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(05-26-2012 12:21 PM)BadWillHunting Wrote:  Don't laugh at the female Ice Skating fans... if you're one of the male Pro-Wrestling fans.

Both "Sports" (if you could call them that...) are totally staged, fake and stupid.

It could be argued that Ice Skating is the "Female" version of Pro Wrestling.

Especially with Tony and Nancy going at it 03-lmfao
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(05-26-2012 12:24 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 12:21 PM)BadWillHunting Wrote:  Don't laugh at the female Ice Skating fans... if you're one of the male Pro-Wrestling fans.

Both "Sports" (if you could call them that...) are totally staged, fake and stupid.

It could be argued that Ice Skating is the "Female" version of Pro Wrestling.

Especially with Tony and Nancy going at it 03-lmfao

Yes... You're seeing it: THEY ARE SOAP OPERAS.
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(05-26-2012 10:36 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  True...but that doesn't even include games on NBC.

NBC Sports Network's #1 selling point to the Big East is that NBC Sports Networks can offer:

Select games on NBC (double-header with Notre DAme or when Notre Dame plays road games not on NBC)

MORE PRIME TIME SLOTS on NBC SPORTS for both football AND basketball compared to what ESPN
can offer/PROMISE for ESPN/ESPN2....since soooo much of ESPN's programming is already committed to SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12 and ACC sports.

I can see the Big East taking a few less $$$ from NBC SPORTS if it means more primetime exposure for football and basketball.

NBC SPORTS is DESPERATE for Fall/Winter programming...as they basically have just hockey on 2 nights a week.

Combination of NBC and NBC Sports...even for a few less $$$$, will be of more VALUE to Big East Schools vs ESPN "buying" Big East's entire package just to keep it away from NBC Sports...and then relegate it to mostly internet ESPN3.com coverage.

Maybe I'll come around to this point yet. Although NBC sports isn't yet on everyone's dial, very true - it's not like most of our games were on ESPN/ESPN2. It was either ESPNU, or the crappy Friday time slots.

I think all this about the ACC going to Fridays probably signals the end of ESPN's association with the BE anyway...
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Wrestling was awesome when I was younger. They actually did something novel, like showing the matches.

Nowadays, the entire show is like - wrestler walks up to the mike, blathers on with smack. Then the next one, and so on....

By the time they were done with that, there was enough time to show maybe one match.
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(05-26-2012 10:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  If we have 14 members at 8 conference games, that means:

56 conference football games
56 nonconference games

Of the 56 nonconference, some will be on the road. Assume 38 of them (67%) are home games. Of those 38 home games, assume 26 are against FBS competition.

So that's a legit TV inventory of 82 games. Max TV inventory of 94 games. Plus the conference title game.

Surely there are 13 compelling matchups out of 82 games for an NBC game of the week.

So make a list of 13. Then see if you can read the list with a straight face and say "These are ESPN-quality matchups." Because NBC certainly isn't going to pay big money to have worse matchups on a given Saturday afternoon or night than ESPN-U does.
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(05-26-2012 01:55 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 10:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  If we have 14 members at 8 conference games, that means:

56 conference football games
56 nonconference games

Of the 56 nonconference, some will be on the road. Assume 38 of them (67%) are home games. Of those 38 home games, assume 26 are against FBS competition.

So that's a legit TV inventory of 82 games. Max TV inventory of 94 games. Plus the conference title game.

Surely there are 13 compelling matchups out of 82 games for an NBC game of the week.

So make a list of 13. Then see if you can read the list with a straight face and say "These are ESPN-quality matchups." Because NBC certainly isn't going to pay big money to have worse matchups on a given Saturday afternoon or night than ESPN-U does.

Or they will show what? ....NBC will counter with lumberjack competitions?

Every week every network must counter program against the SEC games of that week. With a straight face, can you say every weeks Big-12 or ACC, or Pac-12 matchup is as good as the SEC match-up?

The Big East will be able to offer an interesting match-up every week. No, it wont be Texas vs Oklahoma, but its likely to spark more interest than Kansas vs Baylor (post RGIII).

Whatever the matchup, it will score at least half the SEC rating and thats around what they will be paying the Big East.....and it will kick the the lumberjack competitions axe (except in Oregon).
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(05-26-2012 02:09 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 01:55 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 10:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  If we have 14 members at 8 conference games, that means:

56 conference football games
56 nonconference games

Of the 56 nonconference, some will be on the road. Assume 38 of them (67%) are home games. Of those 38 home games, assume 26 are against FBS competition.

So that's a legit TV inventory of 82 games. Max TV inventory of 94 games. Plus the conference title game.

Surely there are 13 compelling matchups out of 82 games for an NBC game of the week.

So make a list of 13. Then see if you can read the list with a straight face and say "These are ESPN-quality matchups." Because NBC certainly isn't going to pay big money to have worse matchups on a given Saturday afternoon or night than ESPN-U does.

Or they will show what? ....NBC will counter with lumberjack competitions?

Every week every network must counter program against the SEC games of that week. With a straight face, can you say every weeks Big-12 or ACC, or Pac-12 matchup is as good as the SEC match-up?

The Big East will be able to place a an interesting match-up every week. No, it wont be Texas vs Oklahoma, but its likely to spark more interest than Kansas vs Baylor (post RGIII).

Whatever the matchup, it will score at least half the SEC rating and thats around what they will be paying the Big East.....and it will beat ax off the lumberjack competition (except in Oregon).

If they can get say 100,000 viewers with a lumberjack competition that they spend $50,000 for, that's $0.50 a viewer. That's actually more profitable than a football game that 500,000 people watch that they spend $2,000,000 for. That's $4 a viewer.

Will they show the Big East games? Probably--but not for power-conference prices.
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I like the idea of working with NBC and having and over the air game each week.
I know this sounds crazy but I find the SEC boring. I usually watch teams in my conference and other schools in the region.

I would watch SDSU-Boise State, Houston-SMU, UCF-Rutgers, or any other Big East game over your run of the mill SEC game. I will also watch Ohio State, Miami University, and Notre Dame. If its not the Big East I might check out a Big Ten game or even a PAC-12 matchup before moving over to CBS to watch the SEC because I prefer to watch offense over great defense.

Basketball season is the same thing. Besides my Bearcats, I will watch Big East games, Xavier, Dayton, Miami University, Ohio State, IU, Kentucky and maybe a MAC or Horizon game.

Are most fans like this?
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I love the idea of a Big East game of the week being aired every Saturday on the "main" NBC channel. I have no idea how realistic that is, but I'm not sure that it's totally outside the realm of possibility.

The first FB game of the season could be the Saturday of Labor Day weekend and the final FB game of the season would be the Big East Championship game the first Saturday of December.

Once FB season ended then it would switch to a Big East BB game every Saturday starting the second Saturday in December and culminating with the Big East Tournament championship game in March.

That would be over six straight months of Big East games of the week every Saturday on NBC.
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(05-26-2012 02:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  I love the idea of a Big East game of the week being aired every Saturday on the "main" NBC channel. I have no idea how realistic that is, but I'm not sure that it's totally outside the realm of possibility.

The first FB game of the season could be the Saturday of Labor Day weekend and the final FB game of the season would be the Big East Championship game the first Saturday of December.

Once FB season ended then it would switch to a Big East BB game every Saturday starting the second Saturday in December and culminating with the Big East Tournament championship game in March.

That would be over six straight months of Big East games of the week every Saturday on NBC.

You know that ESPiN is gonna fight for Big East hoops, right? Say what you will, but they love Big East basketball. Still, I'd rather see Big East hoops on NBC and CBS.
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1- CCG
2-Army at Navy
3-ND at AF
4-Ark at Rutgers
5-BYU at Hous
6-Mich at Conn
7-Mia at USF
8-So Car at UCF
9-TexT at SMU
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11-SoMiss at Boise
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13-OrgSt at SDST
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16-Army at Temple
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My biggest concern with NBC is after NBC and NBC sports where do the games go? ESPN has ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPN3, ESPN+, Big East Network.

For me this is a bigger concern during basketball season because ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU could have up to three or four Big East games on during any weeknight.

Fox doesn't have the national sports network to work with; however Fox is behind the Big Ten Network and starting a Big East Network could work too. Heck it doesn't have to be Fox it could be NBC, CBS, or ESPN.

CBS has CBS Sports Network but you are not breaking through on Saturday and moving the SEC from primetime.
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(05-26-2012 02:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 02:09 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 01:55 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 10:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  If we have 14 members at 8 conference games, that means:

56 conference football games
56 nonconference games

Of the 56 nonconference, some will be on the road. Assume 38 of them (67%) are home games. Of those 38 home games, assume 26 are against FBS competition.

So that's a legit TV inventory of 82 games. Max TV inventory of 94 games. Plus the conference title game.

Surely there are 13 compelling matchups out of 82 games for an NBC game of the week.

So make a list of 13. Then see if you can read the list with a straight face and say "These are ESPN-quality matchups." Because NBC certainly isn't going to pay big money to have worse matchups on a given Saturday afternoon or night than ESPN-U does.

Or they will show what? ....NBC will counter with lumberjack competitions?

Every week every network must counter program against the SEC games of that week. With a straight face, can you say every weeks Big-12 or ACC, or Pac-12 matchup is as good as the SEC match-up?

The Big East will be able to place a an interesting match-up every week. No, it wont be Texas vs Oklahoma, but its likely to spark more interest than Kansas vs Baylor (post RGIII).

Whatever the matchup, it will score at least half the SEC rating and thats around what they will be paying the Big East.....and it will beat ax off the lumberjack competition (except in Oregon).

If they can get say 100,000 viewers with a lumberjack competition that they spend $50,000 for, that's $0.50 a viewer. That's actually more profitable than a football game that 500,000 people watch that they spend $2,000,000 for. That's $4 a viewer.

Will they show the Big East games? Probably--but not for power-conference prices.

Thats true. I think I also said we would get about half the SEC ratings for about half the price.

A couple of factors for you to consider.

The ad rates for 100K viewers are SUBSTANTALLY less than for 500K viewers. Ad rates do not increase on a straight dollar for viewer rate. Shows with twice the viwership sell for much more than double the ad rate.

Second, this is a network nobody watches. Driving eyeballs to the network will help additional network programming. Lumberjack competitions will not drive eyeballs to the network.

Third, NBC intends to compete head to head with ESPN. They cant do that with junk programming. I think CBS sports (my opinion) is looking to position themselves as the low cost sports advertiser and will be very frugal with its spending from here on.

NBC will have to spend a significant amount just to land the Big East. But for a network looking to compete head to head with ESPN, they will have to protect this investment and grow with it. To do that, they will need to pay enough to stablilize the conference and allow enough exposure to build the Big Easts's national brand in football. Honestly, this contract is chump change and will offer pretty competetive programming at an incredibly cheap price.

The real expenses for NBC will be obtaining some professional sports rights to team with the college programming. Profesional sports rights costs are not even in the same universe. From a cost standpoint, we are lumberjack competions when compared to the NFL or MLB. The reality is, that even at ACC prices, the Big East, with 20 teams located in mostly large cities, and a national scope, offers an incredibly cheap fountain of solid programming to a start-up network like NBC-Sports.

Or, NBC can pass, and wait three more years and try for the C-USA contract which expires after 2016. The first CUSA programming for NBC would be available in 2017.
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(05-26-2012 03:02 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  My biggest concern with NBC is after NBC and NBC sports where do the games go? ESPN has ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPN3, ESPN+, Big East Network.

For me this is a bigger concern during basketball season because ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU could have up to three or four Big East games on during any weeknight.

Fox doesn't have the national sports network to work with; however Fox is behind the Big Ten Network and starting a Big East Network could work too. Heck it doesn't have to be Fox it could be NBC, CBS, or ESPN.

CBS has CBS Sports Network but you are not breaking through on Saturday and moving the SEC from primetime.

I think I heard it mentioned that they have other outlets. I beleive F/X was mentioned along with several others.
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(05-26-2012 02:35 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 02:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  I love the idea of a Big East game of the week being aired every Saturday on the "main" NBC channel. I have no idea how realistic that is, but I'm not sure that it's totally outside the realm of possibility.

The first FB game of the season could be the Saturday of Labor Day weekend and the final FB game of the season would be the Big East Championship game the first Saturday of December.

Once FB season ended then it would switch to a Big East BB game every Saturday starting the second Saturday in December and culminating with the Big East Tournament championship game in March.

That would be over six straight months of Big East games of the week every Saturday on NBC.

You know that ESPiN is gonna fight for Big East hoops, right? Say what you will, but they love Big East basketball. Still, I'd rather see Big East hoops on NBC and CBS.

ESPN could still have plenty of Big East hoops under this scenario. We're talking about one game per week on NBC. There are probably at least 20 Big East games per week during BB season.

CBS airs the SEC FB game of the week, but ESPN still carries plenty more SEC games.
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(05-26-2012 03:00 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  1- CCG
2-Army at Navy
3-ND at AF
4-Ark at Rutgers
5-BYU at Hous
6-Mich at Conn
7-Mia at USF
8-So Car at UCF
9-TexT at SMU
10-Army at AF
11-SoMiss at Boise
12-Purdue at Cin
13-OrgSt at SDST
14-MD at Conn
15-Baylor at SMU
16-Army at Temple

Excuse my ignorance, but what is CCG?
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(05-26-2012 05:04 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 03:00 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  1- CCG
2-Army at Navy
3-ND at AF
4-Ark at Rutgers
5-BYU at Hous
6-Mich at Conn
7-Mia at USF
8-So Car at UCF
9-TexT at SMU
10-Army at AF
11-SoMiss at Boise
12-Purdue at Cin
13-OrgSt at SDST
14-MD at Conn
15-Baylor at SMU
16-Army at Temple

Excuse my ignorance, but what is CCG?

Never mind. Conference championship game, I assume.
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Is it possible to give NBC the Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights, but the Tier 2 rights are shared between NBC Sports Network and ESPNU/ESPN2. Basically the pecking order is: NBC > NBC Sports Network > ESPN2/U > Big East Network?

96 games are available for grabs (144 total games (plus Hawaii and Championship Games) played cutting out 48 when you account for Big East vs. Big East teams)

14 Games on NBC (NBC Big East Game of the Week + Championship Game)
32 Games on NBC Sports Network (2 games a week annually with some weeknights thrown in and a tripleheader on occasion)
13 Games on ESPNU or ESPN2 (ESPN Big East Game of the Week)
38 Games on Big East Network
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(05-26-2012 05:03 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 02:35 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  
(05-26-2012 02:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  I love the idea of a Big East game of the week being aired every Saturday on the "main" NBC channel. I have no idea how realistic that is, but I'm not sure that it's totally outside the realm of possibility.

The first FB game of the season could be the Saturday of Labor Day weekend and the final FB game of the season would be the Big East Championship game the first Saturday of December.

Once FB season ended then it would switch to a Big East BB game every Saturday starting the second Saturday in December and culminating with the Big East Tournament championship game in March.

That would be over six straight months of Big East games of the week every Saturday on NBC.

You know that ESPiN is gonna fight for Big East hoops, right? Say what you will, but they love Big East basketball. Still, I'd rather see Big East hoops on NBC and CBS.

ESPN could still have plenty of Big East hoops under this scenario. We're talking about one game per week on NBC. There are probably at least 20 Big East games per week during BB season.

CBS airs the SEC FB game of the week, but ESPN still carries plenty more SEC games.

Yeah, that's a good point. 04-cheers
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(05-26-2012 03:02 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  My biggest concern with NBC is after NBC and NBC sports where do the games go? ESPN has ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPN3, ESPN+, Big East Network.

For me this is a bigger concern during basketball season because ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU could have up to three or four Big East games on during any weeknight.

Fox doesn't have the national sports network to work with; however Fox is behind the Big Ten Network and starting a Big East Network could work too. Heck it doesn't have to be Fox it could be NBC, CBS, or ESPN.

CBS has CBS Sports Network but you are not breaking through on Saturday and moving the SEC from primetime.

NBC would only have tier one, So you don't worry about them past that. Espn is just as likely to want tier 2 esp with BB. If you get some games on NBC over air it is huge. 2nd tier will be what it will be, it mostly is about the $$$, same for tier 3. No matter who you have tier 2 and 3 with, you will be behind the big 4 as to where your games are placed. With NBC you will be the big dog conf. They may actually want a pretty big piece for tier one so they have games both for network and NBC sports.
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