(05-07-2012 08:58 AM)nert Wrote:  The BCS changes couldn't have gone worse for the BigEast. Their only path to the BCS bowls was severed - and their odds of getting into the 4 team playoff seems too long to bother mentioning. Can you imagine a year when the SEC champ or Big10 champ was not invited to a 4-team playoff? That leaves the 3rd champion to come from the Big12 or Pac12 - or possibly even the ACC14. Can you imagine a situation where they bypass not one - but all three of those conference champions to take the BigEast champion?

What about the 4th team? The fourth school of course, includes all those other non-conference champions from the SEC and Big10, plus whichever conference had the 3rd seat. All of those conferences' teams are back in the running. Frankly I think the BigEast has a better chance of being the 3rd conference champion than of being the at-large pick.

Perhaps now that the coveted AQ status no longer distinguishes the BigEast from other non-elite FB conferences; his FB-only western additions are re-thinking the shuffle? That would be so damaging to the BigEast's repuatation that someone would have to take the fall.

But none of this has actually happened yet. Everything you mentioned is pure speculation. The western teams haven't left, the playoff format hasn't been decided, nor has the BE been left out of the BCS. All of that has yet to be negotiated or happen. We don't know jack yet. I'm sure we'll know by the end of the day, if not the end of the week.

(05-07-2012 08:30 AM)brista21 Wrote:  Or the Big East is about to be raided yet again by take your pick of any BCS league east of the Pac-12.

Or perhaps they weren't happy with how the playoff and BCS bowls negotiations were going and want a more effective voice for their interests.

(05-07-2012 09:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I do agree with you about Boise/San Diego St- but I don't think that's the case. I think they're wanting a fresh face for the negotiations.

There has to be far more than "wanting a fresh face" to fire a commish.

Maybe they wanted to hire someone who looked intelligent. Marinatto never gave me the impression of him having an intellect...

(05-07-2012 08:58 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I don't think it's a good sign either...

But what do I know? IMO Marinatto should have been fired the day he was made to look stupid on national TV, just prior to the WVU-Maryland kickoff...

Pretty much. I was baffled by the decision to keep him around after that. He was made to look like a complete idiot. If the stuff that happened last fall wasn't enough to get him booted why now?

(05-07-2012 09:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:58 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:39 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:37 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Yeah they rode out the entire storm of realignment with Marinara and then all of a sudden out of the blue, months after he probably deserved to be let go he's fired out of the blue. Something is going on and it's likely not positive for the BE. Que butt hurt hater posts.

I agree this isn't likely to be good for the Big East. You don't give the guy the old heave ho now 8 months after the defections started. You woulda done that after WVU announced its intentions. Could be more defections are in the offing.

That's my first impression too.

The BCS changes couldn't have gone worse for the BigEast. Their only path to the BCS bowls was severed - and their odds of getting into the 4 team playoff seems too long to bother mentioning. Can you imagine a year when the SEC champ or Big10 champ was not invited to a 4-team playoff? That leaves the 3rd champion to come from the Big12 or Pac12 - or possibly even the ACC14. Can you imagine a situation where they bypass not one - but all three of those conference champions to take the BigEast champion?

What about the 4th team? The fourth school of course, includes all those other non-conference champions from the SEC and Big10, plus whichever conference had the 3rd seat. All of those conferences' teams are back in the running. Frankly I think the BigEast has a better chance of being the 3rd conference champion than of being the at-large pick.

Perhaps now that the coveted AQ status no longer distinguishes the BigEast from other non-elite FB conferences; his FB-only western additions are re-thinking the shuffle? That would be so damaging to the BigEast's repuatation that someone would have to take the fall.

Um- yeah I could imagine a year with Big Ten not invited to 4 team playoff. It would have just happened LAST YEAR! Or 2010. Or 2009. Or 2008.

I do agree with you about Boise/San Diego St- but I don't think that's the case. I think they're wanting a fresh face for the negotiations.

I don't think for a minute that Wisconsin would not have been in a 4 team playoff last year. Won it? No, I don't think they would have even won a game - but been excluded from it? Not a chance. I believe that the other 3 would have been Oregon, Alabama and LSU.

It's not that they would "earn" a spot - it's that they would get a spot.

Hell, if it were just the best 4 each year - we might have an all-SEC playoff occassionally.

(05-07-2012 09:10 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:58 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:39 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:37 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Yeah they rode out the entire storm of realignment with Marinara and then all of a sudden out of the blue, months after he probably deserved to be let go he's fired out of the blue. Something is going on and it's likely not positive for the BE. Que butt hurt hater posts.

I agree this isn't likely to be good for the Big East. You don't give the guy the old heave ho now 8 months after the defections started. You woulda done that after WVU announced its intentions. Could be more defections are in the offing.

That's my first impression too.

The BCS changes couldn't have gone worse for the BigEast. Their only path to the BCS bowls was severed - and their odds of getting into the 4 team playoff seems too long to bother mentioning. Can you imagine a year when the SEC champ or Big10 champ was not invited to a 4-team playoff? That leaves the 3rd champion to come from the Big12 or Pac12 - or possibly even the ACC14. Can you imagine a situation where they bypass not one - but all three of those conference champions to take the BigEast champion?

What about the 4th team? The fourth school of course, includes all those other non-conference champions from the SEC and Big10, plus whichever conference had the 3rd seat. All of those conferences' teams are back in the running. Frankly I think the BigEast has a better chance of being the 3rd conference champion than of being the at-large pick.

Perhaps now that the coveted AQ status no longer distinguishes the BigEast from other non-elite FB conferences; his FB-only western additions are re-thinking the shuffle? That would be so damaging to the BigEast's repuatation that someone would have to take the fall.

Um- yeah I could imagine a year with Big Ten not invited to 4 team playoff. It would have just happened LAST YEAR! Or 2010. Or 2009. Or 2008.

I do agree with you about Boise/San Diego St- but I don't think that's the case. I think they're wanting a fresh face for the negotiations.

I don't think for a minute that Wisconsin would not have been in a 4 team playoff last year. Won it? No, I don't think they would have even won a game - but been excluded from it? Not a chance. I believe that the other 3 would have been Oregon, Alabama and LSU.

It's not that they would "earn" a spot - it's that they would get a spot.

Hell, if it were just the best 4 each year - we might have an all-SEC playoff occassionally.

You're drunk if you think 11-1 Oklahoma St would have not been in the playoff instead of 11-2 Wisconsin. Oklahoma St had the #9 schedule in the country last year and lost 1 game. Wisconsin had the #54 schedule in the country- lost 2 games. OSU with 5 top 25 wins. Wisconsin- only 3. Not a snowballs chance in hell that OSU would have missed.

RT @PeteThamelNYT: The interim Big East Commissioner is Joe Bailey, a former Dolphins CEO. I've confirmed CBSSports reported John Marinatto is out.

(05-07-2012 09:10 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:58 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:39 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:37 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Yeah they rode out the entire storm of realignment with Marinara and then all of a sudden out of the blue, months after he probably deserved to be let go he's fired out of the blue. Something is going on and it's likely not positive for the BE. Que butt hurt hater posts.

I agree this isn't likely to be good for the Big East. You don't give the guy the old heave ho now 8 months after the defections started. You woulda done that after WVU announced its intentions. Could be more defections are in the offing.

That's my first impression too.

The BCS changes couldn't have gone worse for the BigEast. Their only path to the BCS bowls was severed - and their odds of getting into the 4 team playoff seems too long to bother mentioning. Can you imagine a year when the SEC champ or Big10 champ was not invited to a 4-team playoff? That leaves the 3rd champion to come from the Big12 or Pac12 - or possibly even the ACC14. Can you imagine a situation where they bypass not one - but all three of those conference champions to take the BigEast champion?

What about the 4th team? The fourth school of course, includes all those other non-conference champions from the SEC and Big10, plus whichever conference had the 3rd seat. All of those conferences' teams are back in the running. Frankly I think the BigEast has a better chance of being the 3rd conference champion than of being the at-large pick.

Perhaps now that the coveted AQ status no longer distinguishes the BigEast from other non-elite FB conferences; his FB-only western additions are re-thinking the shuffle? That would be so damaging to the BigEast's repuatation that someone would have to take the fall.

Um- yeah I could imagine a year with Big Ten not invited to 4 team playoff. It would have just happened LAST YEAR! Or 2010. Or 2009. Or 2008.

I do agree with you about Boise/San Diego St- but I don't think that's the case. I think they're wanting a fresh face for the negotiations.

I don't think for a minute that Wisconsin would not have been in a 4 team playoff last year. Won it? No, I don't think they would have even won a game - but been excluded from it? Not a chance. I believe that the other 3 would have been Oregon, Alabama and LSU.

It's not that they would "earn" a spot - it's that they would get a spot.

Hell, if it were just the best 4 each year - we might have an all-SEC playoff occassionally.

Oklahoma State would have been in before Wisconsin.

Oklahoma State would have been in before Oregon IMO...

(05-07-2012 09:03 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:58 AM)nert Wrote:  The BCS changes couldn't have gone worse for the BigEast. Their only path to the BCS bowls was severed - and their odds of getting into the 4 team playoff seems too long to bother mentioning. Can you imagine a year when the SEC champ or Big10 champ was not invited to a 4-team playoff? That leaves the 3rd champion to come from the Big12 or Pac12 - or possibly even the ACC14. Can you imagine a situation where they bypass not one - but all three of those conference champions to take the BigEast champion?

What about the 4th team? The fourth school of course, includes all those other non-conference champions from the SEC and Big10, plus whichever conference had the 3rd seat. All of those conferences' teams are back in the running. Frankly I think the BigEast has a better chance of being the 3rd conference champion than of being the at-large pick.

Perhaps now that the coveted AQ status no longer distinguishes the BigEast from other non-elite FB conferences; his FB-only western additions are re-thinking the shuffle? That would be so damaging to the BigEast's repuatation that someone would have to take the fall.

But none of this has actually happened yet. Everything you mentioned is pure speculation. The western teams haven't left, the playoff format hasn't been decided, nor has the BE been left out of the BCS. All of that has yet to be negotiated or happen. We don't know jack yet. I'm sure we'll know by the end of the day, if not the end of the week.

The most important parts have (no AQ, 4-team playoff) - although they are still deciding if a conference will be limited to 2 teams in the 4-team playoff or not (the SEC wants no limit...because they'd be the most likely to have more than 2 of the top 4 teams in the country). Regardless, the loss of the AQ status effectively makes the BigEast FB into C-USA 2.0 (most of their FB teams were in C-USA weren't they? L'ville, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, SMU, Houston, Memphis... and counting).

This was long overdue, the moves in the East could have been done years before. Coaches and FB Presidents alike wanted to add teams for the scheduling issues they faced. The Big East was not proactive and didn't have the sight to see expansion on the horizon.

Another horrible mistake was letting WVU go with a slap on the hand. Should have stuck to the legal side and take it all the way out. WVU signed multiple agreements but Marinatto got soft like a meatball.

(05-07-2012 09:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:10 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:58 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:39 AM)brista21 Wrote:  I agree this isn't likely to be good for the Big East. You don't give the guy the old heave ho now 8 months after the defections started. You woulda done that after WVU announced its intentions. Could be more defections are in the offing.

That's my first impression too.

The BCS changes couldn't have gone worse for the BigEast. Their only path to the BCS bowls was severed - and their odds of getting into the 4 team playoff seems too long to bother mentioning. Can you imagine a year when the SEC champ or Big10 champ was not invited to a 4-team playoff? That leaves the 3rd champion to come from the Big12 or Pac12 - or possibly even the ACC14. Can you imagine a situation where they bypass not one - but all three of those conference champions to take the BigEast champion?

What about the 4th team? The fourth school of course, includes all those other non-conference champions from the SEC and Big10, plus whichever conference had the 3rd seat. All of those conferences' teams are back in the running. Frankly I think the BigEast has a better chance of being the 3rd conference champion than of being the at-large pick.

Perhaps now that the coveted AQ status no longer distinguishes the BigEast from other non-elite FB conferences; his FB-only western additions are re-thinking the shuffle? That would be so damaging to the BigEast's repuatation that someone would have to take the fall.

Um- yeah I could imagine a year with Big Ten not invited to 4 team playoff. It would have just happened LAST YEAR! Or 2010. Or 2009. Or 2008.

I do agree with you about Boise/San Diego St- but I don't think that's the case. I think they're wanting a fresh face for the negotiations.

I don't think for a minute that Wisconsin would not have been in a 4 team playoff last year. Won it? No, I don't think they would have even won a game - but been excluded from it? Not a chance. I believe that the other 3 would have been Oregon, Alabama and LSU.

It's not that they would "earn" a spot - it's that they would get a spot.

Hell, if it were just the best 4 each year - we might have an all-SEC playoff occassionally.

You're drunk if you think 11-1 Oklahoma St would have not been in the playoff instead of 11-2 Wisconsin. Oklahoma St had the #9 schedule in the country last year and lost 1 game. Wisconsin had the #54 schedule in the country- lost 2 games. OSU with 5 top 25 wins. Wisconsin- only 3. Not a snowballs chance in hell that OSU would have missed.

Then we disagree.

(05-07-2012 09:19 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  You're drunk if you think 11-1 Oklahoma St would have not been in the playoff instead of 11-2 Wisconsin. Oklahoma St had the #9 schedule in the country last year and lost 1 game. Wisconsin had the #54 schedule in the country- lost 2 games. OSU with 5 top 25 wins. Wisconsin- only 3. Not a snowballs chance in hell that OSU would have missed.

Then we disagree.

I'd say you're refusing to accept the facts, in favor of your preferences...

(05-07-2012 09:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:19 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  You're drunk if you think 11-1 Oklahoma St would have not been in the playoff instead of 11-2 Wisconsin. Oklahoma St had the #9 schedule in the country last year and lost 1 game. Wisconsin had the #54 schedule in the country- lost 2 games. OSU with 5 top 25 wins. Wisconsin- only 3. Not a snowballs chance in hell that OSU would have missed.

Then we disagree.

I'd say you're refusing to accept the facts, in favor of your preferences...

And by your post you would have had: OklahomaSt (instead of Oregon), Alabama, LSU and who then? If your next is Wisconsin, you've disagreed without a difference since the Big10 and SEC would still have a school each.

And it isn't my preference - I'm not a Wisconsin or Big10 fan - I just believe we're playing in an SEC/Big10 playground...and it's by invitation only.

Don't tell Rick Pitino!! Put him on suicide watch.

(05-07-2012 07:57 AM)epark88 Wrote:  Next.

Kevin Weiberg on Line 1, please...

Hands off of Weiberg -- we need him for the Pac after Scott gets his next big gig. If you want a former Big 12 commish, Dan Beebe is available. :)

(05-07-2012 09:27 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:19 AM)nert Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  You're drunk if you think 11-1 Oklahoma St would have not been in the playoff instead of 11-2 Wisconsin. Oklahoma St had the #9 schedule in the country last year and lost 1 game. Wisconsin had the #54 schedule in the country- lost 2 games. OSU with 5 top 25 wins. Wisconsin- only 3. Not a snowballs chance in hell that OSU would have missed.

Then we disagree.

I'd say you're refusing to accept the facts, in favor of your preferences...

And by your post you would have had: OklahomaSt (instead of Oregon), Alabama, LSU and who then? If your next is Wisconsin, you've disagreed without a difference since the Big10 and SEC would still have a school each.

And it isn't my preference - I'm not a Wisconsin or Big10 fan - I just believe we're playing in an SEC/Big10 playground...and it's by invitation only.

It'd be Oregon. Wisconsin was brutal last year in the computers. 14.50 avg BCS computers. Only 4 wins vs teams in the top half of FBS. Oregon had 5- including a win over Stanford.

Also- I think it's going to be some formula- and any formula would have had Oregon over Wisconsin.

Wonder when Dan beebe is up too?

(05-07-2012 09:40 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Wonder when Dan beebe is up too?

I wonder what Dan Beebe thinks about this on twitter.