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RE: And the MSJ endorses...Walker
If public employees can do better in the private sector, let them.
If they can't, they have no complaint.
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(05-24-2012 11:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What is your problem with collective bargaining? Other than it raises costs.

That's a blatant misrepresentation of the issues.. The problem is not with the concept of collective bargaining. The problem is allowing state/federal workers because the relationship between those groups and their employers is far different that exist in the private sector.


Quote:Should public employees just take what boards offer?

Yes

Quote:They are balancing the books on public employees backs.

Ignoring the recent history of balancing in property tax payers. Public sector workers now make as much, if not more, in pay and benefits than private sector workers.

Quote:We didn't cause this recession.

Nope... But you have tied the hands of states and local governments so that they could not adjust to the recession.

Quote:Freeze salaries.

Which was loudly objected to until walker pointed a gun at collective bargaining... Because at that point the Unions realized that they could take a four year freeze and then soak the next guy.

Hell they were not even willing to let school boards put health care coverage up for competitive bidding, they wanted only the union owned insurance company (no conflict there right) to cover them.

Quote:Don't pass laws that cripple unions.

The Union has spent decades bringing this on themselves.

Quote:Funny how Kasich said he needed SB 5 for the economy to improve. Ohio's seems to be moving forward. Could this assault on public unions just be a political play?

Or, he was just wrong and really believed that allowing the state to have some power over its employees could move things along better... no he must be evil.
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(05-24-2012 11:43 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The left isn't going to lose this election. We are always a step ahead of you righties, and this case is no different. Whether Walker stays or goes, the left has won.

Horse 01-scout.

You boldly told all of us Walker was toast and would lose the recall.

No, Governor Walker's tireless actions to strike down the union power grab will be 100% VINDICATED by his constituents and elevate Wisconsin to greater economic freedom.

Unions = history.

UMGrad = blowhard jack@ss that once again gets it handed to him.

Look at this as the appetizer before your humongus serving of crow coming at you in early November.

Bon appetit, chump.
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(05-24-2012 11:51 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(05-24-2012 11:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What is your problem with collective bargaining?

Gov't employees have abused the system by voting in blocs that allow them to control both sides of the bartaining table.

Quote: Should public employees just take what boards offer?

Yes.

Quote: They are balancing the books on public employees backs.

Uh, so what? They're the ones who unbalanced the books. Besides, it's not like they're becoming impoverished. They're just losing some of their Cadillac benefits plans.

Quote: We didn't cause this recession.

You're wrong about that. Gov't contributed a lot to this. You'll never get a correct answer until you start w/ the correct premises and facts.

Quote: Freeze salaries. Don't pass laws that cripple unions. Funny how Kasich said he needed SB 5 for the economy to improve. Ohio's seems to be moving forward.

Funny how the left said that the world would end when all those local gov't employees got laid off. Guess it cuts both ways.

But, Ohio is far from out of the woods yet. I suspect they'll take a hit very soon, b/c they've got so few investments that can grow, and you can only sell off assets so many times.

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Ohio_state_budget
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Our worst-case scenario is we only take back the senate, let the investigations around Walker play out, and beat him next time during the regular election. There is no bad outcome for us.
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Does anyone else see the irony in protecting the 1% and public union attacks. How on one hand you can defend the top 1% and deride the politics of class warfare and in the very next breath ***** about public employees and their cadillac benefits. I don't get it.
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(05-24-2012 01:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Does anyone else see the irony in protecting the 1% and public union attacks. How on one hand you can defend the top 1% and deride the politics of class warfare and in the very next breath ***** about public employees and their cadillac benefits. I don't get it.

Nope. Who's protecting the 1%, and what does that even mean?

In the end, the middle class has been forced to overpay b/c of gov't service unions. Forced, b/c unlike other products like ****** GM cars, citizens can't just shop elsewhere for their gov't services.

You claim to be such a staunch supporter of the middle class, yet you delight in the institutions that are destroying them. There's some irony there if you're interested.
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(05-24-2012 01:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Does anyone else see the irony in protecting the 1% and public union attacks. How on one hand you can defend the top 1% and deride the politics of class warfare and in the very next breath ***** about public employees and their cadillac benefits. I don't get it.

Most people here were against the bailouts to business owned by the top 1%.... The 'protecting' of the top 1% here is mostly people acknowledging that taxing them 3% more, or 10% more will do little to nothing to take care of the debt

Then there is the fact I don't have to buy a product provided by the top 1%... I do have to pay public sector unions.
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And the MSJ endorses...Walker
(05-24-2012 01:21 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Our worst-case scenario is we only take back the senate, let the investigations around Walker play out, and beat him next time during the regular election. There is no bad outcome for us.

Yeah. Cause your predictions about what's going on in WI have proved to be so accurate so far. Why would anyone doubt you? LOL!

Though it's funny how your mind works. Let's take back the Senate so we can bring baseless investigations against Walker. You're so corrupt.
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(05-24-2012 01:21 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Our worst-case scenario is we only take back the senate, let the investigations around Walker play out, and beat him next time during the regular election. There is no bad outcome for us.

I think Gaius Terentius Varro said something similar.
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(05-24-2012 01:50 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(05-24-2012 01:21 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Our worst-case scenario is we only take back the senate, let the investigations around Walker play out, and beat him next time during the regular election. There is no bad outcome for us.

Yeah. Cause your predictions about what's going on in WI have proved to be so accurate so far. Why would anyone doubt you? LOL!

Though it's funny how your mind works. Let's take back the Senate so we can bring baseless investigations against Walker. You're so corrupt.

Mr. Clueless, the investigations are already going on. They are criminal investigations, not political. Try to keep up.
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I'm well aware of the investigations that haven't yielded any evidence of wrong doing by Walker.

And don't act as though scumbag dems like you wouldn't do all they could to falsely accuse him. It's the reason you want the Senate back. So you can attempt to destroy him with false allegations.

You are corrupt.
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(05-24-2012 08:58 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I read it. It makes me sick to my stomach. That's my comment.

Yeah, what about all of this?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/h...?nopager=1

Quote:The reforms have proven so successful that the Democrats seeking to unseat Walker seldom mention them. That’s significant. The ostensible reason to recall Walker was his restrictions on collective bargaining. And yet when Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett won the Democratic recall primary on May 8, he never mentioned collective bargaining in his victory speech.

So Democrats are seeking to recall Walker but are avoiding the issue that triggered the recall in the first place.


Barrett won the Democratic primary on May 8, handily defeating Kathleen Falk (58-34 percent), former Dane County executive and a Madison liberal who was backed by organized labor.


Quote:Unions and their backers have marched on Walker’s personal residence in Wauwatosa. His wife has been subjected to repeated verbal harassment. His sons have been targeted on Facebook. Walker himself has been compared to a variety of terrorists and, of course, to Adolf Hitler. He long ago stopped eating out at restaurants and has stepped up security for all of his public appearances.

Kristi LaCroix, a Kenosha teacher who appeared in a pro-Walker ad supporting the reforms, received so many threats that she later said she wished she’d never done the ad. When a student at Two Rivers High School showed up at school wearing a pro-Walker T-shirt, the head of the school’s technical education program, who is also the chairman of the local teachers’ union, sent an email to the business that produced the T-shirt noting that the company does business with the school and threatening a “loss of profits.”

Another Walker staffer returned home one day to find his dog defecating blood. The veterinarian who treated the dog—at a cost of $1,500—told him the most likely culprit was a high dose of rat poison,
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Quote:Unions and their backers have marched on Walker’s personal residence in Wauwatosa. His wife has been subjected to repeated verbal harassment. His sons have been targeted on Facebook. Walker himself has been compared to a variety of terrorists and, of course, to Adolf Hitler. He long ago stopped eating out at restaurants and has stepped up security for all of his public appearances.

Kristi LaCroix, a Kenosha teacher who appeared in a pro-Walker ad supporting the reforms, received so many threats that she later said she wished she’d never done the ad.

Another Walker staffer returned home one day to find his dog defecating blood. The veterinarian who treated the dog—at a cost of $1,500—told him the most likely culprit was a high dose of rat poison.

These must all be lies. Only teabaggers are violent and use intimidation tactics. [Image: emrolleyes15.gif]
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(05-24-2012 02:30 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  I'm well aware of the investigations that haven't yielded any evidence of wrong doing by Walker.

And don't act as though scumbag dems like you wouldn't do all they could to falsely accuse him. It's the reason you want the Senate back. So you can attempt to destroy him with false allegations.

You are corrupt.
So how do you know that they haven't yielded ANY evidence of wrong doing? Did Rush Limburger tell you that? Did you ever think that they might be keeping the investigation under wraps? Oh wait. I said "Did you ever think". Never mind, that is just something you don't/can't do.
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(05-25-2012 08:14 AM)RobertN Wrote:  So how do you know that they haven't yielded ANY evidence of wrong doing? Did Rush Limburger tell you that? Did you ever think that they might be keeping the investigation under wraps?

The DA's office that has been running the investigation has been leaking info to the press from day one. If they had anything they would have leaked it in hopes of hurting Walker during the recall.

Quote:Oh wait. I said "Did you ever think". Never mind, that is just something you don't/can't do.

It's so cute when you say things like this. It's almost like you truly believe you're not a card carrying moron who lacks the most basic intelligence. Maybe you do. Delusions and stupidity many times go hand and hand from what I've heard.

Robert you are far and away the least intelligent poster on these boards. You prove that each time you post. You're a failure in life so you come here to try and make yourself feel better. I don't begrudge you that. But let's not pretend you're actually smart. You know, deep down, that you're not.
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(05-25-2012 08:51 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 08:14 AM)RobertN Wrote:  So how do you know that they haven't yielded ANY evidence of wrong doing? Did Rush Limburger tell you that? Did you ever think that they might be keeping the investigation under wraps?

The DA's office that has been running the investigation has been leaking info to the press from day one. If they had anything they would have leaked it in hopes of hurting Walker during the recall.

Quote:Oh wait. I said "Did you ever think". Never mind, that is just something you don't/can't do.

It's so cute when you say things like this. It's almost like you truly believe you're not a card carrying moron who lacks the most basic intelligence. Maybe you do. Delusions and stupidity many times go hand and hand from what I've heard.

Robert you are far and away the least intelligent poster on these boards. You prove that each time you post. You're a failure in life so you come here to try and make yourself feel better. I don't begrudge you that. But let's not pretend you're actually smart. You know, deep down, that you're not.
03-lmfao So the DA is a partisan hack and is out to get Walker. Got that tin foil hat on?

As for the part about saying that I am the dumbest person on this board is an outright lie. You are by far more ignorant than I am but you still have a way to go to catch SOAF, Liberty and Torchy(you are closing that gap with every post).
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(05-25-2012 09:21 AM)RobertN Wrote:  So the DA is a partisan hack and is out to get Walker. Got that tin foil hat on?

Poor, stupid Robert.

First, idiot, DA's office is not just the DA. I know you're too stupid to understand, but more than one person works in the DA's office.

Second, 43 in the DA's office signed the recall petition

Third, the Chief Investigator in the case had Recall Walker sign in his yard

Fourth Daniel Bice at the MJS has been publishing leaked information for months. This is a John Doe investigation, which means that any evidence or information obtained is supposed to be secret. Since you're stupid I'll dumb it down for you. Secret means it shouldn't be leaked.

So it's not a conspiracy theory that information has been leaked. It's a fact. If you weren't so ignorant you'd have known that.

Quote:As for the part about saying that I am the dumbest person on this board is an outright lie. You are by far more ignorant than I am

LOL! You're so cute when you lie through your face like that. Robert you can't even participate in a simple discussion about this case. You ran like a coward from the discussion on Greece cause you are too stupid to participate in it.

Run away again from this one now that you've once again proved your ignorance.
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(05-25-2012 09:42 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(05-25-2012 09:21 AM)RobertN Wrote:  So the DA is a partisan hack and is out to get Walker. Got that tin foil hat on?
Poor, stupid Robert.
First, idiot, DA's office is not just the DA. I know you're too stupid to understand, but more than one person works in the DA's office.
Second, 43 in the DA's office signed the recall petition
Third, the Chief Investigator in the case had Recall Walker sign in his yard
Fourth Daniel Bice at the MJS has been publishing leaked information for months. This is a John Doe investigation, which means that any evidence or information obtained is supposed to be secret. Since you're stupid I'll dumb it down for you. Secret means it shouldn't be leaked.
So it's not a conspiracy theory that information has been leaked. It's a fact. If you weren't so ignorant you'd have known that.

It's not a conspiracy because nobody is conspiring. They're totally open about their prejudices, as you note.
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