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Quote:It's hard to tell what's more digusting: That Rev. Charles Worley of North Carolina is preaching about rounding up gays and lesbians and putting them behind an electrified fence to die out, or the fact that he has a congregation cheering him on.
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(05-22-2012 11:41 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/...ces/52633/

Quote:It's hard to tell what's more digusting: That Rev. Charles Worley of North Carolina is preaching about rounding up gays and lesbians and putting them behind an electrified fence to die out, or the fact that he has a congregation cheering him on.

Can't listen at work but if that is what he is saying than no, it's not defense-able.
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(05-22-2012 11:41 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/...ces/52633/

Quote:It's hard to tell what's more digusting: That Rev. Charles Worley of North Carolina is preaching about rounding up gays and lesbians and putting them behind an electrified fence to die out, or the fact that he has a congregation cheering him on.

Seen anyone here advocating it? If not, why the hell are you asking us?
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Wouldn't the gays switch preference long enough to ensure population continues? Nut jobs like Worely are usually short on common sense, as well as many other things.
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(05-22-2012 12:17 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 11:41 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/...ces/52633/

Quote:It's hard to tell what's more digusting: That Rev. Charles Worley of North Carolina is preaching about rounding up gays and lesbians and putting them behind an electrified fence to die out, or the fact that he has a congregation cheering him on.

Seen anyone here advocating it? If not, why the hell are you asking us?

It's nice for us all to agree on something now and again.
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(05-22-2012 12:17 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 11:41 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/...ces/52633/

Quote:It's hard to tell what's more digusting: That Rev. Charles Worley of North Carolina is preaching about rounding up gays and lesbians and putting them behind an electrified fence to die out, or the fact that he has a congregation cheering him on.

Seen anyone here advocating it? If not, why the hell are you asking us?
Well, given a chance Mr. "Bible thumper" Liberty and Torchy will.
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(05-22-2012 12:22 PM)zyxwvutsru Wrote:  Wouldn't the gays switch preference long enough to ensure population continues? Nut jobs like Worely are usually short on common sense, as well as many other things.

You think homosexuality is inherited from other gays or..?

Quote:Seen anyone here advocating it? If not, why the hell are you asking us?

You, and I mean that as specifically *YOU*, have no issue projecting what you think Liberals believe in at any chance you get regardless of whether or not anyone here has ever stated that belief, yet you make this post?

Seriously?
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(05-22-2012 12:22 PM)zyxwvutsru Wrote:  Wouldn't the gays switch preference long enough to ensure population continues? Nut jobs like Worely are usually short on common sense, as well as many other things.

You think homosexuality is inherited from other gays or..?

If sexuality is inborn and fixed at birth (the popular theory on the left) then there is certainly a genetic component. Not a 1:1, few characteristics are that simple, but there would certainly be a set of genetic markers.

Of course if sexuality is made up only in part by some weighting value and thus also due in part to the environment then all bets are off...
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(05-22-2012 01:04 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You, and I mean that as specifically *YOU*, have no issue projecting what you think Liberals believe in at any chance you get regardless of whether or not anyone here has ever stated that belief, yet you make this post?

Seriously?

I don't HAVE to project anything about liberals. They state it EVERY SINGLE GDAMN DAY! Never ONCE have I heard anyone here propose eradicating gays.
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Yeaaaaah!!!!!! Maybe we could sew large G's on their clothing so that they are more easily identifiable. Ship them off to gay "work" camps where they will be safer and better taken care of.
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(05-22-2012 01:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Maybe we could sew large G's on their clothing so that they are more easily identifiable.

Nah, their pink Spandex pants can be seen from farther distances away.
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(05-22-2012 01:09 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 01:04 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You, and I mean that as specifically *YOU*, have no issue projecting what you think Liberals believe in at any chance you get regardless of whether or not anyone here has ever stated that belief, yet you make this post?

Seriously?

I don't HAVE to project anything about liberals. They state it EVERY SINGLE GDAMN DAY! Never ONCE have I heard anyone here propose eradicating gays.

I don't see the liberals on this board stating the things you claim they do, either be consistent or admit you're a hypocrite, because you're doing exactly that right now.

Quote:If sexuality is inborn and fixed at birth (the popular theory on the left) then there is certainly a genetic component. Not a 1:1, few characteristics are that simple, but there would certainly be a set of genetic markers.

Of course if sexuality is made up only in part by some weighting value and thus also due in part to the environment then all bets are off...

Genetic markers like this are really far more complicated than that, and while I'm far from an expert in genetics/heritability, I do know that the more we learn about genetics the more we learn how little they control at the macro level. We can predict eye/hair color or other trivial traits like that, but more complex issues involve so many other factors, it's hard to imagine ever being able to fully understand all of them.

Just for instance, the single strongest indicator of whether or not a male will be gay is how many sons their mother has carried to term before him. It's that simple; if your mother has had multiple sons before you, you're more likely to be gay for each son she's had up until a certain point where it evens out (I think it's 4-5 sons). And we're not talking a small amount here, either, we're talking on the order of 30-45% higher chance per additional son. That's just one of the few indicators we understand, it's theorized it occurs in the mothers immune system gaining ability to fight the foreign male body with each son, but which only can account for 7-10% of all homosexuals.

Add in environmental and epigenetic modification (differences in organisms which cannot be attributed to DNA aka: why identical twins aren't actually identical), and it's a crap shoot, really.
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(05-22-2012 01:43 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't see the liberals on this board stating the things you claim they do, either be consistent or admit you're a hypocrite, because you're doing exactly that right now.

Correction: It's in THIS thread:

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=571313

...and if you can't see that the damn liberals there are supporting the things I said they supported, you're blind as hell. They CONSTANTLY want more and more big government. It's not like it's some Gdamn state secret.
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They might be supporting some of the policies you claim they do, but that doesn't mean you're at all accurately describing any of their views. The two are not at all the same, lest I say YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE THAT'S WHY YOU WANT TO GET RID OF WELFARE, which I wouldn't because it's an inaccurate statement of your views (or a random conservatives views, it's not important).

In short, you're being a hypocrite, and your posts should just be ignored as they are needlessly divisive and pointless.
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(05-22-2012 01:57 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  They might be supporting some of the policies you claim they do, but that doesn't mean you're at all accurately describing any of their views. The two are not at all the same, lest I say YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE THAT'S WHY YOU WANT TO GET RID OF WELFARE, which I wouldn't because it's an inaccurate statement of your views (or a random conservatives views, it's not important).

In short, you're being a hypocrite, and your posts should just be ignored as they are needlessly divisive and pointless.

Why would you infer that welfare is a program for black people? Seems like you are the real racist here. Are blacks not capable of obtaining gainful employment in your eyes?
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(05-22-2012 01:43 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
Quote:If sexuality is inborn and fixed at birth (the popular theory on the left) then there is certainly a genetic component. Not a 1:1, few characteristics are that simple, but there would certainly be a set of genetic markers.

Of course if sexuality is made up only in part by some weighting value and thus also due in part to the environment then all bets are off...

Genetic markers like this are really far more complicated than that

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo <shock>

Quote:and while I'm far from an expert in genetics/heritability

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo <shock>

Quote:I do know that the more we learn about genetics the more we learn how little they control at the macro level.

um no..

the more we learn the more we know that every aspect of who we are is both nurture and nature. Aside from outliers nothing is just one or the other.

Quote:We can predict eye/hair color or other trivial traits like that

"All traits—from 'biological' traits like hair color and height to complex 'psychological' traits like intelligence—are caused by dependent interactions of genes and environments," David S. Moore Phd

You can't even get that right...

We know approximately what color someones hair might be baeed on a subset of gene paired but the world they live in will push it in one of several directions.

Quote:but more complex issues involve so many other factors

All factors, but thanks for playing.

Quote:it's hard to imagine ever being able to fully understand all of them.

Never said it would be, I said their would be Genetic indicators, and unless you're strikingly obtuse you know I mean indicators of disposition not outcome.

Quote:Just for instance, the single strongest indicator of whether or not a male will be gay is how many sons their mother has carried to term before him.

I can't tell if this is a hypothetical or not. Is this just you making a case or is this some kind of statistical anomaly you're pointing at?

Quote:That's just one of the few indicators we understand, it's theorized it occurs in the mothers immune system gaining ability to fight the foreign male body with each son, but which only can account for 7-10% of all homosexuals.

But *nothing* outside the womb could shape this right?
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(05-22-2012 02:13 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 01:57 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  They might be supporting some of the policies you claim they do, but that doesn't mean you're at all accurately describing any of their views. The two are not at all the same, lest I say YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE THAT'S WHY YOU WANT TO GET RID OF WELFARE, which I wouldn't because it's an inaccurate statement of your views (or a random conservatives views, it's not important).

In short, you're being a hypocrite, and your posts should just be ignored as they are needlessly divisive and pointless.

Why would you infer that welfare is a program for black people? Seems like you are the real racist here. Are blacks not capable of obtaining gainful employment in your eyes?

I would expect an administrator to be able to have the ability for at least some half decent back-and-forth, but I guess that would be expect too much.

Quote:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo <shock>

No need to be a dick, I certainly wasn't intended to be, just sharing some knowledge I have that the average person doesn't considering I'm back in school working on getting Biomedical Sciences degree and going to PA school. Like I said, I'm not an expert, so if you know something I don't, please inform me.

Quote:um no..

the more we learn the more we know that every aspect of who we are is both nurture and nature. Aside from outliers nothing is just one or the other.

Terms like nurture v. nature aren't really relevant when we're discussing the factors of heritability that I was. My point is that we don't even understand all of the genetic factors for many diseases, like cancer or parkinsons, so using genetic markers (or nature? i guess you would say) to ascribe personality traits or choice of sexuality is *WAY* off.

Quote:"All traits—from 'biological' traits like hair color and height to complex 'psychological' traits like intelligence—are caused by dependent interactions of genes and environments," David S. Moore Phd

You can't even get that right...

We know approximately what color someones hair might be baeed on a subset of gene paired but the world they live in will push it in one of several directions.

You make this post as if it makes my post wrong somehow, when it clearly doesn't. Environmental factors can be anything from nutrition to exposure to radiation, so of course those are factors in every expression of ones genes. However, the genotypes can almost assuredly be predicted for such things like hair and eye color, and while the persons phenotype can't be as accurately predicted (though it really can in this day and age), that's mostly irrelevant to the discussion of heritability in the context we were having it in.

Quote:I can't tell if this is a hypothetical or not. Is this just you making a case or is this some kind of statistical anomaly you're pointing at?

No, it's been very well documented, and it was simply being used to show the vast and widely varied possible causes for homosexuality.


Quote:But *nothing* outside the womb could shape this right?

Never claimed that, nor would I ever. For the record, I'm not really sure what's with your dick attitude towards me in this thread, considering I was nothing but polite. But, if you want to get all science-y in here, let's do the damn thing. I could use a break from Organic Chem studying to refresh myself on embryology and genetics.
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Quote:But *nothing* outside the womb could shape this right?

Never claimed that, nor would I ever. For the record, I'm not really sure what's with your dick attitude towards me in this thread, considering I was nothing but polite. But, if you want to get all science-y in here, let's do the damn thing. I could use a break from Organic Chem studying to refresh myself on embryology and genetics.

So when I said there would be Genetic markers I was right (never said we would 'test' for them). Also when I said that the left's claim that people are born gay is hogwash I was also correct..

why the hell did you even engage me on this if you agreed with me?
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(05-22-2012 02:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  For the record, I'm not really sure what's with your dick attitude towards me in this thread, considering I was nothing but polite.

I see you've met Bull...
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(05-22-2012 02:42 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 02:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
Quote:But *nothing* outside the womb could shape this right?

Never claimed that, nor would I ever. For the record, I'm not really sure what's with your dick attitude towards me in this thread, considering I was nothing but polite. But, if you want to get all science-y in here, let's do the damn thing. I could use a break from Organic Chem studying to refresh myself on embryology and genetics.

So when I said there would be Genetic markers I was right (never said we would 'test' for them). Also when I said that the left's claim that people are born gay is hogwash I was also correct..

why the hell did you even engage me on this if you agreed with me?

The first statement; it's possible there are, we just don't have the ability to know yet. It's almost assured that there non-genetic factors involved (the in-utero example I gave), and like markers for things such as cancer/parkinsons, the markers would likely just result in a higher likelihood of someone being homosexual and wouldn't mean you should go ahead and start stockpiling Lady GaGa albums. And again, that's if they do exist.

The second statement; not sure where you're getting that at. Just because environmental factors have the ability to modify gene expression, that doesn't mean it will in all cases, nor does it change the genes themselves. For example, your genotype might have resulted in you having a significantly higher IQ, however those paint chips you consumed as a child resulted in a phenotype which does not express those genes in that manner. Just because it can, doesn't mean it will.
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