RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 10:35 AM)bluesox Wrote: If boise and sd state did return to the mwc wouldn't that put boise in the eastern division of the mwc? not something they would want being separated from the ca school's?
east: BYU*, Utah state, Wyoming, Col state, AFA, New Mexico, UTEP
byu + hawaii are football only
If your gonna add UTEP, then you should grab Tulsa and Houston as well.....
You're joking if you think the MWC can raid Houston from the BE. Even if Boise and SDSU back out, the Big East will still have a better TV deal than the MWC just off of basketball alone.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 10:05 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Perhaps Meatball stepped down because they was not getting the TV deal that was promised to them? That would cause SDSU and Boise to think twice I would imagine.
Or it might make the other schools think twice. Big part of AQ is the money, prestige, and opportunity it brings. Without it the western schools may not care to share with two west schools that just play football in a basketball based conference. Even if the money is good enough for BOise and SDSU to stay (which I think is likely) it may not be enough to make the other schools happy in having you two in there (and hence they ditch the "mastermind" of the plan).
I think this and the loss of the Alliance idea may be the tip of the iceberg of showing how little non-AQ and former non-AQ schools mean to the networks...
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
From what I gather from the other MWC fans I know the dream conference is:
Western Division
Hawaii
Boise
SDSU
Fresno St
Nevada
UNLV
Eastern Division
New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado St
Wyoming
Tulsa
UTEP
This seems to be the 12 they really want. I am sure BYU, SMU, and Houston would be welcomed but as I have always said. Houston and SMU would wanna be in a conference out east where there is more exposure.
San Jose State and Utah State were invited for one reason. Salt Lake city and The Bay area markets. Luckily Utah State is a beast in basketball and SJSU has a few Olympic Sports the MWC needs.
east: BYU*, Utah state, Wyoming, Col state, AFA, New Mexico, UTEP
byu + hawaii are football only
If your gonna add UTEP, then you should grab Tulsa and Houston as well.....
You're joking if you think the MWC can raid Houston from the BE. Even if Boise and SDSU back out, the Big East will still have a better TV deal than the MWC just off of basketball alone.
I was thinking if the nBE imploded. Not if it stayed together.....
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 10:05 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Perhaps Meatball stepped down because they was not getting the TV deal that was promised to them? That would cause SDSU and Boise to think twice I would imagine.
BE TV contract negotiations don't start until September, and according to media reports today, this idea to dump Marinatto has been building for quite a while, and the BE presidents have been talking to Marinatto about it for several weeks, so those two events do not seem to be related.
And the BE was represented by other people than Marinatto at the recent BCS meetings, so that doesn't seem related, either.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 01:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-07-2012 10:05 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Perhaps Meatball stepped down because they was not getting the TV deal that was promised to them? That would cause SDSU and Boise to think twice I would imagine.
BE TV contract negotiations don't start until September, and according to media reports today, this idea to dump Marinatto has been building for quite a while, and the BE presidents have been talking to Marinatto about it for several weeks, so those two events do not seem to be related.
And the BE was represented by other people than Marinatto at the recent BCS meetings, so that doesn't seem related, either.
Yeah, it is pretty much reported that the basketball schools are not happy with the realignment. It says so on the main ESPN story on the front page.
One of 2 things will happen. Basketball will split up or some people (As in the western teams) will go back to their old conference and someone like ESPN (Who has already started signing up some MWC games) are gonna give the MWC a TV deal to protect the Big East basketball.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 01:57 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:
(05-07-2012 01:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-07-2012 10:05 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Perhaps Meatball stepped down because they was not getting the TV deal that was promised to them? That would cause SDSU and Boise to think twice I would imagine.
BE TV contract negotiations don't start until September, and according to media reports today, this idea to dump Marinatto has been building for quite a while, and the BE presidents have been talking to Marinatto about it for several weeks, so those two events do not seem to be related.
And the BE was represented by other people than Marinatto at the recent BCS meetings, so that doesn't seem related, either.
Yeah, it is pretty much reported that the basketball schools are not happy with the realignment. It says so on the main ESPN story on the front page.
One of 2 things will happen. Basketball will split up or some people (As in the western teams) will go back to their old conference and someone like ESPN (Who has already started signing up some MWC games) are gonna give the MWC a TV deal to protect the Big East basketball.
Also. Id Boise and SDSU leave The Big East by June they do not have to pay the exit fee.
The real interesting part of that would be Houston and SMU. Houston does have good tradition in basketball thru the years. UCF makes sense as a partner for USF.
GREAT point about ESPN. I wonder if that would also involve some hoops action, which would be great as well.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 01:57 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Also. Id Boise and SDSU leave The Big East by June they do not have to pay the exit fee.
That's just not true. Boise and SDSU have a $5 M exit fee if they back out before July 1, 2013. The ONLY ways that gets reduced are if:
1) Conference revenue is decreased by at least 25% - fee goes down to $1 M
2) New TV contract is less than 70% for football - fee goes down to $2.5 M
3) BE loses AQ status before July 1, 2013 (unless everyone loses AQ status) - fee goes down to $1 M.
I had also read that there was a clause about the exit fee being removed if there wasn't another school added west of the rockies, but that is not in this contract.
Of those options numbered above, the only one that could happen in #2, and that won't be known until October at the earliest.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 02:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:
(05-07-2012 01:57 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:
(05-07-2012 01:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-07-2012 10:05 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Perhaps Meatball stepped down because they was not getting the TV deal that was promised to them? That would cause SDSU and Boise to think twice I would imagine.
BE TV contract negotiations don't start until September, and according to media reports today, this idea to dump Marinatto has been building for quite a while, and the BE presidents have been talking to Marinatto about it for several weeks, so those two events do not seem to be related.
And the BE was represented by other people than Marinatto at the recent BCS meetings, so that doesn't seem related, either.
Yeah, it is pretty much reported that the basketball schools are not happy with the realignment. It says so on the main ESPN story on the front page.
One of 2 things will happen. Basketball will split up or some people (As in the western teams) will go back to their old conference and someone like ESPN (Who has already started signing up some MWC games) are gonna give the MWC a TV deal to protect the Big East basketball.
Also. Id Boise and SDSU leave The Big East by June they do not have to pay the exit fee.
The real interesting part of that would be Houston and SMU. Houston does have good tradition in basketball thru the years. UCF makes sense as a partner for USF.
GREAT point about ESPN. I wonder if that would also involve some hoops action, which would be great as well.
What is funny is a few people are giving me crap about me saying C-USA might of screwed up but this proves another point. C-USA is not getting the same treatment the MWC is. Plus I recall the C-USA signing a contract with Fox. Do not know if it is still enforced or not but I would say as of now if TV money is the driving force behind expansion then the MWC has the upper hand. ESPN has made it clear the last 4 years and this coming year that they will put Boise on as much as possible. If I was the AD at SMU, Tulsa, Southern Miss, Houston.....I would be talking to Boise St.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 02:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:
(05-07-2012 01:57 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Also. Id Boise and SDSU leave The Big East by June they do not have to pay the exit fee.
That's just not true. Boise and SDSU have a $5 M exit fee if they back out before July 1, 2013. The ONLY ways that gets reduced are if:
1) Conference revenue is decreased by at least 25% - fee goes down to $1 M
2) New TV contract is less than 70% for football - fee goes down to $2.5 M
3) BE loses AQ status before July 1, 2013 (unless everyone loses AQ status) - fee goes down to $1 M.
I had also read that there was a clause about the exit fee being removed if there wasn't another school added west of the rockies, but that is not in this contract.
Of those options numbered above, the only one that could happen in #2, and that won't be known until October at the earliest.
Option 2. That is where the problem is gonna be and I just got finish reading a link that Boise can leave and not pay a fee. This is what happens on days like this. To many rumors to keep up with.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 02:09 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:
(05-07-2012 02:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:
(05-07-2012 01:57 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:
(05-07-2012 01:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-07-2012 10:05 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Perhaps Meatball stepped down because they was not getting the TV deal that was promised to them? That would cause SDSU and Boise to think twice I would imagine.
BE TV contract negotiations don't start until September, and according to media reports today, this idea to dump Marinatto has been building for quite a while, and the BE presidents have been talking to Marinatto about it for several weeks, so those two events do not seem to be related.
And the BE was represented by other people than Marinatto at the recent BCS meetings, so that doesn't seem related, either.
Yeah, it is pretty much reported that the basketball schools are not happy with the realignment. It says so on the main ESPN story on the front page.
One of 2 things will happen. Basketball will split up or some people (As in the western teams) will go back to their old conference and someone like ESPN (Who has already started signing up some MWC games) are gonna give the MWC a TV deal to protect the Big East basketball.
Also. Id Boise and SDSU leave The Big East by June they do not have to pay the exit fee.
The real interesting part of that would be Houston and SMU. Houston does have good tradition in basketball thru the years. UCF makes sense as a partner for USF.
GREAT point about ESPN. I wonder if that would also involve some hoops action, which would be great as well.
What is funny is a few people are giving me crap about me saying C-USA might of screwed up but this proves another point. C-USA is not getting the same treatment the MWC is. Plus I recall the C-USA signing a contract with Fox. Do not know if it is still enforced or not but I would say as of now if TV money is the driving force behind expansion then the MWC has the upper hand. ESPN has made it clear the last 4 years and this coming year that they will put Boise on as much as possible. If I was the AD at SMU, Tulsa, Southern Miss, Houston.....I would be talking to Boise St.
Houston, SMU, or UCF are not going back to C-USA or the MWC. The only way they would, is if there was a complete implode of the BE and that is not happening, even though people that drink the Cool-aid think it will.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 02:12 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:
(05-07-2012 02:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:
(05-07-2012 01:57 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: Also. Id Boise and SDSU leave The Big East by June they do not have to pay the exit fee.
That's just not true. Boise and SDSU have a $5 M exit fee if they back out before July 1, 2013. The ONLY ways that gets reduced are if:
1) Conference revenue is decreased by at least 25% - fee goes down to $1 M
2) New TV contract is less than 70% for football - fee goes down to $2.5 M
3) BE loses AQ status before July 1, 2013 (unless everyone loses AQ status) - fee goes down to $1 M.
I had also read that there was a clause about the exit fee being removed if there wasn't another school added west of the rockies, but that is not in this contract.
Of those options numbered above, the only one that could happen in #2, and that won't be known until October at the earliest.
Option 2. That is where the problem is gonna be and I just got finish reading a link that Boise can leave and not pay a fee. This is what happens on days like this. To many rumors to keep up with.
If the rumor you've mentioned is true, that the BE is asking BSU and SDSU to leave or "not come", then there would certainly be no fee. Both sides would just agree to call it quits.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
Since so many feel its all doom and gloom for the BE why not consider this alternative?
BE drops FB and
Rutgers
UConn
USF
Memphis
Louisville
Cincy
Temple
become FB ONLY members in THE EAST division of a new more western based conference
WEST:
san diego st,
houston,
smu
boise st
Idaho
new mexico st
BYU
NAVY goes back to being indy or goes to western division as FB only and UMass goes to eastern Division as all sport. if navy is indy then invite st louis
These western teams , except BYU, bring on denver, seattle and ?? one other to form a 9 team all other sport conference.
RE: Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
(05-07-2012 09:49 PM)gosports1 Wrote: Since so many feel its all doom and gloom for the BE why not consider this alternative?
BE drops FB and
Rutgers
UConn
USF
Memphis
Louisville
Cincy
Temple
become FB ONLY members in THE EAST division of a new more western based conference
WEST:
san diego st,
houston,
smu
boise st
Idaho
new mexico st
BYU
NAVY goes back to being indy or goes to western division as FB only and UMass goes to eastern Division as all sport. if navy is indy then invite st louis
These western teams , except BYU, bring on denver, seattle and ?? one other to form a 9 team all other sport conference.
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Why would Boise go back to the MWC when they could just pull a Hawaii...
