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Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
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" What does that leave for Bob Bowlsby’s legacy? With the Big 12’s TV deals essentially done and a 13-year granting of rights bonding the current 10 members in the league for that length of time, does Bowlsby look at expansion as his legacy?

For weeks and months, I had been told the Big 12 was good with 10 schools. Nine conference football games. Home-and-home in basketball league games. Good. No need for a Big 12 championship football game because it would only risk knocking a possible undefeated or one-loss team out of a national title shot with an upset.

But last week I talked to some people who said, “Well, if it’s the right two.” And that was different from what I had heard before.

I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.

That leaves some interesting candidates who could probably benefit from having the ability to launch their own network. The most likely to benefit from such an opportunity would be Notre Dame and Florida State.

The Big 12 has repeatedly indicated to Notre Dame it could bring its non-football sports to the Big 12 and keep football as independent, allowing the Irish to keep their football contract with NBC while launching a Tier 3 network.

So far, Notre Dame has indicated it’s just fine
. We’ll see if Florida State does the same. "
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
Well I would say that this is a big boost for the nBE to read......
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
Until we read this from another source besides Chip, the more accurate statement would probably be this:

Quote:The Big 12 DeLoss Dodds has repeatedly indicated to Notre Dame it could that Texas wants Notre Dame to bring its non-football sports to the Big 12 and keep football as independent, allowing the Irish to keep their football contract with NBC while launching a Tier 3 network and setting a precedent that would allow Texas to eventually move into the same deal with the Big 12.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
Notre Dame has a standing offer from everyone. Notre Dame's answer to everyone is no until they say yes. I am definitely not saying ND to Big 12 as I do not see that happening at all unless the Big East basketball schools take their ball and go home.

I suppose you do respond to a lot of people talking about where ND will be going.

Notre Dame is the Clint Eastwood of college sports. Fistful of Dollars.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
Just shows that ND football independence is not going away barring some weird vote at the BCS meetings in June.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
(05-10-2012 02:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Notre Dame has a standing offer from everyone. Notre Dame's answer to everyone is no until they say yes. I am definitely not saying ND to Big 12 as I do not see that happening at all unless the Big East basketball schools take their ball and go home.

I suppose you do respond to a lot of people talking about where ND will be going.

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It is still a very big "if" ND ever joins a conference, not "when"......

I don't know why ND was mentioned. As an independent, ND owns all of its "tiers" except for the home games that NBC pays it $15 million a year to televise.

Hell, ND has its own national radio TV network and a deal with NBC to televise nationally all of its home hockey games on NBC Sports.

ND is working on its own digital network, not a "traditional" network. Jack Swarbrick has been quoted several times on this.

ND's fans are all over the country. A regional, generic "State U Network" like the Longhorn Network does not work for ND.

ND doesn't need to join the Big 12 to launch its own network so I don't know why Chip Brown included them in this article, especially to just tell us again that ND said "no".
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
IMO, nothing new here...
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
(05-10-2012 02:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Notre Dame has a standing offer from everyone.

Notre Dame does NOT have a standing offer from everyone to be a non-football member. The ACC rejected that arrangement.

That said, the relevant question is, does Notre Dame have a standing invitation from the Big 12, or from Texas? Because I still think the rest of the Big 12 would see this as a road map to Texas independence. Which, looked at dispassionately, was kind of a cluster**** last time, ending in bankruptcy for Texas and a war with Mexico, sowing the seeds for the Civil War. Hopefullly, Texas independence either can be avoided or will work out better this time.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
must have missed the part where ND declined. Waiting to see what happens is far from declining.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
So, if they wait 100 years, is the answer no or "still waiting to see what happens"........????

My guess, Buck, is that you would still argue that ND may be shut out of the playoffs and may be wanting to join the Big 12.

"So, you're saying there is a chance."


P.S. My word was "declines", not "declined"...because the article says that the Big 12 has offered the deal to ND "multiple times" but ND says "it is fine".

That signifys multiple "declines", Buck.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
(05-10-2012 07:19 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  must have missed the part where ND declined. Waiting to see what happens is far from declining.

"Just fine" might sum it up quite well. But yeah, keep wishing...
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
(05-10-2012 08:00 PM)TerryD Wrote:  So, if they wait 100 years, is the answer no or "still waiting to see what happens"........????

My guess, Buck, is that you would still argue that ND may be shut out of the playoffs and may be wanting to join the Big 12.

"So, you're saying there is a chance."


P.S. My word was "declines", not "declined"...because the article says that the Big 12 has offered the deal to ND "multiple times" but ND says "it is fine".

That signifys multiple "declines", Buck.

Doesn't signify anything. The BCS situation is not decided. Some are still pushing for champions only and not one of the power players has stated they are giving ND a special exception. ND's leaders themselves have stated their wish is to remain independent but they are monitoring to see what happens with the BCS/playoff situation to determine what to do.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
For those that think the Big 12 > Big East, I wonder how they rationalize the fact that ND would rather be in the Big East.
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(05-10-2012 02:49 PM)ConanX Wrote:  Well I would say that this is a big boost for the nBE to read......

Sort of though the idea that not taking their teams because they were not worth enough is kind of a back handed compliment...

And of course they want to stick with the BE as it gives them their NE exposure they desire (and exposure in many areas in the country) while also not forcing them to join for football. The BE has better exposure opportunities in the areas ND cares about most unlike the B12 (football would be a different story but as we know ND would not join for that) and every other league (in particular the ACC) would only accept for football as well so no way for ND.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
(05-11-2012 07:03 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  For those that think the Big 12 > Big East, I wonder how they rationalize the fact that ND would rather be in the Big East.

If you don't think the BIG 12 is greater than the BE then you might need help.

ND is already and has been a partial member of the Big East. That they haven't left for the BIG, ACC, BIG 12 or PAC doesn't say anything about those leagues being greater than the BE.

$20 million per team vs. $3-$4 million says alot though.
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(05-10-2012 06:57 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 02:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Notre Dame has a standing offer from everyone.

Notre Dame does NOT have a standing offer from everyone to be a non-football member. The ACC rejected that arrangement.

That said, the relevant question is, does Notre Dame have a standing invitation from the Big 12, or from Texas? Because I still think the rest of the Big 12 would see this as a road map to Texas independence. Which, looked at dispassionately, was kind of a cluster**** last time, ending in bankruptcy for Texas and a war with Mexico, sowing the seeds for the Civil War. Hopefullly, Texas independence either can be avoided or will work out better this time.

Ok if I wanted my point to be specifically about non-football standing offers then I would have stated it as such, all I stated though was that they have standing offers from everyone and that is it.
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RE: Chip Brown: ND has standing non-football offer from Big 12 but declines
(05-11-2012 08:07 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  
(05-11-2012 07:03 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  For those that think the Big 12 > Big East, I wonder how they rationalize the fact that ND would rather be in the Big East.

If you don't think the BIG 12 is greater than the BE then you might need help.

ND is already and has been a partial member of the Big East. That they haven't left for the BIG, ACC, BIG 12 or PAC doesn't say anything about those leagues being greater than the BE.

$20 million per team vs. $3-$4 million says alot though.

Do you really think the new Big East contract is going to be $3 or $4 million per school? If you do, you don't need to be commenting on this board.
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