(05-21-2012 12:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Well, I am affraid that sitting and waiting will allow App and Ga. Southern to catch the first train smoking to the WAC. All the WAC needs are a few schools to make it FBS football again. If the entirety of the Southland Conference moved up (sans Northwestern State and Nicholls) along with adding App State, Ga Southern and Jax State, the entire SBC better be ready to crap a huge terd.

How do they move in the WAC? Sure they can count it as a bona fide invitation to an FBS league as long as the invite is issued by June 30, 2013.

But how do you complete year two of transition? That requires playing at least 8 FBS games and at least four have to be at home. Pretty hard to do in a league with two FBS members.

I thought the WAC was still operating under some sort of a waiver that was granted by the NCAA...

(05-21-2012 12:35 PM)ScrappyCat Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:08 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:04 PM)panama Wrote:  The what ifs. Half the current membership could be gone by 2014

Don't you just love what college football is becoming?

No.

Do you guys remember the day that the joy of college football was that you were doing more than rooting for a uniform since the pro players went places depending on the MARKET......and therefore I for one and I am sure a good many others just fell in love with a tad more loyalty the college game........teams now might as well stand by the interstate and sell their wares to the highest bidder and climb in that truck then another....because of a better deal of course......now teams line up like this get what they can get and look for the next best deal......Money has corrupted all of sports now........I will still enjoy the games but with coaches switching and now teams switching leagues (I am not sure we should call them conferences any longer) who knows what the product will look like 10 years from now.

I can just see the new promos for conferences soon. (You know the ones are their game of the week.) They will just flash about 80 different team logos at you and say with a voice over " We are not to sure who our members are today but we are damn good and MAYBE BETTER TOMORROW.

NCAA four year moratorium and conference TV market decisions with schools chosen for how many Burger Kings there are in town.

Maybe fans could just vote on who would play that week.

The BCS top 5 conferences will own the world. Wall Street companies and banks will be borrowing from them in ten years.

Did anyone else see the blurb in the Arlington board minutes that the school would have gone to the Sun Belt in 2012 had the possibility been there.

I found that interesting...

(05-21-2012 12:24 PM)panama Wrote:  I am guessing that neither school has the necessary 8 out of 9 votes or else they would have been invited even if the invite was for 2014 or 2015

IF there was an invite extended (doubt there has been yet) for 2014 or 2015 why would they announce it before the June 1st deadline and screw themselves out of the playoffs when they could wait two weeks, still get another shot at a title and the exposure/fan excitement that would generate before moving up?

(05-21-2012 04:00 PM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:24 PM)panama Wrote:  I am guessing that neither school has the necessary 8 out of 9 votes or else they would have been invited even if the invite was for 2014 or 2015

IF there was an invite extended (doubt there has been yet) for 2014 or 2015 why would they announce it before the June 1st deadline and screw themselves out of the playoffs when they could wait two weeks, still get another shot at a title and the exposure/fan excitement that would generate before moving up?

Because you could say the same thing next year and the year after and so on and so forth. There is a playoff next year every year.

(05-21-2012 04:00 PM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:24 PM)panama Wrote:  I am guessing that neither school has the necessary 8 out of 9 votes or else they would have been invited even if the invite was for 2014 or 2015

IF there was an invite extended (doubt there has been yet) for 2014 or 2015 why would they announce it before the June 1st deadline and screw themselves out of the playoffs when they could wait two weeks, still get another shot at a title and the exposure/fan excitement that would generate before moving up?

If the invite were for 2014 or 2015 then you could still be invited now and you would not be leaving the SoCon until July 2014 and therefore would still have your shot at a championship in 2012. No different than Charlotte, right?

(05-21-2012 12:54 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Well, I am affraid that sitting and waiting will allow App and Ga. Southern to catch the first train smoking to the WAC. All the WAC needs are a few schools to make it FBS football again. If the entirety of the Southland Conference moved up (sans Northwestern State and Nicholls) along with adding App State, Ga Southern and Jax State, the entire SBC better be ready to crap a huge terd.

How do they move in the WAC? Sure they can count it as a bona fide invitation to an FBS league as long as the invite is issued by June 30, 2013.

But how do you complete year two of transition? That requires playing at least 8 FBS games and at least four have to be at home. Pretty hard to do in a league with two FBS members.

I thought the WAC was still operating under some sort of a waiver that was granted by the NCAA...

The waiver gives them two years to continue to vote as an FBS and be an FBS league, it does not exempt new members from complying with transition rules.

(05-21-2012 05:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:54 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Well, I am affraid that sitting and waiting will allow App and Ga. Southern to catch the first train smoking to the WAC. All the WAC needs are a few schools to make it FBS football again. If the entirety of the Southland Conference moved up (sans Northwestern State and Nicholls) along with adding App State, Ga Southern and Jax State, the entire SBC better be ready to crap a huge terd.

How do they move in the WAC? Sure they can count it as a bona fide invitation to an FBS league as long as the invite is issued by June 30, 2013.

But how do you complete year two of transition? That requires playing at least 8 FBS games and at least four have to be at home. Pretty hard to do in a league with two FBS members.

I thought the WAC was still operating under some sort of a waiver that was granted by the NCAA...

The waiver gives them two years to continue to vote as an FBS and be an FBS league, it does not exempt new members from complying with transition rules.

I see...

(05-21-2012 12:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:18 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Well, I am affraid that sitting and waiting will allow App and Ga. Southern to catch the first train smoking to the WAC. All the WAC needs are a few schools to make it FBS football again. If the entirety of the Southland Conference moved up (sans Northwestern State and Nicholls) along with adding App State, Ga Southern and Jax State, the entire SBC better be ready to crap a huge terd.

How do they move in the WAC? Sure they can count it as a bona fide invitation to an FBS league as long as the invite is issued by June 30, 2013.

But how do you complete year two of transition? That requires playing at least 8 FBS games and at least four have to be at home. Pretty hard to do in a league with two FBS members.

The NCAA hates lawsuits. Everytime they lose, which they usually do, it cuts into their power and control. Judges use a lawsuit as an opportunity to punish what many view as a mafia type organization.

The NCAA will not risk losing a lawsuit over non BCS small dollar schools. They would just give them a waiver so that it would go away.

(05-21-2012 04:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 04:00 PM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:24 PM)panama Wrote:  I am guessing that neither school has the necessary 8 out of 9 votes or else they would have been invited even if the invite was for 2014 or 2015

IF there was an invite extended (doubt there has been yet) for 2014 or 2015 why would they announce it before the June 1st deadline and screw themselves out of the playoffs when they could wait two weeks, still get another shot at a title and the exposure/fan excitement that would generate before moving up?

If the invite were for 2014 or 2015 then you could still be invited now and you would not be leaving the SoCon until July 2014 and therefore would still have your shot at a championship in 2012. No different than Charlotte, right?

Very different than UNC-Charlotte.

UNC-Charlotte will be a startup independent FCS team in 2013 to transition to FBS in 2015. They will not be eligible for post season play at any point while in FCS.

Looking at the schedule they have they won't even qualify with enough D1 wins (if they can even win that many games) anyhow.

Not that it will come to it probably, but would love to see the NCAA defend itself for not enforcing their 15,000 rule with many schools, especially the Northern MAC schools.

(05-21-2012 06:36 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not that it will come to it probably, but would love to see the NCAA defend itself for not enforcing their 15,000 rule with many schools, especially the Northern MAC schools.

Well at some point some of those schools really need to consider moving down a notch.

(05-21-2012 06:36 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not that it will come to it probably, but would love to see the NCAA defend itself for not enforcing their 15,000 rule with many schools, especially the Northern MAC schools.

The rule basically doesn't exist because a school can "buy tickets" to meet the requirement by paying ticket fees to, you guessed it, itself to "meet" the requirement.

(05-21-2012 06:44 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 06:36 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Not that it will come to it probably, but would love to see the NCAA defend itself for not enforcing their 15,000 rule with many schools, especially the Northern MAC schools.

Well at some point some of those schools really need to consider moving down a notch.

Nobody moves down because Div I sports are a cost center. You can go 2-10 yearly and still get more press by being FBS than you would get in FCS. As long as it keeps serving as a marketing vehicle for the school no way anyone moves down.

Idaho may move down to the Big Sky in FCS. FAMU announced going to FBS then didn't. A few years ago didn't just about the entire Southland Conference move back down for many years? The NCAA was going to make the MAC move down but they threatened them with a law suit.

Within the next 5 years the NCAA will redo all of it's FBS criteria, the public outcry is just getting too loud for some sort of handle on the realignment mess.

It will be interesting to see what criteria they require to maintain FBS status and how they go about measuring that.

They may redo the legislation but it will be I pencil. The fear of a lawsuit and of losing tax exempt status overrides all of these decisions. That's why the waiver was created. There is no problem the NCAA doesn't have a waiver for.

(05-21-2012 03:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Did anyone else see the blurb in the Arlington board minutes that the school would have gone to the Sun Belt in 2012 had the possibility been there.

I found that interesting...

they saw the more compact footprint of the sbc as making more sense than trying to align with the west coast and mountain states schools..uta used to be in a conf. with u-laf and stAte and ul-monroe and UNtexas..so there is some history there..