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Why do fans of the programs that won't be members of The Big East for more than a year seem more upset about the prospects of Louisville leaving than USF, Rutgers, UConn and UC fans?
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(05-10-2012 01:09 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Why do fans of the programs that won't be members of The Big East for more than a year seem more upset about the prospects of Louisville leaving than USF, Rutgers, UConn and UC fans?
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Because they'd rather be joining a conference that includes Louisville than a conference that doesn't.
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(05-10-2012 01:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:09 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Why do fans of the programs that won't be members of The Big East for more than a year seem more upset about the prospects of Louisville leaving than USF, Rutgers, UConn and UC fans?
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Because they'd rather be joining a conference that includes Louisville than a conference that doesn't.

Wouldn't they be upset about Louisville leaving then.

I think CJ was saying that all the outrage so far is coming from Pitt and Syracuse folks instead of from those that actually care about the well being of the Big East.
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The best case for Louisville is the fact that the ACC just signed that huge deal with the ACC. That deal was with FSU and Clemson in mind. That deal may keep the ACC schools from going anywhere. Then if the Big 12 wants to expand to 12...I think UL and (names to be seen) will be next. I don't think it'll be Boise. Cincy has a much better shot than them.
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(05-10-2012 01:09 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Why do fans of the programs that won't be members of The Big East for more than a year seem more upset about the prospects of Louisville leaving than USF, Rutgers, UConn and UC fans?
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I have no problem with Louisville aspiring for the Big 12. Just can't wrap my head around the logic from the Big 12's perspective not Louisville's.

And yes I would rather be in a Big East with Louisville than without.

There could be a rumor (there is not) about Houston going to the Big 12 and I would have similar reservations about us. It has nothing to do with you it is the lack of interest unless forced to by the conference.
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(05-10-2012 01:16 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:09 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Why do fans of the programs that won't be members of The Big East for more than a year seem more upset about the prospects of Louisville leaving than USF, Rutgers, UConn and UC fans?
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Because they'd rather be joining a conference that includes Louisville than a conference that doesn't.

Wouldn't they be upset about Louisville leaving then.

I think CJ was saying that all the outrage so far is coming from Pitt and Syracuse folks instead of from those that actually care about the well being of the Big East.

No... I was talking about the newbies. / Not Pitt and Syracuse fans. They have been very supportive.
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I still think it will be a while before The Big 12 starts getting more teams but if they do go and if that is what their fans want then leave. Just ask if we can come too!
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(05-10-2012 01:16 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:09 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Why do fans of the programs (that won't be members of The Big East for more than a year) seem more upset about the prospects of Louisville leaving than USF, Rutgers, UConn and UC fans?
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Because they'd rather be joining a conference that includes Louisville than a conference that doesn't.

Wouldn't they be upset about Louisville leaving then.

I think CJ was saying that all the outrage so far is coming from Pitt and Syracuse folks instead of from those that actually care about the well being of the Big East.

I read it the way Wedge did...
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Yeah....I definitely read it wrong. 01-wingedeagle
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(05-10-2012 01:19 PM)Mothership Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:16 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:09 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Why do fans of the programs (that won't be members of The Big East for more than a year) seem more upset about the prospects of Louisville leaving than USF, Rutgers, UConn and UC fans?
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Because they'd rather be joining a conference that includes Louisville than a conference that doesn't.

Wouldn't they be upset about Louisville leaving then.

I think CJ was saying that all the outrage so far is coming from Pitt and Syracuse folks instead of from those that actually care about the well being of the Big East.

I read it the way Wedge did...

I for one am just tired of the same merry-go-round.....

I just have yet to see a convincing argument for the Big 12 to expand.

I conceed Louisville (should the Big 12 expand) is on the short list. The issue is that it is in the Big 12's best interest to stay at 10 regardless of what Louisville or any other school thinks they deserve.

As a Houston fan I learned the hard way not to hold out hopes for a Big 12 invite so long as UT is in the fold. But that is our problem not Louisville's.
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(05-10-2012 12:30 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I realize UCF hasn't played a minute in The Big East so you're history of how Tom Jurich does things isn't that long. The reality is Tom would not have told The Big East BOD's that Louisville was leaving unless he didn't already have a destination. Mike just confirms that it was said with this piece. Right now the question is who goes with Louisville. CJ

I think this is the biggest hold up. UL might as well be a done deal at this point. That should be abundantly clear to everyone by now.
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(05-10-2012 01:28 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:30 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I realize UCF hasn't played a minute in The Big East so you're history of how Tom Jurich does things isn't that long. The reality is Tom would not have told The Big East BOD's that Louisville was leaving unless he didn't already have a destination. Mike just confirms that it was said with this piece. Right now the question is who goes with Louisville. CJ

I think this is the biggest hold up. UL might as well be a done deal at this point. That should be abundantly clear to everyone by now.

Why does the Big 12 expand? In this and the new "playoff" format they have the path of less resistance to the NC. Adding 2 or more triggers a championship game that the power teams in the conference don't want and the same money for more teams.

Is Louisville 11 or 12 (depending on your perspective)? It is a strong possibilty but I would call it far from a sure thing.
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(05-10-2012 12:54 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  I'd like an answer to one simple question.....

Unless forced to expand WHY would the Big 12 do so? They have an easier path the NC now and similar money than the other "big boy" conferences bring in.

Not going to happen please get over it!!!! Now if the Big 12 is in a situation where it needs to expand I do conceed Louisville is on the short list.

Part of it is keeping up with the Joneses. Every other conference will have a Championship Game, even the Big East. Nobody wants to be "forgotten" in late November, early December.

Part of it is boosting the TV deal even further. They already have a big TV deal but that gets better with a championship game + one of, if not the best college media market in the US. Louisville LOVES college sports and the Cards are THE show in town.

Part of it is insulation & being proactive. I don't think the Pac12 has completely scrapped the idea of going to 16.

Part of it is throwing a bone to WVU. Bridging the gap a little for them with a good rivalry just makes good sense for both schools. It would be even better if Cincy comes along.
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(05-10-2012 01:41 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:54 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  I'd like an answer to one simple question.....

Unless forced to expand WHY would the Big 12 do so? They have an easier path the NC now and similar money than the other "big boy" conferences bring in.

Not going to happen please get over it!!!! Now if the Big 12 is in a situation where it needs to expand I do conceed Louisville is on the short list.

Part of it is keeping up with the Joneses. Every other conference will have a Championship Game, even the Big East. Nobody wants to be "forgotten" in late November, early December.

Part of it is boosting the TV deal even further. They already have a big TV deal but that gets better with a championship game + one of, if not the best college media market in the US. Louisville LOVES college sports and the Cards are THE show in town.

Part of it is insulation & being proactive. I don't think the Pac12 has completely scrapped the idea of going to 16.

Part of it is throwing a bone to WVU. Bridging the gap a little for them with a good rivalry just makes good sense for both schools. It would be even better if Cincy comes along.

1. Schedule (high viewer) conference games in late Nov and early December. There is no rule they have to be done by Thanksgiving.

2. The contract does not force them to play a conference championship game. True they are getting paid like they have one without playing one. Which is why they are not expanding at this time.

3. Insulation? They have Louisville on speed dial if the need comes up. If they ever can hash it out they have BYU in the fold as well. No need to add when it is not needed.
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I will say it - people over 14 shouldn't use emoticons.
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(05-10-2012 01:56 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  03-melodramatic Oh my a sour puss! 07-coffee3

Can you blame him? He lives in a cave full of bees! 04-jawdrop
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(05-10-2012 12:54 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  I'd like an answer to one simple question.....

Unless forced to expand WHY would the Big 12 do so? They have an easier path the NC now and similar money than the other "big boy" conferences bring in.

Not going to happen please get over it!!!! Now if the Big 12 is in a situation where it needs to expand I do conceed Louisville is on the short list.

The BCS specifically recognized that some pointed the finger towards the BCS as the principle reason for the massive realignments over the past 10 years. Many of these changes were intended to slow down realignment or at least to relieve itself from the blame.

That being said, the real driver was and is $$$. The changes take the heat off the system (relatively) and still allow the players to make more money than ever before. It was stated by some "equity" conference executives that the idea of "splitting the pie more ways equated to less money" was largely false. More members almost assuredly meant more money per team. Sorry, I can't remember who it was that made the comment.

So, as long as there is a chance to make more $$$, realignment will always be in consideration.
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I don't see any bee emoticons damn it.
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(05-10-2012 02:08 PM)Mothership Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:54 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  I'd like an answer to one simple question.....

Unless forced to expand WHY would the Big 12 do so? They have an easier path the NC now and similar money than the other "big boy" conferences bring in.

Not going to happen please get over it!!!! Now if the Big 12 is in a situation where it needs to expand I do conceed Louisville is on the short list.

The BCS specifically recognized that some pointed the finger towards the BCS as the principle reason for the massive realignments over the past 10 years. Many of these changes were intended to slow down realignment or at least to relieve itself from the blame.

That being said, the real driver was and is $$$. The changes take the heat off the system (relatively) and still allow the players to make more money than ever before. It was stated by some "equity" conference executives that the idea of "splitting the pie more ways equated to less money" was largely false. More members almost assuredly meant more money per team. Sorry, I can't remember who it was that made the comment.

So, as long as there is a chance to make more $$$, realignment will always be in consideration.

Ok, followup.....

Why would Texas want to expand and we all know the Big 12 listens to big brother UT. Concessions have been made but UT is VERY anti championship game (as is OU the other power broker). Why would UT with its own network and conference share as it exists now risk an easier path to the NC for (and I am being generous) 5 million more? I just picked a number but it can't be more than that.

Is 5 million to a school that makes 15 million on its own network plus the conference money say 15 (because I don't remember what the Big 12 money is) worth a speed bump to the champ?

What is worth more a berth in the NC or 5 million?
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