Do you really think any of us actually want to be in this situation? No. But short of a Big 12, SEC or ACC invite, we're stuck, so we might as well get used to it.

(05-20-2012 07:12 PM)Steelbeard Wrote:  Do you really think any of us actually want to be in this situation? No. But short of a Big 12, SEC or ACC invite, we're stuck, so we might as well get used to it.

yup

Shorebuc, you got to admit that I've been more right on this than wrong. I've warned for years that Holland was going to do this if we didn't get in the Big East and was told I was bat **** crazy. I was even told this was all lipservice as little as a month or two ago buy the sheep.

Well he did it and where is the outrage. Non existent People just continue to support the guy and watch him pushing 18 teams and App State. Read UNCC's board they don't even want them because they know they will hurt them and their potiental just like ODU and UNCC will ours.

I don't put it past him, before long he will have his eastern division and gone will be games with quality schools like Tulsa and UTEP as well. Even you told me 8 months ago if I was right it would be a depressing day, now your just roll over move on and continue to support this garbage.

I'm certain the recruiting will be impacted. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, it's common sense. Those schools will both beat us on impact players the next 10 years. All conference guys like Dominic Lindsey and Nick Johnson will probably stay in Charlotte in the future, and it only takes a couple of guys like that to be the difference in a winning and losing season. This will absolutely hurt the product on the field.

(05-20-2012 07:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Shorebuc, you got to admit that I've been more right on this than wrong. I've warned for years that Holland was going to do this if we didn't get in the Big East and was told I was bat **** crazy. I was even told this was all lipservice as little as a month or two ago buy the sheep.

Well he did it and where is the outrage. Non existent People just continue to support the guy and watch him pushing 18 teams and App State. Read UNCC's board they don't even want them because they know they will hurt them and their potiental just like ODU and UNCC will ours.

I don't put it past him, before long he will have his eastern division and gone will be games with quality schools like Tulsa and UTEP as well. Even you told me 8 months ago if I was right it would be a depressing day, now your just roll over move on and continue to support this garbage.

I'm certain the recruiting will be impacted. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, it's common sense. Those schools will both beat us on impact players the next 10 years. All conference guys like Dominic Lindsey and Nick Johnson will probably stay in Charlotte in the future, and it only takes a couple of guys like that to be the difference in a winning and losing season. This will absolutely hurt the product on the field.

I don't like the effect this will have on our recruiting at all. I said when teams left we should add La Tech and stay at 9 where the regular season is round robin. I may not be as displeased as you about the way this played out, but I am displeased. That said I'm not clear on what you want us to do. We can all ***** on this board until we are blue in the face and it wont change anything. Expressing how pissed we are here doesn't get back to TH but it does make us look like a bunch of aholes to all the new teams who are not at fault.

I say let's auction off DFS and put the money on basketball....since we will never be able to compete again in football why brother with it! We only have one option and we might as well make the best of it...border war and instate in conference rival...deal with it.

SJ. expansion turned out far crazier then I think any of us could have anticipated. If you would have told me the Big East was going to need 5+ teams in expansion and ECU was not going to make the cut I would have thought you were crazy. Did not see the whole Big East going west thing coming.
ECU has been bitching forever on being on an Island so I guess my question is who the heck could CUSA add that would make a regional rival for ECU but not give us a competitor for recruits in the future ?? I have no problem with ODU and as I have told you and posted I think this helps us with recruiting in the Tidewater. Will we lose recruiting battles with ODU?? Absolutely but just like we lose kids in Eastern NC all the time that want to go somewhere, ODU will lose recruits to ECU who is just 2hrs away but gives Tidewater recruits a chance to come home 2 out of 4 yrs to play in front of family and have an easy 2hr drive to ECU to watch their kids play all the time. Charlotte is the same deal. Kids from Charlotte will come to ECU because they know they will play at home in front of their family twice and get a chance to get away from home. Bottom line is recruiting is always going to be competitive and we have to have a coaching staff that can go get them and talk a kid like Under Armour All American Lucas Thompson into coming to ECU when he could have gone to South Carolina, Miami or Louisville. I like the idea of having ODU as a nearby rival and see their potential eventhough I think it will take them at least 5yrs just to be competitive in CUSA. I would not have picked Charlotte because it just adds one more team in NC at the FBS level. I would have rather seen Middle Tn St. or UMASS if we were going to call somebody up.

I also can't give you a definitive answer on how this is going to play out for ECU. If the doom and gloom comes that you predict for ECU then like I said, I will save a whole bunch of money that I have been pumping into ECU athletics by just staying home. I am not going to freak out because I don't see where CUSA had many great options when it came to expansion and with the Big 12 still out there stirring and the ACC looking moe and more vulnerable who the heck knows how this stuff is going to play out.

(05-20-2012 06:21 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(05-20-2012 05:55 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  The crazy (OOC MUST BE ALL BCS! TOO WIDE SPREAD OF A CONFERENCE! STEVE LOGAN FOR LIFE!)

and

the crazier (WE DON'T WANT CHARLOTTE AND ODU! GODWIN NEEDS TO BE FIRED! BIG EAST FOR LIFE!)

and

the clinically insane (StillJonesing)

I fixed that for you.

Read this

A lot of damage has already been done to both ECU and CUSA, but as long as Holland is still out there pushing for 18 teams and for App State then it is perfectly valid to kep "biatch"ing as Shorebuc accuses.

If some of you don't wise up we will wake up with App and JMU in the conference as well and never play UTEP or Tulsa again. That's clearly what he wants and how people can still support this guy is beyond me.

ASU is out of the question there is absolutely no support for them in CUSA so you can stop with the ASU scare attack...however, I am not opposed to JMU and adding another eastern team. Tulsa and UTEP really don't do much for me - not they are not good programs but closer to home would be nice. As far as quality of play goes some easier teams on the schedule worked for BSU.

(05-20-2012 07:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  A lot of damage has already been done to both ECU and CUSA, but as long as Holland is still out there pushing for 18 teams and for App State then it is perfectly valid to kep "biatch"ing as Shorebuc accuses.

If some of you don't wise up we will wake up with App and JMU in the conference as well and never play UTEP or Tulsa again. That's clearly what he wants and how people can still support this guy is beyond me.

Listen, if you are worried about the future expansion and displeased with what has already taken place I suggest you write a letter to Terry Holland and Steve Ballard and distribute it to like minded Pirate fans to send in. Posting here isn't going to make much of a difference unless you are trying to recruit people to your side. If that is the case I would suggest changing your approach because your current style isn't going to win many people over.

(05-20-2012 07:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  A lot of damage has already been done to both ECU and CUSA, but as long as Holland is still out there pushing for 18 teams and for App State then it is perfectly valid to kep "biatch"ing as Shorebuc accuses.

If some of you don't wise up we will wake up with App and JMU in the conference as well and never play UTEP or Tulsa again. That's clearly what he wants and how people can still support this guy is beyond me.

SJ, I like you because you care. No one can doubt that... I just disagree with you on a few points.

We've got Marshall in the conference; has that hurt us? They recruit the same areas that we do. ODU will win some of the recruits that we are going after... just like they will take some from VPI and UVA. We will continue to win our share of quality players.

I predict that there will not be 4 Superconferences of 16 each; 5 X 18 is far more likely.

Look for us to be aligned -along with ODU (and maybe Charlotte as well)- with Houston, SMU, UCF, USF and some combo of UL, UC, Rutgers, Temple and Navy at some point in the NEAR future if the whole realignment thing starts anew (which it appears that it has).

Mark my words: Charlotte and ODU help us.

Most likely, two teams will be gone from the BE in short order; once this occurs, the Catholic Schools will bolt. When that happens, they will NEED ODU and ECU (and most likely Charlotte) if they want to lay claim to the NC market in any way, shape or form.

Two more things: Appy will not be in our conference unless many more defections take place. The same can be said for JMU. Don't worry about this becoming a reality. Also, Croney advocated for our relegation to FCS; that, too will never be a reality.

This "thing" is still unfolding and will be during the remainder of the Spring and Summer... in the meantime be patient. I think in the long run you'll be pleased with the result. In the short run, be glad that we'll at least have one conference rival outside of Marshall who will bring droves to Greenville.

You people told me UNCC was all lipservice from Holland and it wouldn't happen too. It did. If La Tech can get in from Ruston LA, App can as well, especially with a guy pushing them like Holland is. Holland clearly is pushing them and he's already single handily got in a school that has never played a down, don't put anything by him at this point and as long as he is out pushing them he's fair game.

As far as Marshall I can name many players they have beat us on and if you didn't noticed they were bowling last year after they beat us. It certainly affected us. UAB is another, you think we could have used Darrell Hackney who we recruited, when we were playing Desmond Robinson? There will be plenty of these examples in the future because we will go head to head with them for most of our recruits..

LOL at this thread being moved from the C-USA board to the East Carolina board.

SMDH

(05-20-2012 07:57 PM)PirateJeff Wrote:  ASU is out of the question there is absolutely no support for them in CUSA so you can stop with the ASU scare attack...however, I am not opposed to JMU and adding another eastern team. Tulsa and UTEP really don't do much for me - not they are not good programs but closer to home would be nice. As far as quality of play goes some easier teams on the schedule worked for BSU.

That is exactly what I was told as well. There was no support from existing member schools when Appy State was brought up. People have to understand that it takes a majority vote of approval before a school is given the green light. Its done and over. Especially now with Charlotte in the conference.

(05-20-2012 06:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  USM or any schools fans wouldn't like it if their AD helped prop up two FCS start ups with in a few hours of their campus in the same recruiting turf and gave them equal conference status. If they do like making it more difficult to recruit they really need their head checks.

The pirate fan blowing this off as "if we can't beat them for recruits we don't deserve blah, blah" is just pure stupidity. You give any team 85 scholarships and equal conf status and with nothing more than playing time to sell and they will still absolutely get some players we were accustom to getting all the time in the past. ODU has already beat us on a nationally ranked 3 star QB before they ever took a snap and we have gotten a lot of good players from those areas in the past and will likely not in the future. Let's just make it harder, brillant.

This is going to damage our program and our potential and we can start a list of all the recruits they beat us on head to head the next 10 years Ned, and I have a feeling you Holland supporters will be sickened by it.

You know I would agree with your synopsis only up to a point. And that point is victory. I was a little leary about ODU, as the Tidewater area has been a proverbial hotbed for ECU recruits, but where I disagree with you is this. If we win and we continue to win and we upset teams as underdogs and destroy teams as heavy favorites, the recruits will come. Whether it's UNC-C or ODU or whoever and no matter how close they are. If we consistently beat NCSU,UNC head to head and not 1 out of 3, we'll pull some of those head to head recruits. If we upset a WestVA,VATech in the same year and then refuse to lose in an upset to a UAB or a Tulane, and end up with 9 or 10 wins, we'll pull recruits. You can gripe all you want, you can blame it on TH, you can say we're all brainwashed, but at the end of the day ECU is in CUSA and life goes on.

Very few kids want to stay at home for college unless their grades are horrible and they can't play ball anywhere else. The game is about to change for ODU big time. I actually think we'll beat ODU for many Tidewater kids. Most of the others will also go to VT or UVA. ODU will probably be getting the scraps in their own area. Same situation will apply to Charlotte.

(05-21-2012 01:06 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Very few kids want to stay at home for college unless their grades are horrible and they can't play ball anywhere else. The game is about to change for ODU big time. I actually think we'll beat ODU for many Tidewater kids. Most of the others will also go to VT or UVA. ODU will probably be getting the scraps in their own area. Same situation will apply to Charlotte.

Heck, how many times has ECU snagged a prized recruit in our backyard of Eastern NC ?? Those kids generally want to cash in their lotto ticket of talent and go somewhere. The Eastern NC kids that have come to ECU and excelled in many cases were 2 stars or low 3 stars.

ODU will have the same problem as any local College. They are not Big Time so if a kid has serious talent they are being chased by AQ BCS calibre programs from ACC, SEC and maybe Big1G. Most of those kids are going to pass on ODU. They are going to have to do like ECU has done and look for the local diamonds in the rough that are 2 stars low 3 stars and grow them in their own system.

The beauty of College Football recruiting will always be that not every 18yr old has matured at the same rate. We get kids like CJ Wilson who came to ECU at barely 200lbs and grew to be a 285lb monster. Jeff Connors is worth his weight in gold at a school like ECU because we are not simply going to load up on 4 star talent where there is little drop in talent between 1st string and 2nd string. It will always be crucial for ECU to bring kids in, redshirt them and give Connors 2-3yrs to transform them into what ends up looking like a 4 star.

End of the day I think we will be fine in recruiting the Tidewater and Charlotte. The key is to put our boot on the throat of ODU and Charlotte from the get go with serious beat downs on the field. Kids want to play for a winner and if we are consistently beating ODU and Charlotte on the field then our coaches have a pretty easy pitch to recruits in Charlotte and Tidewater.

Those are neat delusions about it actually helping our recruiting but you guys are dead wrong. Most recruits want to stay home if there is are good or equivalent options, that's why most flagship schools land the top players in their states. Most recruits just want to play at BCS schools first and foremost.
We make odu our equivelent now.

We've already lost a 3 star nationaly ranked QB from there to them in the past. Here are some top tidewater recruits talking about wanting to stay home and how ODU to CUSA changes their recruiting....The 300lb DL man ECU and ODU are after would have been far more likely to have come here a year ago than now. He says he likes the idea of staying home and if he wants to play CUSA ball he can do it there now.

Good luck getting him now, ODU just one more serious school we have to beat out and do it on their turf now. One of many cases moving forward that will be a dogfight to actually land over them. If you can play CUSA ball in Virginia Beach or Greenville NC, where are you going, especially if grandma is there. In a couple years we will get the tidewater scraps, not ODU.

Quote:Some area recruits rethinking options after ODU move

As one of the area's top high school football recruits in the Class of 2013, Ocean Lakes defensive tackle Demetri McGill is drawing attention from a handful of major college programs.

On Thursday, when Old Dominion announced it was joining Conference USA - and the Football Bowl Subdivision - McGill noticed, along with other area high school players and coaches.

"It really makes a big difference now and it changes a lot," said McGill, who has heard from Florida, Florida State, North Carolina, Penn State, Virginia and Vanderbilt. "I think it's going to change recruiting a lot because the Beach District isn't far. And if there's a player that has a family here, they might not want to leave and go far and not want to leave their family. So that might change a lot of things."

ODU will move from the Colonial Athletic Association and the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly I-AA) for C-USA. The Monarchs become full-fledged FBS members in 2015, joining Virginia and Virginia Tech as the state's only FBS programs.

"It changed (my view) a lot; it really did," said McGill, a 6-foot-2, 297-pound lineman. "I was always considering ODU and East Carolina, but ODU going to Conference USA changes things a lot. I haven't made my decision yet and I'm still looking around, but that was big news."

Other area players agreed.

Salem quarterback Bucky Hodges already committed to Virginia Tech, but said news of ODU moving up is important.

"It's a lot better because that's a big conference," he said. "I think it's really going to open up things for them. I think it will attract a whole lot more players, especially since it's close to home for 757 players. I have a lot of my teammates who are now looking at ODU."

Old Dominion has nearly 40 football players from Hampton Roads on its roster.

Moving up also means the Monarchs have a better chance at landing a blue-chip athlete like Hodges.

One blue-chip recruit is Bayside safety Quin Blanding. Only a sophomore, Blanding already has 17 offers, including those from Maryland, Miami, Clemson, Ohio State, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech and N.C. State.

Blanding said as of Thursday he had not talked to anyone from ODU, but that could change.

"It just shows that they are trying to step up and play for bigger things now," said Blanding, listed as a four-star recruit by Rivals.com. "It also shows they're upgrading and making progress."

Ya know.... my parents were students/alumni during the Leo Jenkins era of ECU and based on the spirit of this thread I asked them what they thought about inviting all these call ups new to 1a football and its impact on ECU.

paraphrased bullet points:

--Like the closer rivals
--away game travel to, and opposing fans coming here will be improved.
--Charlotte and ODU have had good other sports so this is a plus for the conference
--football in CUSA would be watered down a little
--either way we have to beat who is on the schedule
--neither of us want ECU to be in that mess that is the current BE.


Neither one thought Leo would turn over in his grave with who we added. Basically, the scenario is the same--we control our destiny and we have to beat who is on the schedule regardless if they are a conference or a out of conference opponent.

I'm ready for a new letter to the PN.