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RIAA craps on the Constitution
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I think the kid was stealing and he knew he was stealing and he knew he was helping others steal. My opinion my not be popular but there's a reason why record companies charge people for the music they sell.
05-21-2012 07:48 PM
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(05-21-2012 07:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I think the kid was stealing and he knew he was stealing and he knew he was helping others steal. My opinion my not be popular but there's a reason why record companies charge people for the music they sell.

I don't think it's the law but the fines in question here...
05-21-2012 07:49 PM
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(05-21-2012 07:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 07:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I think the kid was stealing and he knew he was stealing and he knew he was helping others steal. My opinion my not be popular but there's a reason why record companies charge people for the music they sell.

I don't think it's the law but the fines in question here...

Don't fines have to have a legal basis? The fine is pretty high but then again, so are some of the judgements we see in civil suits where a person spills coffee on herself and wins the lottery. This guy needs to spill some hot coffee on himself.
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(05-21-2012 07:54 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 07:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 07:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I think the kid was stealing and he knew he was stealing and he knew he was helping others steal. My opinion my not be popular but there's a reason why record companies charge people for the music they sell.

I don't think it's the law but the fines in question here...

Don't fines have to have a legal basis? The fine is pretty high but then again, so are some of the judgements we see in civil suits where a person spills coffee on herself and wins the lottery. This guy needs to spill some hot coffee on himself.

I really wish people would stop using that example in their arguments because that case was nowhere near as simple as you make it out to be, nor was the outcome what you claim it was.

Not to mention, these aren't civil judgments, these are fines levied by our government to protect their interests. I can't say I really agree with using our federal government for that purpose, make them sue them in civil court like any other private company trying to protect their intellectual property (any lawyers correct me if I'm wrong on that, but I'm fairly sure that's accurate)
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(05-21-2012 07:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I think the kid was stealing and he knew he was stealing and he knew he was helping others steal. My opinion my not be popular but there's a reason why record companies charge people for the music they sell.

$675,000 for downloading 31 songs sounds like very cruel and unusual punishment to me ...............

Quote:The Eighth Amendment (Amendment VIII) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights prohibiting the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines or cruel and unusual punishments. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that this amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause applies to the states. The phrases employed originated in the English Bill of Rights of 1689.

Quote:The Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause
Some punishments are forbidden entirely by the Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause. The test to determine if a punishment is banned by the Eighth Amendment was laid out in Furman v. Georgia,

The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion.
A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society.
A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary.
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I agree the fine is too high, but it wasn't simply for downloading the songs. He also made them available for others to download.
05-21-2012 10:53 PM
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(05-21-2012 10:30 PM)Cletus Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 07:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I think the kid was stealing and he knew he was stealing and he knew he was helping others steal. My opinion my not be popular but there's a reason why record companies charge people for the music they sell.

$675,000 for downloading 31 songs sounds like very cruel and unusual punishment to me ...............

Quote:The Eighth Amendment (Amendment VIII) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights prohibiting the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines or cruel and unusual punishments. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that this amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause applies to the states. The phrases employed originated in the English Bill of Rights of 1689.

Quote:The Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause
Some punishments are forbidden entirely by the Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause. The test to determine if a punishment is banned by the Eighth Amendment was laid out in Furman v. Georgia,

The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion.
A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society.
A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary.

You make a good case, but the Supreme Court sees things differently. If you agree that illegal file sharing should be punished, then the only thing we need to agree on is how severely.
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Quote:You make a good case, but the Supreme Court sees things differently. If you agree that illegal file sharing should be punished, then the only thing we need to agree on is how severely.

Well SCOTUS didn't rule on it, so it hasn't really been settled for sure. It's not as if these sorts of fines are going to go away.
05-22-2012 01:00 AM
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(05-21-2012 10:30 PM)Cletus Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 07:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I think the kid was stealing and he knew he was stealing and he knew he was helping others steal. My opinion my not be popular but there's a reason why record companies charge people for the music they sell.

$675,000 for downloading 31 songs sounds like very cruel and unusual punishment to me ...............

Quote:The Eighth Amendment (Amendment VIII) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights prohibiting the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines or cruel and unusual punishments. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that this amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause applies to the states. The phrases employed originated in the English Bill of Rights of 1689.

Quote:The Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause
Some punishments are forbidden entirely by the Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause. The test to determine if a punishment is banned by the Eighth Amendment was laid out in Furman v. Georgia,

The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion.
A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society.
A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary.

He also shared the song with countless others right?
05-22-2012 07:20 AM
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Guess who was running the RIAA at the time they were suing everyone and anyone?

Hilary Rosen, the militant Lesbian Obama Advisor who also brought us that slut Sandra Fluke.
05-22-2012 08:37 AM
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(05-22-2012 08:37 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Guess who was running the RIAA at the time they were suing everyone and anyone?

Hilary Rosen, the militant Lesbian Obama Advisor who also brought us that slut Sandra Fluke.

Why is she a slut?
05-22-2012 10:36 AM
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I don't think she was getting that much myself. She just portrayed herself as a slut trying to compensate for her own perceived shortcomings.
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Did I miss something? How did she portray herself as a slut? She's a 30 year old grad student who wanted support for birth control. You can say you shouldn't pay for that or that she has no right to ask for that to be paid for, that's all just different opinions on the role of government, but to call her a slut because she would like birth control paid for is akin to calling the overwhelming majority of all women in the US 'sluts'. Including a fair amount of posters daughters, for that matter.
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She claimed she needed several thousand dollars worth a year.

That was the whole controversy with Rush and others. It was tongue-in-cheek. She inadvertently portrayed herself as having sex several times a day. No one believed that. That is her problem, she needs to go get laid.
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(05-22-2012 11:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  She claimed she needed several thousand dollars worth a year.

That was the whole controversy with Rush and others. It was tongue-in-cheek. She inadvertently portrayed herself as having sex several times a day. No one believed that. That is her problem, she needs to go get laid.

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She's busy complaining with other dim-witted college women that they can't afford...

to walk next door to the clinic and get free birth control.
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Even if she was obviously trying to make a point and the numbers didn't work out, that doesn't make her a slut. I guess I have a hard time with the whole public shaming thing.
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(05-22-2012 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Even if she was obviously trying to make a point and the numbers didn't work out, that doesn't make her a slut. I guess I have a hard time with the whole public shaming thing.

Kinda like disagreeing with Obama and being called a racist for it. The only difference between Fluck and obama is Fluke might kiss you before she ***** you.
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(05-22-2012 03:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Even if she was obviously trying to make a point and the numbers didn't work out, that doesn't make her a slut. I guess I have a hard time with the whole public shaming thing.

Kinda like disagreeing with Obama and being called a racist for it. The only difference between Fluck and obama is Fluke might kiss you before she ***** you.

You need to stop saying sh*t like this in every single thread where I call people out on what THEY posted, like it is at all relevant. Some idiot saying something has no bearing on me or you, and in no way requires an explanation from me. However, YOU saying something idiotic requires explanation for that comment, because I'm directly addressing the person who made the comment.
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