(05-09-2012 03:52 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 03:48 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 03:44 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Where did the 3.6 billion number come from?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...l-acc-espn

That article cites the SBJ but they don't have anything about it.

SBJ reporter tweeted it (seriously).

(05-09-2012 05:50 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 02:44 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Well, the ACC can kiss ever contending on a national stage in football goodbye.

I just don't get this. Is it the $20 million per team we hoped for? No.

But WVU, Boise, Utah, and TCU managed to consistently contend on a national stage with either a BE or MWC budget.

The football schools in the ACC (and I include Pitt and SU in this as well) need to suck it up and do better.

Crying "woe is me" doesn't help the situation.

Cheers,
Neil

Really? How many title games did those three schools appear in?

Boise has finished with 1 or less losses in 8 of the past 10 years. How many crystal footballs do they own?

TCU has an undefeated season and a one loss season. How many crystal footballs do they own?

WVU has one single loss season, and has averaged 3.3 losses per year the past 10 years. How many crystal football do they own?

We are getting ready to be at the same deficit to the SEC as CUSA is to us currently. How many CUSA teams have contended for the national title lately?

Re: the corporate sponsors for championships.

Raycom runs ACC Properties which was supposed to be the marketing arm for the conference, but on inspection, the sole goal is to help Raycom sell ad time for its ACC telecasts. Seems rather lame for the ACC to have a marketing arm, and be used only on a portion of its telecasts.

http://www.theacc.com/properties/acc-properties.html

BTW, the Pac-12 also gave up the ability to sell presenting sponsorships to their championships to whomever it televising them in a given year.

(05-09-2012 06:20 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 05:50 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 02:44 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Well, the ACC can kiss ever contending on a national stage in football goodbye.

I just don't get this. Is it the $20 million per team we hoped for? No.

But WVU, Boise, Utah, and TCU managed to consistently contend on a national stage with either a BE or MWC budget.

The football schools in the ACC (and I include Pitt and SU in this as well) need to suck it up and do better.

Crying "woe is me" doesn't help the situation.

Cheers,
Neil

Really? How many title games did those three schools appear in?

Boise has finished with 1 or less losses in 8 of the past 10 years. How many crystal footballs do they own?

TCU has an undefeated season and a one loss season. How many crystal footballs do they own?

WVU has one single loss season, and has averaged 3.3 losses per year the past 10 years. How many crystal football do they own?

We are getting ready to be at the same deficit to the SEC as CUSA is to us currently. How many CUSA teams have contended for the national title lately?

They contended, which is more than any ACC team outside maybe VT can claim. And they did so with a bigger budget gap than the one that currently exists between the ACC and the SEC. Suck it up and quit pissing, crying, and moaning.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-09-2012 06:23 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:20 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 05:50 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 02:44 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Well, the ACC can kiss ever contending on a national stage in football goodbye.

I just don't get this. Is it the $20 million per team we hoped for? No.

But WVU, Boise, Utah, and TCU managed to consistently contend on a national stage with either a BE or MWC budget.

The football schools in the ACC (and I include Pitt and SU in this as well) need to suck it up and do better.

Crying "woe is me" doesn't help the situation.

Cheers,
Neil

Really? How many title games did those three schools appear in?

Boise has finished with 1 or less losses in 8 of the past 10 years. How many crystal footballs do they own?

TCU has an undefeated season and a one loss season. How many crystal footballs do they own?

WVU has one single loss season, and has averaged 3.3 losses per year the past 10 years. How many crystal football do they own?

We are getting ready to be at the same deficit to the SEC as CUSA is to us currently. How many CUSA teams have contended for the national title lately?

They contended, which is more than any ACC team outside maybe VT can claim. And they did so with a bigger budget gap than the one that currently exists between the ACC and the SEC. Suck it up and quit pissing, crying, and moaning.

Cheers,
Neil

Yeah, they contended.

How many championship games did the three schools you mention appear in?

Boise went 12-0 regular season in 2006 and got shut out of the BCS title game by a one loss Florida team. That's contending?

Boise, despite their miniscule amount of losses in the past 10 years has never finished higher than 4th in the final polls. But they are contending right?

I guess contending means something different for Syracuse than it does Clemson. Contending means we have a realistic shot at playing for the national title if we go undefeated, not being relegated to a sideshow bowl for entertainment purposes only.

(05-09-2012 06:36 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:23 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:20 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 05:50 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 02:44 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Well, the ACC can kiss ever contending on a national stage in football goodbye.

I just don't get this. Is it the $20 million per team we hoped for? No.

But WVU, Boise, Utah, and TCU managed to consistently contend on a national stage with either a BE or MWC budget.

The football schools in the ACC (and I include Pitt and SU in this as well) need to suck it up and do better.

Crying "woe is me" doesn't help the situation.

Cheers,
Neil

Really? How many title games did those three schools appear in?

Boise has finished with 1 or less losses in 8 of the past 10 years. How many crystal footballs do they own?

TCU has an undefeated season and a one loss season. How many crystal footballs do they own?

WVU has one single loss season, and has averaged 3.3 losses per year the past 10 years. How many crystal football do they own?

We are getting ready to be at the same deficit to the SEC as CUSA is to us currently. How many CUSA teams have contended for the national title lately?

They contended, which is more than any ACC team outside maybe VT can claim. And they did so with a bigger budget gap than the one that currently exists between the ACC and the SEC. Suck it up and quit pissing, crying, and moaning.

Cheers,
Neil

Yeah, they contended.

How many championship games did the three schools you mention appear in?

Boise went 12-0 regular season in 2006 and got shut out of the BCS title game by a one loss Florida team. That's contending?

Boise, despite their miniscule amount of losses in the past 10 years has never finished higher than 4th in the final polls. But they are contending right?

I guess contending means something different for Syracuse than it does Clemson. Contending means we have a realistic shot at playing for the national title if we go undefeated, not being relegated to a sideshow bowl for entertainment purposes only.

VT made the game in 1999 while making about a million in television rights playing a shedule of: JMU, UAB, Clemson, UVA, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Miami, Temple, and BC

That looks very similar to what we play today.

In 2007 VT just missed out on the championship game playing a schedule of: ECU, LSU, Ohio, W&M, UNC, Clemson, Duke, BC, GT, FSU, Miami, UVA and BC again. They were number 2 in the computers but got passed over because they lost to LSU 7-48. We didn't deserve to go ahead of LSU that year. Were it not for Matt Ryan pulling that miracle at the end of that game we would have been in despite that beatdown.

It is not impossible to make the championship game and should be even easier to make a top 4. We just have to win the games. The schedule and the tv money isn't the issue.

Quote:David Teel ‏ @DavidTeelatDP

Swofford said the #ACC's 15-year arrangement w/ESPN allows for "look-ins" every 5 years to further enhance revenue. Such as an ACC channel.

Good day for ACC schools and fans. Congrats.

(05-09-2012 06:52 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

Quote:David Teel ‏ @DavidTeelatDP

Swofford said the #ACC's 15-year arrangement w/ESPN allows for "look-ins" every 5 years to further enhance revenue. Such as an ACC channel.

Interesting find.

(05-09-2012 06:36 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:23 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:20 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 05:50 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 02:44 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Well, the ACC can kiss ever contending on a national stage in football goodbye.

I just don't get this. Is it the $20 million per team we hoped for? No.

But WVU, Boise, Utah, and TCU managed to consistently contend on a national stage with either a BE or MWC budget.

The football schools in the ACC (and I include Pitt and SU in this as well) need to suck it up and do better.

Crying "woe is me" doesn't help the situation.

Cheers,
Neil

Really? How many title games did those three schools appear in?

Boise has finished with 1 or less losses in 8 of the past 10 years. How many crystal footballs do they own?

TCU has an undefeated season and a one loss season. How many crystal footballs do they own?

WVU has one single loss season, and has averaged 3.3 losses per year the past 10 years. How many crystal football do they own?

We are getting ready to be at the same deficit to the SEC as CUSA is to us currently. How many CUSA teams have contended for the national title lately?

They contended, which is more than any ACC team outside maybe VT can claim. And they did so with a bigger budget gap than the one that currently exists between the ACC and the SEC. Suck it up and quit pissing, crying, and moaning.

Cheers,
Neil

Yeah, they contended.

How many championship games did the three schools you mention appear in?

Boise went 12-0 regular season in 2006 and got shut out of the BCS title game by a one loss Florida team. That's contending?

Boise, despite their miniscule amount of losses in the past 10 years has never finished higher than 4th in the final polls. But they are contending right?

I guess contending means something different for Syracuse than it does Clemson. Contending means we have a realistic shot at playing for the national title if we go undefeated, not being relegated to a sideshow bowl for entertainment purposes only.

Again, you're dodging what is the "real issue" according you - which is the budget gap means that no ACC team will be able to contend.

That's bull. I called you on it. And you haven't said anything that refutes it.

So again, I say, quit you're bellyaching or at the very least stay on point.

Cheers,
Neil

Hail Neil!

Why is it that the 'insiders' believe that the SBJ report having them at 20 million per is a floor price and that it is a negotiating tactic to drive the price up? They also are saying that these fantastical tier three rights are worth as much as their tier two are. They also take for gospel that the SBJ's tweet is the final number for the ACC.

Which is it? Is the SBJ...that said our deal would be 14-15 originally...a worthwhile source or not? Everyone has taken this number and ran with it. Seems absurd to simultaneously discredit this source as low when it would benefit you.

(05-09-2012 07:25 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:36 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:23 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:20 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 05:50 PM)omniorange Wrote:  I just don't get this. Is it the $20 million per team we hoped for? No.

But WVU, Boise, Utah, and TCU managed to consistently contend on a national stage with either a BE or MWC budget.

The football schools in the ACC (and I include Pitt and SU in this as well) need to suck it up and do better.

Crying "woe is me" doesn't help the situation.

Cheers,
Neil

Really? How many title games did those three schools appear in?

Boise has finished with 1 or less losses in 8 of the past 10 years. How many crystal footballs do they own?

TCU has an undefeated season and a one loss season. How many crystal footballs do they own?

WVU has one single loss season, and has averaged 3.3 losses per year the past 10 years. How many crystal football do they own?

We are getting ready to be at the same deficit to the SEC as CUSA is to us currently. How many CUSA teams have contended for the national title lately?

They contended, which is more than any ACC team outside maybe VT can claim. And they did so with a bigger budget gap than the one that currently exists between the ACC and the SEC. Suck it up and quit pissing, crying, and moaning.

Cheers,
Neil

Yeah, they contended.

How many championship games did the three schools you mention appear in?

Boise went 12-0 regular season in 2006 and got shut out of the BCS title game by a one loss Florida team. That's contending?

Boise, despite their miniscule amount of losses in the past 10 years has never finished higher than 4th in the final polls. But they are contending right?

I guess contending means something different for Syracuse than it does Clemson. Contending means we have a realistic shot at playing for the national title if we go undefeated, not being relegated to a sideshow bowl for entertainment purposes only.

Again, you're dodging what is the "real issue" according you - which is the budget gap means that no ACC team will be able to contend.

That's bull. I called you on it. And you haven't said anything that refutes it.

So again, I say, quit you're bellyaching or at the very least stay on point.

Cheers,
Neil

You have yet to show me how they contended.

Going by your standards you could say that La-Monroe and Buffalo have contended for a national title the past few years. They have just as many national title appearances and wins as the three schools you mentioned.

Simple Solution.... Just go undefeated. How many teams in the land has been undefeated the past 10 or so years. If Clemson or any ACC school is undefeated they'll have a playoff spot.

(05-09-2012 05:56 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 04:04 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  ESPN does not have a number, either.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...al-2026-27

Honestly, don't expect either the ACC or ESPN, or any conference or TV partner for that matter, to publicly acknowledge a rights fee. If you look at the transcript of the deal the ACC signed in 2010 (its somewhere on the ACC site) with Swofford and Burke Magnus of ESPN, several times writers asked for a monetary figure or if $155 million / year was the right number and there were plenty of "can't comment", "no comment" and "can't divulge those numbers".

Matt, You seem as knowledgeable as anyone I've read when it comes to television matters; does this mean we don't really know what any conference makes off of media rights? And does this mean we will not know exactly how much each institution makes from the network contracts?

(05-09-2012 08:32 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 05:56 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 04:04 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  ESPN does not have a number, either.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...al-2026-27

Honestly, don't expect either the ACC or ESPN, or any conference or TV partner for that matter, to publicly acknowledge a rights fee. If you look at the transcript of the deal the ACC signed in 2010 (its somewhere on the ACC site) with Swofford and Burke Magnus of ESPN, several times writers asked for a monetary figure or if $155 million / year was the right number and there were plenty of "can't comment", "no comment" and "can't divulge those numbers".

Matt, You seem as knowledgeable as anyone I've read when it comes to television matters; does this mean we don't really know what any conference makes off of media rights? And does this mean we will not know exactly how much each institution makes from the network contracts?

What I'm saying is that the information isn't generally publicized by a network or a conference themselves. Usually under the guise of "anonymous sources" or "a source close to the negotiations". Something off the record.

Folks like Kristi Dosh, who used to work independently but now works as a sports business reporter for ESPN, could get access to tax records for the conferences and those usually had line items for TV revenue.

(05-09-2012 07:36 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Why is it that the 'insiders' believe that the SBJ report having them at 20 million per is a floor price and that it is a negotiating tactic to drive the price up? They also are saying that these fantastical tier three rights are worth as much as their tier two are. They also take for gospel that the SBJ's tweet is the final number for the ACC.

Which is it? Is the SBJ...that said our deal would be 14-15 originally...a worthwhile source or not? Everyone has taken this number and ran with it. Seems absurd to simultaneously discredit this source as low when it would benefit you.

I'm not following the 1st paragraph of your post re: the $20 million floor price. Are you referring to the Big 12 or something else?

As for the SBJ as a source, I do trust the work that they do. They've been spot on before with their reporting. They provided something in February, today its May. Other discussions could have went on between that time to bring the number higher.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...CC-TV.aspx

Quote:ACC expansion will mean at least $1 million to $2 million a year in additional revenue for each of the conference’s existing schools, according to sources privy to discussions between the league and ESPN.

The addition of Pittsburgh and Syracuse, which will increase the number of teams in the ACC to 14, allowed the league to reopen its current 12-year, $1.86 billion media rights deal with ESPN. Those terms provide each of the 12 existing schools with an average of $13 million a year over the life of the deal.

Under the new terms that are being negotiated, each of the ACC’s 14 schools can expect at least $14 million to $15 million a year, sources said, depending on how negotiations between the conference and ESPN conclude.

When I read that, I read that saying that, at a minimum, $14-$15 million per year is starting point for negotiations with ESPN and ACC. Not that $14-$15 million per year is the most a school will receive.

(05-09-2012 09:04 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 07:36 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Why is it that the 'insiders' believe that the SBJ report having them at 20 million per is a floor price and that it is a negotiating tactic to drive the price up? They also are saying that these fantastical tier three rights are worth as much as their tier two are. They also take for gospel that the SBJ's tweet is the final number for the ACC.

Which is it? Is the SBJ...that said our deal would be 14-15 originally...a worthwhile source or not? Everyone has taken this number and ran with it. Seems absurd to simultaneously discredit this source as low when it would benefit you.

I'm not following the 1st paragraph of your post re: the $20 million floor price. Are you referring to the Big 12 or something else?

As for the SBJ as a source, I do trust the work that they do. They've been spot on before with their reporting. They provided something in February, today its May. Other discussions could have went on between that time to bring the number higher.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...CC-TV.aspx

Quote:ACC expansion will mean at least $1 million to $2 million a year in additional revenue for each of the conference’s existing schools, according to sources privy to discussions between the league and ESPN.

The addition of Pittsburgh and Syracuse, which will increase the number of teams in the ACC to 14, allowed the league to reopen its current 12-year, $1.86 billion media rights deal with ESPN. Those terms provide each of the 12 existing schools with an average of $13 million a year over the life of the deal.

Under the new terms that are being negotiated, each of the ACC’s 14 schools can expect at least $14 million to $15 million a year, sources said, depending on how negotiations between the conference and ESPN conclude.

When I read that, I read that saying that, at a minimum, $14-$15 million per year is starting point for negotiations with ESPN and ACC. Not that $14-$15 million per year is the most a school will receive.

It is in reference the to Conf Realignment board. People use the SBJ as gospel on the ACC contract then say that the B12's number is merely a ploy to push the price up.

Why am I accusing people? People did nothing....WVU fans' 'sources' say that...

(05-09-2012 05:57 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 03:52 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 03:48 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 03:44 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Where did the 3.6 billion number come from?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...l-acc-espn

That article cites the SBJ but they don't have anything about it.

SBJ reporter tweeted it (seriously).

On College football live today, ESPN made reference that the ACC had signed a rights deal but did not discuss it or give any numbers. I was looking forward to getting online and getting more detail. 3.6 Billion doesn't sound so bad. As long as it is enough to keep the conference together.

(05-09-2012 07:46 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 07:25 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:36 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:23 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:20 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Really? How many title games did those three schools appear in?

Boise has finished with 1 or less losses in 8 of the past 10 years. How many crystal footballs do they own?

TCU has an undefeated season and a one loss season. How many crystal footballs do they own?

WVU has one single loss season, and has averaged 3.3 losses per year the past 10 years. How many crystal football do they own?

We are getting ready to be at the same deficit to the SEC as CUSA is to us currently. How many CUSA teams have contended for the national title lately?

They contended, which is more than any ACC team outside maybe VT can claim. And they did so with a bigger budget gap than the one that currently exists between the ACC and the SEC. Suck it up and quit pissing, crying, and moaning.

Cheers,
Neil

Yeah, they contended.

How many championship games did the three schools you mention appear in?

Boise went 12-0 regular season in 2006 and got shut out of the BCS title game by a one loss Florida team. That's contending?

Boise, despite their miniscule amount of losses in the past 10 years has never finished higher than 4th in the final polls. But they are contending right?

I guess contending means something different for Syracuse than it does Clemson. Contending means we have a realistic shot at playing for the national title if we go undefeated, not being relegated to a sideshow bowl for entertainment purposes only.

Again, you're dodging what is the "real issue" according you - which is the budget gap means that no ACC team will be able to contend.

That's bull. I called you on it. And you haven't said anything that refutes it.

So again, I say, quit you're bellyaching or at the very least stay on point.

Cheers,
Neil

You have yet to show me how they contended.

Going by your standards you could say that La-Monroe and Buffalo have contended for a national title the past few years. They have just as many national title appearances and wins as the three schools you mentioned.

I have suspected for a while that you don't know what you are talking about, but this pathetic post proves it. Apparently you don't know the difference between a contender (like WVU, TCU, Boise, and Utah) and a pretender like (La-Monroe and Buffalo)

Since I have to spell it out for you, 2010, TCU was the #3 ranked team for the last 5 weeks of the BCS. Had Auburn or Oregon lost a game in that time frame, TCU was in line for the NC game.

In 2009 both TCU and Boise were again highly ranked in the BCS standings. They just had the misfortune of having both Alabama, Texas, and Cincinnati go undefeated as well. So they were in "contention" for the NC that year.

In 2007, West Virginia was the third ranked team with two weeks to go. The next week they moved up to #2. All they had to do was beat Pitt the final week and they were in the NC game.

The plain truth of the matter is, despite having less TV money and conference money than Clemson, each of those teams from 2006 forward would have kicked the snot out of the Tigers. So apparently it may not just be about $$$ but what an institution does with the $$$.

And Clemson University has been found wanting. Is there any sport you are actually good at?

Cheers,
Neil