The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

Wow. Do you have a link? If true, it's obviously a money grab. Notre Dame is a shell of its former self as far as fielding a competitive team. They're still decent, but they're probably one of the most marketable brands in college football.

(05-24-2012 08:06 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

My question is why this would this surprise anybody? Seriously. And where is the link stating the ACC is working with ND to try and secure a bowl agreement?

(05-24-2012 08:06 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

lol

I heard this on the radio (about the ACC talking to ND about a bowl arrangement), I think it might have been during a Wetzel interview???

(05-24-2012 08:30 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:06 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

lol

Agree with Oceana Tiger - The gap is about the same as it has been.

The gap between C-USA and the Big East isn't as wide as some folks want to believe.

(05-24-2012 08:30 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:06 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

lol

I don't think there is much football difference right now. Heck we beat the Big East champion (Louisville) at their place last year as did FIU.There is no doubt the gap is closing and closing fast. As soon as Louisville and one or more of the others in Rutgers, UConn etc. leave for the ACC the football perception will be totally gone as will the TV dollars.

(05-24-2012 08:30 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:06 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

lol

It's true, UTSA, ODU, UNCC football are pretty much there with Boise State.

Right now the ACC has much bigger problems then their bowl lineup...as with FSU, Clemson and Miami all making "pretty eyes" towards Austin.

So what's the contingency plan if ND is not bowl eligible?

(05-24-2012 08:36 AM)Yes I Am A Pirate Wrote:  The gap between C-USA and the Big East isn't as wide as some folks want to believe.

That's exactly right. When you look at it solely on a football perspective, there is very little gap between the top football teams of CUSA and the Big East. For the longterm I like where CUSA sits and this is where I want to be.

(05-24-2012 08:38 AM)CorporateRobot Wrote:  So what's the contingency plan if ND is not bowl eligible?

Play the highest rank "At Large" opponent.

(05-24-2012 08:36 AM)Comet Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:30 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:06 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

lol

It's true, UTSA, ODU, UNCC football are pretty much there with Boise State.

Maybe notbwith Boise, but easily there with Memphis and SMU

(05-24-2012 08:36 AM)Comet Wrote:  It's true, UTSA, ODU, UNCC football are pretty much there with Mempiss

FTFY

And even larger problems the Big East has, with UConn, Louisville, and Rutgers looking to flee....

ECU lifetime vs Boise State, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, Navy, Rutgers, San Diego State, SMU, South Florida, Temple, and UCF:

57 wins, 35 losses (.620)

ECU lifetime vs Charlotte, FIU, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, North Texas, ODU, Rice, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTEP, UTSA:

52 wins, 50 losses (.510)

From our perspective, C-USA 3.0 is much tougher than the nBE!

(Of course, more than half of our C-USA 3.0 losses are to Southern Miss, so take it FWIW :secret:)

(05-24-2012 08:32 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:30 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:06 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

lol

Agree with Oceana Tiger - The gap is about the same as it has been.

There will always be a gap in money. But tell me how many schools in the nBE are the flagship schools of their state? Maybe UConn? Most of the schools in the nBE are the 3rd or 4th or 5th school in their own state or lower in the cases of some. How many schools in the ACC are the flagship schools of their state? I can think of at least a few: UNC, Maryland, Virginia, and then you have a ton of #2's Florida State or Miami, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Clemson, NC State, and some top flight privates. I can easily see why the ACC does not want to associate themsevles with the nBE.

(05-24-2012 08:36 AM)Comet Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:30 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 08:06 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame are working on an agreement for the ACC Champ to play Notre Dame annually in the Orange Bowl, a BCS bowl of course. This effectively takes the Nbe out of a prestige bowl, a second major loss in addition to losing AQ status. It is also a message that the ACC really doesn't want to match its top teams against the Nbe. Do you really think Miami wants to play UCF in a major bowl? Pitt wants to play Temple in a major bowl?

The Nbe's goals and perceptions are not meeting reality. Regarding bowls, my guess is that ACC will attempt to set up bowl matchups against the expanded SEC-14, the expanded B12/14/16 whatever, and the PAC-12 (like the Sun Bowl). There is no doubt in my mind that the Nbe will lose the Champs Bowl, the Charlotte Bowl, and the Pinstripe Bowl.

The Nbe has made a full circle. The solution is for cooperation between the Nbe-12/14 whatever and the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The reality of the situation is that the Nbe has fallen further behind, much further behind the BCS. The reality of the situation is that the gap between CUSA/MWC and Nbe is significantly closed.

lol

It's true, UTSA, ODU, UNCC football are pretty much there with Boise State.

C-USA's expansion was market-based.

Quote:It's true, UTSA, ODU, UNCC football are pretty much there with Boise State.

Yes, all four could hang 80 on memphis.