(05-08-2012 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:18 AM)goldenstang Wrote:  Neinas seems like a D-Bag

Maybe from a Big East perspective, but he took over the Big 12 last September and has stabilized conference membership (well, sort of) and signed a huge new ESPN media deal. He is highly respected in the college athletics community.

The BIG EAST could use a D-Bag like that...juz say'n.

(05-08-2012 09:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the BE has "slipped down the food chain." I think they are in the same place they have always been.

I agree, in that we are still in 6th place (in terms of prestige/media appeal) among the football conferences.

But, the point Neinas was making is that the meaning of being in 6th has changed: Previously, before the recent realignments, we were a strong-enough 6th to merit being in the "big boy" club.

Now, even though we are still 6th, we're a weakened 6th, no longer a member of that big boy club. We are now grouped with the "have-nots".

(05-08-2012 11:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the BE has "slipped down the food chain." I think they are in the same place they have always been.

I agree, in that we are still in 6th place (in terms of prestige/media appeal) among the football conferences.

But, the point Neinas was making is that the meaning of being in 6th has changed: Previously, before the recent realignments, we were a strong-enough 6th to merit being in the "big boy" club.

Now, even though we are still 6th, we're a weakened 6th, no longer a member of that big boy club. We are now grouped with the "have-nots".

It depends, weakened yes...but still @ this point far and away above the future C-USA/MWC. Have you seen there coming membership...if anything we are a "tweener".

(05-08-2012 11:36 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the BE has "slipped down the food chain." I think they are in the same place they have always been.

I agree, in that we are still in 6th place (in terms of prestige/media appeal) among the football conferences.

But, the point Neinas was making is that the meaning of being in 6th has changed: Previously, before the recent realignments, we were a strong-enough 6th to merit being in the "big boy" club.

Now, even though we are still 6th, we're a weakened 6th, no longer a member of that big boy club. We are now grouped with the "have-nots".

It depends, weakened yes...but still @ this point far and away above the future C-USA/MWC. Have you seen there coming membership...if anything we are a "tweener".

Neinas has his own self-serving intersts for saying that.

And the Big East is not even so much a tweener.

Our numbers match up very favorably to the ACC.

(05-08-2012 11:36 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the BE has "slipped down the food chain." I think they are in the same place they have always been.

I agree, in that we are still in 6th place (in terms of prestige/media appeal) among the football conferences.

But, the point Neinas was making is that the meaning of being in 6th has changed: Previously, before the recent realignments, we were a strong-enough 6th to merit being in the "big boy" club.

Now, even though we are still 6th, we're a weakened 6th, no longer a member of that big boy club. We are now grouped with the "have-nots".

It depends, weakened yes...but still @ this point far and away above the future C-USA/MWC. Have you seen there coming membership...if anything we are a "tweener".

Maize, i see us as a 'tweener' too. If we look at media dollars per school, CUSA gets about $2 million, B1G gets $21 million, we probably will get $10m - $12m, which literally will put us in-between those conferences.

Nevertheless, Neinas is a highly-respected figure in the college athletics world and as interim head of the Big 12, he's been at the table for all of these ongoing BCS/playoff negotiations and also knows all the major players in the media area. So if he says we're now no longer in the "big boy" club, that probably means something ...

(05-08-2012 11:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Neinas is a highly-respected figure in the college athletics world and as interim head of the Big 12, he's been at the table for all of these ongoing BCS/playoff negotiations and also knows all the major players in the media area. So if he says we're now no longer in the "big boy" club, that probably means something ...

We all know who Neinas is and who he represents.

(05-08-2012 08:13 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 07:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  "Now, there are five" on top, says Chuck Neinas, acting commissioner of the Big 12 and a longtime college athletics policymaker and shaper. "It's just an honest evaluation. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...54805358/1

Might be an "honest evaluation", but his motivation for publicly stating it is as obvious as his callousness. As Lou Holtz once said, "burning your neighbor's house down does not make yours look better".

Great point!

Big 12 just lost 33% of their membership (4 schools) to 3 different conf, ALL STRONGER than his own (SEC, Big Ten and now even the Pac-12).

Of course he is trying to embarrass another conf to take away attention of his own conf failures.

(05-08-2012 11:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:13 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 07:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  "Now, there are five" on top, says Chuck Neinas, acting commissioner of the Big 12 and a longtime college athletics policymaker and shaper. "It's just an honest evaluation. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...54805358/1

Might be an "honest evaluation", but his motivation for publicly stating it is as obvious as his callousness. As Lou Holtz once said, "burning your neighbor's house down does not make yours look better".

Great point!

Big 12 just lost 33% of their membership (4 schools) to 3 different conf, ALL STRONGER than his own (SEC, Big Ten and now even the Pac-12).

Of course he is trying to embarrass another conf to take away attention of his own conf failures.

I'm with you both. I'm not necessarily saying Neinas is incorrect. But there is no question that he has a certain motivation to jawbone against the BE (being involved in both the C-USA/MWC alliance and the Big XII). Just like those so-called "articles" from ESPN posted on here yesterday.

(05-08-2012 11:42 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Neinas is a highly-respected figure in the college athletics world and as interim head of the Big 12, he's been at the table for all of these ongoing BCS/playoff negotiations and also knows all the major players in the media area. So if he says we're now no longer in the "big boy" club, that probably means something ...

We all know who Neinas is and who he represents.

Neinas is all suddenly the expert according to this troll Just yesterday he said the former president of CBS sports is full of crap when it comes to BE's TV deal prediction. I guess those "experts" are only experts when they support his doomsday predictions.

(05-08-2012 02:53 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:42 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Neinas is a highly-respected figure in the college athletics world and as interim head of the Big 12, he's been at the table for all of these ongoing BCS/playoff negotiations and also knows all the major players in the media area. So if he says we're now no longer in the "big boy" club, that probably means something ...

We all know who Neinas is and who he represents.

Neinas is all suddenly the expert according to this troll Just yesterday he said the former president of CBS sports is full of crap when it comes to BE's TV deal prediction.

As i said nothing of the kind, you are either a liar or just really dumb.

(05-08-2012 02:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:53 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:42 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Neinas is a highly-respected figure in the college athletics world and as interim head of the Big 12, he's been at the table for all of these ongoing BCS/playoff negotiations and also knows all the major players in the media area. So if he says we're now no longer in the "big boy" club, that probably means something ...

We all know who Neinas is and who he represents.

Neinas is all suddenly the expert according to this troll Just yesterday he said the former president of CBS sports is full of crap when it comes to BE's TV deal prediction.

As i said nothing of the kind, you are either a liar or just really dumb.

You clearly said you don't agree with him or any other projections of BE TV deal from other ADs or media consultants. You are full of crap like 100% of the time dude. I still don't know what you are doing on a BE forum.

Neal Pilson, a media consultant and former president of CBS Sports, predicted that the Big East could surpass the deal it turned down last year, which was considered similar in value to the A.C.C.’s $155 million annual deal.

“I think if they stay together and negotiate as a single unit, I think they can come away with a reasonably favorable result,” Pilson said. “Even more than what ESPN offered a year and a half ago. I think the competition will drive it.”

I liked the former President of CBS Sports assessment.

http://nyti.ms/IHQxqN

Had PAC-12 presidents took Texouma, we won't even be talking about a B-12 today. B-12 was that close of disappearing just a year ago. Neinas is as clueless as one of the biggest troll here.

It's Chuck Neinas. He's saying what he feels he has to say in order to make himself and the Big 12 look better. (Not to downplay what you'e posting, quo, but I'm continuing to take what he says with a grain of salt.)

(05-08-2012 11:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:13 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 07:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  "Now, there are five" on top, says Chuck Neinas, acting commissioner of the Big 12 and a longtime college athletics policymaker and shaper. "It's just an honest evaluation. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...54805358/1

Might be an "honest evaluation", but his motivation for publicly stating it is as obvious as his callousness. As Lou Holtz once said, "burning your neighbor's house down does not make yours look better".

Great point!

Big 12 just lost 33% of their membership (4 schools) to 3 different conf, ALL STRONGER than his own (SEC, Big Ten and now even the Pac-12).

Of course he is trying to embarrass another conf to take away attention of his own conf failures.

I don't see what motivation he has to beat-down the Big East to cover up any "failures" on his part with regard to the Big 12. Neinas has been lauded by almost everyone for how he has led the Big 12 in the wake of the UNL, Colorado, and Texas AM defections. Plus, he is leaving the Big 12 later next month so has no ongoing reason to keep the Big East down.

In sum, he has no reasons to beat up on the Big East, in the wake of the new media deal with ESPN, his stock is at an all-time high.

(05-08-2012 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:13 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 07:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  "Now, there are five" on top, says Chuck Neinas, acting commissioner of the Big 12 and a longtime college athletics policymaker and shaper. "It's just an honest evaluation. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...54805358/1

Might be an "honest evaluation", but his motivation for publicly stating it is as obvious as his callousness. As Lou Holtz once said, "burning your neighbor's house down does not make yours look better".

Great point!

Big 12 just lost 33% of their membership (4 schools) to 3 different conf, ALL STRONGER than his own (SEC, Big Ten and now even the Pac-12).

Of course he is trying to embarrass another conf to take away attention of his own conf failures.

I don't see what motivation he has to beat-down the Big East to cover up any "failures" on his part with regard to the Big 12. Neinas has been lauded by almost everyone for how he has led the Big 12 in the wake of the UNL, Colorado, and Texas AM defections. Plus, he is leaving the Big 12 later next month so has no ongoing reason to keep the Big East down.

In sum, he has no reasons to beat up on the Big East.

Oh he got plenty of reasons. Even a blind bat can see that but you can't. He was bashing the BE to justify why WVU was leaving and help WVU out with their lawsuit.

(05-08-2012 08:55 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:28 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Neinas is a Texas guy. Maybe he's just gloating because he took two BE schools to fill his conference when they were on the brink, but this smacks of (again) unnecessary smack talk.

Not just smack, in my opinion. The Big 12 likes the separation and wants/enjoys reinforcing public perceptions to that effect.

It seems more like prodding or knudging to me ... "He maybe implying that Big East teams are low hanging fruit compared to ACC teams when it comes to expansion candidates."

(05-08-2012 02:57 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:53 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:42 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Neinas is a highly-respected figure in the college athletics world and as interim head of the Big 12, he's been at the table for all of these ongoing BCS/playoff negotiations and also knows all the major players in the media area. So if he says we're now no longer in the "big boy" club, that probably means something ...

We all know who Neinas is and who he represents.

Neinas is all suddenly the expert according to this troll Just yesterday he said the former president of CBS sports is full of crap when it comes to BE's TV deal prediction.

As i said nothing of the kind, you are either a liar or just really dumb.

You clearly said you don't agree with him

Yes, but saying I don't agree with him is NOT the same thing as saying i think he is full of crap. In fact, I also said that he DOES have credibility so his statement about Big East media rights IS a positive sign. Good Lord.

(05-08-2012 03:07 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 11:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:13 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 07:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  "Now, there are five" on top, says Chuck Neinas, acting commissioner of the Big 12 and a longtime college athletics policymaker and shaper. "It's just an honest evaluation. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...54805358/1

Might be an "honest evaluation", but his motivation for publicly stating it is as obvious as his callousness. As Lou Holtz once said, "burning your neighbor's house down does not make yours look better".

Great point!

Big 12 just lost 33% of their membership (4 schools) to 3 different conf, ALL STRONGER than his own (SEC, Big Ten and now even the Pac-12).

Of course he is trying to embarrass another conf to take away attention of his own conf failures.

I don't see what motivation he has to beat-down the Big East to cover up any "failures" on his part with regard to the Big 12. Neinas has been lauded by almost everyone for how he has led the Big 12 in the wake of the UNL, Colorado, and Texas AM defections. Plus, he is leaving the Big 12 later next month so has no ongoing reason to keep the Big East down.

In sum, he has no reasons to beat up on the Big East.

Oh he got plenty of reasons. Even a blind bat can see that but you can't. He was bashing the BE to justify why WVU was leaving and help WVU out with their lawsuit.

He attacked the Big East for what he perceived as hypocrisy (we were making a big stink about WVU leaving while inviting teams from other conferences to join us). I disagreed with him about that, but that was about a specific issue and doesn't pertain to where the Big East stands right now among the various conferences.

There is no sound reason to doubt his conclusion about where we stand.

(05-08-2012 09:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the BE has "slipped down the food chain." I think they are in the same place they have always been. I just think quo makes a living here pointing out everything negative he possibly can about the BE.

Thanks to our SEC trolls and the negative Nancy's they influence, we are quite familiar with that sort of thing on the Memphis board.