- no way we would have guessed that Oregon or Boise would be a top dog... or that Miami (of Florida)* would be mediocre...

* more evidence of ebbs and flows... many fans over 40 grew up having to distinguish them from Miami of Ohio, that how low the Hurricanes were...

I only read the first page, but I had to sit back and lmao at quo's posts. They all end with "the Big East doesn't have ________ ". LOL

(06-04-2012 02:16 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Pretty interesting topic... with Syracuse football, not too long ago you could point to 4 great All-Pro NFLers that were Orangmen... McNabb, Marvin Harrison, Darryl Johnston and Dwight Freeney... got a lot of playoff/ Super Bowl exposure too... it helped keep Syracuse in general football discussions more easily... it also hurt them when Csonka stopped making the Noxzema commercials with the hot chicks sitting by the pool...

I think all schools go back and forth... the pendulum swings back and forth and back again continually... maybe in 10 to 15 year chunks... you watch sports long enough, and you see this constantly... in 5 years, an entirely different crop of schools would be in this discussion (beyond the Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, etc)... go back 10 years-- no way we would have guessed that Oregon or Boise would be a top dog... or that Miami (of Florida)* would be mediocre...

* more evidence of ebbs and flows... many fans over 40 grew up having to distinguish them from Miami of Ohio, that how low the Hurricanes were...

Well...Miami won their first of FIVE National Titles almost 30 years ago in 1983....so for most 40 plus year or older...Miami has been at/near the top for most.

It's Hard to maintain the Powerhouse status Today, Ask Tennessee, Miami,among others. Coaching changes can suck the Life out of a Program, Or in Louisvilles case Bring it back from near Death with it's last coach, to His replacement putting the pieces back together for another Good Run at National prominence. Syracuse also had a Bad coaching stretch in recent Years.

(06-04-2012 03:07 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 02:16 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Pretty interesting topic...

* more evidence of ebbs and flows... many fans over 40 grew up having to distinguish them from Miami of Ohio, that how low the Hurricanes were...

Well...Miami won their first of FIVE National Titles almost 30 years ago in 1983....so for most 40 plus year or older...Miami has been at/near the top for most.

Up until I was 15, Miami had done nothing... even in '83 itself, they were under the radar in the polls, and were expected to be a unknown sacrificial lamb vs Nebraska... think Buster Douglas vs Tyson. Miami just kind of burst on the scene all at once in that Orange Bowl... it wasn't some highly anticipated matchup.

(06-04-2012 12:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 12:54 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Jim Brown, Larry Csonka, Floyd Little, Ernie Davis are among the Greatest Backs in the History of the Game !

Yes, but IIRC, the last of those guys retired in the 1970s.

The glory of Syracuse football is like the glory of Cincinnati basketball: Ancient history to most fans today.

Depends on your definition of "glory days"....

in the 90's and early 2000's we were ranked in the top 15 most years, were an ncaa lock, had multiple all american's, top 5 recruiting classes, and nba picks.

If you define "glory days" as national titles and final fours, then yes, for cincy those were a long time ago.

Huggy had it goin' on, One Human mistake caused the Cincy Slip but Mick will get the Show back on top soon ! Cincinnati is for real. Today and Yesterday .

(06-04-2012 10:11 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:44 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:03 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:02 AM)TripleA Wrote:  "Cuse isn't a "brand name" in FB.

I think they had some brand power....I didn't say they were Ohio State/Florida/USC.

In FOOTBALL? For what? They have a great "brand name" in BB. But that doesn't bleed over to another sport.

That's like saying Rice is a brand name in basketball, b/c they have a good baseball program.

No they have a brand name for football. They were a football powerhouse.

If Syracuse football was a "powerhouse" and had a strong "brand name", they would have certainly been chosen to be on ESPN more than 2 times over the past 3 regular seasons.

Even TV Networks realize Syracuse has little "brand" left in football, if any.

PS. maybe by moving to an easier conf (ACC), maybe they can get it back...no one knows though.

I dont know if SU had only 2 games on Espn the last 3 seasons or not, but I know they have had some other games on ABC and Espn2. This season alone they host 4 games being nationally broadcasted between ABC (1 maybe 2), and ESPN (2, maybe 3) and ESPN2 (1 or 2), and play a 5th road game on the Big 10 network. And thats coming off a 5-7 season.

SU's 2012 TV Schedule

(06-08-2012 08:17 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:11 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:44 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:03 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think they had some brand power....I didn't say they were Ohio State/Florida/USC.

In FOOTBALL? For what? They have a great "brand name" in BB. But that doesn't bleed over to another sport.

That's like saying Rice is a brand name in basketball, b/c they have a good baseball program.

No they have a brand name for football. They were a football powerhouse.

If Syracuse football was a "powerhouse" and had a strong "brand name", they would have certainly been chosen to be on ESPN more than 2 times over the past 3 regular seasons.

Even TV Networks realize Syracuse has little "brand" left in football, if any.

PS. maybe by moving to an easier conf (ACC), maybe they can get it back...no one knows though.

I dont know if SU had only 2 games on Espn the last 3 seasons or not, ....

No worries...I did the research for you: Syracuse appeared on ESPN just twice over the past 3 regular seasons.

(06-08-2012 08:31 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-08-2012 08:17 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:11 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:44 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  In FOOTBALL? For what? They have a great "brand name" in BB. But that doesn't bleed over to another sport.

That's like saying Rice is a brand name in basketball, b/c they have a good baseball program.

No they have a brand name for football. They were a football powerhouse.

If Syracuse football was a "powerhouse" and had a strong "brand name", they would have certainly been chosen to be on ESPN more than 2 times over the past 3 regular seasons.

Even TV Networks realize Syracuse has little "brand" left in football, if any.

PS. maybe by moving to an easier conf (ACC), maybe they can get it back...no one knows though.

I dont know if SU had only 2 games on Espn the last 3 seasons or not, ....

No worries...I did the research for you: Syracuse appeared on ESPN just twice over the past 3 regular seasons.

But if you are going to use tv appearances to support your argument that SU is or is not a fb power, why use such a small sample, and completely ignore all of the appearances on ABC, and and ESPN2 over the past 3 years? Hmmm? How does your argument hold up since SU has at least 2 appearances on ESPN and maybe 2 appearances on ABC, this season alone? Hmmmm?

For the record, SU didnt have any games televised on ABC the last 3 years, Its last appearance on ABC was in 2008, but have had 9 games on Espn and Espn 2 the last 3 years, an average of 3 per year. I dont know why SU has so many games on national tv this season, but there will be at least 4 games on ABC, ESPN and Espn 2 this season. Still a big drop off when SU regularly had 5-10 games on national tv per season in the 80', 90's, and up til 2004.

(06-08-2012 09:22 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-08-2012 08:31 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-08-2012 08:17 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 10:11 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 08:44 AM)k5james Wrote:  
No they have a brand name for football. They were a football powerhouse.

If Syracuse football was a "powerhouse" and had a strong "brand name", they would have certainly been chosen to be on ESPN more than 2 times over the past 3 regular seasons.

Even TV Networks realize Syracuse has little "brand" left in football, if any.

PS. maybe by moving to an easier conf (ACC), maybe they can get it back...no one knows though.

I dont know if SU had only 2 games on Espn the last 3 seasons or not, ....

No worries...I did the research for you: Syracuse appeared on ESPN just twice over the past 3 regular seasons.

But if you are going to use tv appearances to support your argument that SU is or is not a fb power, why use such a small sample, and completely ignore all of the appearances on ABC, and and ESPN2 over the past 3 years? Hmmm? How does your argument hold up since SU has at least 2 appearances on ESPN and maybe 2 appearances on ABC, this season alone? Hmmmm?

For the record, SU didnt have any games televised on ABC the last 3 years, Its last appearance on ABC was in 2008, but have had 9 games on Espn and Espn 2 the last 3 years, an average of 3 per year. I dont know why SU has so many games on national tv this season, but there will be at least 4 games on ABC, ESPN and Espn 2 this season. Still a big drop off when SU regularly had 5-10 games on national tv per season in the 80', 90's, and up til 2004.

dude's argument doesn't hold water...the fact is SU has football brand. You guys are no Florida or Alabama but to say SU doesn't have SOME football brand recognition is beint intellectually dishonest.