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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-08-2012 10:08 PM)MiddleTiger Wrote: (05-08-2012 10:05 PM)TripleA Wrote: (05-08-2012 10:02 PM)MiddleTiger Wrote: (05-08-2012 08:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: Here is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what Neinas and others say. IF the new Big East is successful on the field in the stands and in its tv contracts then that will change perception.
The key element is "in the stands". The biggest problem the BE has is a lack of huge fanbases that travel well. The reason we don't have a major bowl tie-in is because we don't sell enough tickets, pure and simple. If UL or any other schools start filling up stadiums for bowls, that will change the perception immensely. The ACC is pretty mediocre on the field but their name football teams, FSU, VT, and Clemson, travel well so they are wanted.
In the stands for bowl games, you mean specifically, right? I know, attendance counts everywhere, but it is critical in bowl games to travel well.
Yep. You know me well enough to know what I meant.
Yep. Just checking for those who can't read your mind, lol.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-08-2012 09:16 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: He didn't stabilize shat... Mizzou bolted anyway AFTER he assumed his role (BTW, he did a lot of complaining about UM on their way out the door).
Exactly!!
Neinas went into a rant about how Mizzou was "selfish" for their timing in leaving the Big 12...
And then has West Virginia sue to get out of the Big East!!
That wasn't stability in any way I've ever seen the word used.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
yeah...read the article also
funny B12 commenting....while they themselves have been losing members right and left
yawn
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-08-2012 09:54 PM)SF Husky Wrote: (05-08-2012 08:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: Here is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what Neinas and others say. IF the new Big East is successful on the field in the stands and in its tv contracts then that will change perception.
+1. If BE wins on the field and kick those so-called big boys' ass like BE has done in the past, I don't know how anyone in their right mind can deny the fact BE is a power conference unless they are retarded.
Husky, between 2005-2011, we DID perform like a "big boy" on the field. The Big East was NOT the worst-performing AQ conference, we were clearly better than the B1G and almost as good as the ACC.
Nevetheless, this performance was clearly NOT good enough to dispose of the perception that the Big Eat is not worthy of "big boy" status.
We have to do more, particularly with regards to fan support. 45,000 average attendance does not cut it, and with the new additions, that number will drop.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-08-2012 09:16 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: (05-08-2012 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (05-08-2012 09:18 AM)goldenstang Wrote: Neinas seems like a D-Bag
Maybe from a Big East perspective, but he took over the Big 12 last September and has stabilized conference membership (well, sort of) and signed a huge new ESPN media deal. He is highly respected in the college athletics community.
He didn't stabilize shat... Mizzou bolted anyway AFTER he assumed his role (BTW, he did a lot of complaining about UM on their way out the door).
Yes, but Mizzou was leaving anyway before he arrived, the dispute he had with them was over whether they were leaving in 2012 or 2013. And, he succeeded in adding TCU and WVU to the fold, and in signing a huge ESPN deal.
Like it or not, Neinas has been given credit for all of that, and his reputation among other AQ-level conference commissioners is very high. And as someone right in the thick of all these negotiations, his credibility is high as well.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-09-2012 07:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote: And, he succeeded in adding TCU to the fold
That's a big accomplishment. TCU is the biggest journeyman in the NCAA! Since the sWc folded, they've signed on with the WAC, CUSA, MWC, Big East, and now the Big 12. Most programs haven't been in that many conferences in their history. TCU has joined/been a part of 6 conferences in 2 decades.
And now their football team is at the center of a huge drug scandal.
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(05-09-2012 07:42 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote: (05-09-2012 07:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote: And, he succeeded in adding TCU to the fold
That's a big accomplishment.
Personally, i don't think it is a big accomplishment for the Big 12, and i certainly didn't think it was for the Big East. I thought inviting TCU was a desperate move designed to boost our "BCS points" and thus salvage our AQ status, and that TCU had absolutely no cultural or geographic affinity with the Big East.
Of course, i was loudly derided by many on this board, particularly "optimists", who almost unanimously hailed the addition of TCU as a fantastic move for the conference just as they now hail the additions of Houston, SMU, Boise, etc.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-09-2012 07:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (05-08-2012 09:16 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: (05-08-2012 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (05-08-2012 09:18 AM)goldenstang Wrote: Neinas seems like a D-Bag
Maybe from a Big East perspective, but he took over the Big 12 last September and has stabilized conference membership (well, sort of) and signed a huge new ESPN media deal. He is highly respected in the college athletics community.
He didn't stabilize shat... Mizzou bolted anyway AFTER he assumed his role (BTW, he did a lot of complaining about UM on their way out the door).
Yes, but Mizzou was leaving anyway before he arrived, the dispute he had with them was over whether they were leaving in 2012 or 2013. And, he succeeded in adding TCU and WVU to the fold, and in signing a huge ESPN deal.
Like it or not, Neinas has been given credit for all of that, and his reputation among other AQ-level conference commissioners is very high. And as someone right in the thick of all these negotiations, his credibility is high as well.
I don't totally hate Neinas. He did recommend the hire of Bob Goin as our AD in the 90's, and was one of the contributors to the formation of C-USA (which proved to be a huge launching pad for our athletic programs).
But, the fact does remain that he has been involved in both the alliance and the Big XII - two organizations which have attacked the Big East from both sides.
I don't think his jawboning is going to work though. The BE is still waaaaaaay ahead of the alliance, no matter how he spins how far under the supposed "big five" the BE is.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-09-2012 07:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote: Personally, i don't think it is a big accomplishment for the Big 12, and i certainly didn't think it was for the Big East. I thought inviting TCU was a desperate move designed to boost our "BCS points" and thus salvage our AQ status, and that TCU had absolutely no cultural or geographic affinity with the Big East.
Of course, i was loudly derided by many on this board, particularly "optimists", who almost unanimously hailed the addition of TCU as a fantastic move for the conference just as they now hail the additions of Houston, SMU, Boise, etc.
Your bold move would have been ECU and UCF to replace West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse. I'm sorry but no conference commish in his right mind would offer such a limited and narrow vision to maintain a viable national brand. Exapansion to at least 12 was a must. That was a long time coming..
And whether you realize it or not, big time collegiate athletic conferences have become national brands. Adding just UCF and ECU to replace the defectors would have severely weakened Big East basketball and football credibility. Both of those programs had losing records on the gridiron last year.
As it stands now, our numbers compare very favorably with the ACC. I don't think it takes an optimist to see which line of action was the way to go.
You are out of touch, chico.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-08-2012 05:03 PM)3601 Wrote: Like arguing with me for years about why you didn't want Memphis in the Big East?
Are you "baiting" me or do you have comprehension/memory deficiencies bordering on mental retardation? If you need yet another explanation, PM me (this is not the place). I don't usually give second warnings, but since we have met, and you seem like a nice fellow, paying for the bet you lost and buying beers, I will not put you on ignore this time. "Don't tread on me".
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-09-2012 08:00 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: (05-09-2012 07:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (05-08-2012 09:16 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: (05-08-2012 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (05-08-2012 09:18 AM)goldenstang Wrote: Neinas seems like a D-Bag
Maybe from a Big East perspective, but he took over the Big 12 last September and has stabilized conference membership (well, sort of) and signed a huge new ESPN media deal. He is highly respected in the college athletics community.
He didn't stabilize shat... Mizzou bolted anyway AFTER he assumed his role (BTW, he did a lot of complaining about UM on their way out the door).
Yes, but Mizzou was leaving anyway before he arrived, the dispute he had with them was over whether they were leaving in 2012 or 2013. And, he succeeded in adding TCU and WVU to the fold, and in signing a huge ESPN deal.
Like it or not, Neinas has been given credit for all of that, and his reputation among other AQ-level conference commissioners is very high. And as someone right in the thick of all these negotiations, his credibility is high as well.
I don't totally hate Neinas. He did recommend the hire of Bob Goin as our AD in the 90's, and was one of the contributors to the formation of C-USA (which proved to be a huge launching pad for our athletic programs).
But, the fact does remain that he has been involved in both the alliance and the Big XII - two organizations which have attacked the Big East from both sides.
I don't think his jawboning is going to work though. The BE is still waaaaaaay ahead of the alliance, no matter how he spins how far under the supposed "big five" the BE is.
Remember the age old saying, " if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"...
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-08-2012 08:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: Here is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what Neinas and others say. IF the new Big East is successful on the field in the stands and in its tv contracts then that will change perception.
Not to mention the fact that 90% of Americans don't know what he said anyway.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
GA, you could say the same about 99.9% of humanity...
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
Texas is the only thing keeping the BigXII afloat right now.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
Who cares what Neinas or any other commissioner says.
The Big East's status in the pecking order will be clear to all of us in objective manner by the end of the year as shown through (1) the bowl tie-ins and guaranteed revenue share that it receives from the new playoff system and (2) the amount of the new Big East TV contract. When those numbers come in, we'll know exactly where the Big East stands in the food chain and, depending on your point of view, your optimism or pessimism is going to be either validated or rejected.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-09-2012 09:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: Who cares what Neinas or any other commissioner says.
The Big East's status in the pecking order will be clear to all of us in objective manner by the end of the year as shown through (1) the bowl tie-ins and guaranteed revenue share that it receives from the new playoff system and (2) the amount of the new Big East TV contract. When those numbers come in, we'll know exactly where the Big East stands in the food chain and, depending on your point of view, your optimism or pessimism is going to be either validated or rejected.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-09-2012 09:16 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote: Texas is the only thing keeping the BigXII afloat right now.
What is holding the BE together? If only it had an alpha male. Instead, every school is going in different directions.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-09-2012 09:34 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote: (05-09-2012 09:16 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote: Texas is the only thing keeping the BigXII afloat right now.
What is holding the BE together? If only it had an alpha male. Instead, every school is going in different directions.
I'd say the basketball. The BE doesn't have a Texas so to speak unless you consider Notre Dame.
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RE: Big 12's Neinas : Big East slips down food chain
(05-09-2012 09:34 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote: (05-09-2012 09:16 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote: Texas is the only thing keeping the BigXII afloat right now.
What is holding the BE together? If only it had an alpha male. Instead, every school is going in different directions.
BIG CITY, BABY!!!
A conference that calls Madison Square Garden home and has that metropolitan mentality. The alpha male is MSG. This conference is bonded by symmetry of progressive vision and high athletic standards. And a heck of a lot of Final Four banners hanging from the rafters to show for it!
Tradition (rivalries)
TEMPLE-RUTGERS-NAVY-UCONN
LOUISVILLE-CINCINNATI-MEMPHIS
SMU-HOUSTON
USF-UCF
BOISE STATE-SAN DIEGO-STATE
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