(05-03-2012 10:41 PM)UCFL Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 10:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 07:12 PM)UCFL Wrote:  Terry Holland is not popular with many people outside of greenville. I know the Big East administrators think he is a joke.

Maybe you should ask UVa, the NCAA basketball admins, USA basketball at all levels, Davidson college, and the legendary coaches of the acc if he's popular.

Do me a favor, next time you don't know what you're talking about, just stop talking and eat one of lmckay's used carrots

He WAS, his time has come and passed. ECU needs a fresh leader who has not burnt bridges with several conferences, including CUSA.

Is that respect from those parties just gone now? I can tell you that it isn't

(05-03-2012 10:41 PM)UCFL Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 10:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 07:12 PM)UCFL Wrote:  Terry Holland is not popular with many people outside of greenville. I know the Big East administrators think he is a joke.

Maybe you should ask UVa, the NCAA basketball admins, USA basketball at all levels, Davidson college, and the legendary coaches of the acc if he's popular.

Do me a favor, next time you don't know what you're talking about, just stop talking and eat one of lmckay's used carrots

He WAS, his time has come and passed. ECU needs a fresh leader who has not burnt bridges with several conferences, including CUSA.

Really, dude?

I appreciate your concern regarding the Pirates, but the fact is the overwhelming majority of ECU fans are in favor of TH.

(05-03-2012 06:35 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  can you please keep all these random ecu threads on a ecu themed board (like boneyard banter of whatever the hell it's called)

not trying to be a prick but threads about whether or not ecu should add volleyball or soccer does not belong on a cusa board, imo.

If you don't want to be a prick, don't act like one.

Total success.

Great football attendance, facilities, carved out a "pod" for ECU...etc,

I mean, not getting into the Big East isn't necessarily his failure, just looking at some of the teams they took gives me some solace in that regard. People blame our former AD for not moving up, and while I don't like the guy myself, I have a hard time believing there is much he could have done about our situation. It seems the only ticket out of C-USA for ECU and USM would be to have a Boise/TCU type run, but that is much easier said than done.

I wonder if UCF fans would consider their ousted cheating AD a success or failure...

(05-03-2012 11:13 PM)Yes I Am A Pirate Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 10:41 PM)UCFL Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 10:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 07:12 PM)UCFL Wrote:  Terry Holland is not popular with many people outside of greenville. I know the Big East administrators think he is a joke.

Maybe you should ask UVa, the NCAA basketball admins, USA basketball at all levels, Davidson college, and the legendary coaches of the acc if he's popular.

Do me a favor, next time you don't know what you're talking about, just stop talking and eat one of lmckay's used carrots

He WAS, his time has come and passed. ECU needs a fresh leader who has not burnt bridges with several conferences, including CUSA.

Really, dude?

I appreciate your concern regarding the Pirates, but the fact is the overwhelming majority of ECU fans are in favor of TH.

Would not pay attention to what an ass hat like UCFL has to say. He is just doing what he has always done...stir the pot and not contribute anything constructive. His school moved on for nothing they have done or will do but for the dirt their campus was built on and there is nothing TH could have done about that. He has a great relationship with a lot of AD's around the country but it is not surprising that the Big East does not like a former ACC Coach and ACC AD since the ACC effectively destroyed the Big East after two raids.
As for TH ?? He took over a flaming dumpster fire at ECU and added stability and credibility to our Athletic Department after it had been wrecked. For that alone I am thankful. The Athletic Facilities saw a $100 million upgrade on his watch and he did a good job scheduling OOC. He works for ECU because he enjoys it and has a passion for it not because he needs a job or money. He has laid a strong foundation for whoever replaces him and did what I hope of any Coach or Athletic Dept Official who comes to ECU...he will leave ECU better then he found it.

(05-03-2012 09:44 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
TH is a former coach of basketball at UVA.

That's probably the most frustrating point...as many at ECU thought TH would IMMEDIATELY INVEST and TURN AROUND their pathetic hoop program in that BASKETBALL CRAZED STATE when he came to ECU in 2004....but TH, like his predecessors just ignored basketball, ignored their old arena...only focused on football...and in the end...all that got them was some new Div I-AA conf members....as newer CUSA teams like UCF and and SMU (joined CUSA in 2005) jumped passed ECU into the Big East.

TH "was" a BASKETBALL GUY...and many think if he spent just 30%-40% of his FOOTBALL ONLY focus on basketball instead...it might have been ECU finally joining the Big East...and not ECU finding new conf members that haven't even played a Div I-AA game yet.

(05-04-2012 06:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 09:44 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
TH is a former coach of basketball at UVA.

That's probably the most frustrating point...as many at ECU thought TH would IMMEDIATELY INVEST and TURN AROUND their pathetic hoop program in that BASKETBALL CRAZED STATE when he came to ECU in 2004....but TH, like his predecessors just ignored basketball, ignored their old arena...only focused on football...and in the end...all that got them was some new Div I-AA conf members....as newer CUSA teams like UCF and and SMU (joined CUSA in 2005) jumped passed ECU into the Big East.

TH "was" a BASKETBALL GUY...and many think if he spent just 30%-40% of his FOOTBALL ONLY focus on basketball instead...it might have been ECU finally joining the Big East...and not ECU finding new conf members that haven't even played a Div I-AA game yet.

Quite frankly you don't know what the Fuc$ your talking about when it comes to TH and ECU Basketball. He invested in Football because that is what pays the bills for ECU and most every other Athletic program. He knows that even as a Basketball Coach. He screwed the pooch with the Ricky Stokes hire but seems to have made a solid hire in Jeff Lebo. He was instrumental in the $15 million dollar practice facility that we break ground on to bring Facility investment on his watch over $100 million. He also came up with the $500k to pay Lebo which was a doubling of our Coaching salary budget for Basketball. He had long term and short term goals when he arrived. The short term was turning Football around since it drives the bus at ECU. Long term he wants Basketball to improve and it is on the right path now.

If ECU had solid BB teams the last few years we were still not going to the Big East. They want urban campuses with large TV markets. They sold their soul and plugged their nose to take Boise St to add to their FB credibility. If they wanted both FB and BB they could have taken Southern Miss but didn't.

(05-03-2012 10:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 07:12 PM)UCFL Wrote:  Terry Holland is not popular with many people outside of greenville. I know the Big East administrators think he is a joke.

Maybe you should ask UVa, the NCAA basketball admins, USA basketball at all levels, Davidson college, and the legendary coaches of the acc if he's popular.

That's the point even some ECU fans have tried making...TH was a BASKETBALL GUY...yet ignored ECU Basketball woes for sooooo long in their Basketball loving state...which is ONE of the reasons why ECU will soon have some I-AA conf mates.

There is absolutely nothing Terry Holland or any other AD can do to change East Carolina's conference affiliation. The Big East is not interested in rural schools situated smack dab in the middle of prominent ACC territory. The Big East is an urban league of basketball first universities that just happen to play football, located primarily in the Northeast and Midwest, plus outposts in Florida and Texas along with a couple of specifically targeted Western football-only partners. There is nothing anyone can do to change this reality.

Total success as AD! Period! Our facilities have dramatically improved and basketball is now getting the attention it deserves...it will happen very soon! TH had a huge job when he stepped into this role and fixing basketball was not on top of the list...getting football attendance to 50,000 and plans laid out for expansion to 58,000 was extremely important. No AD can change the fact ECU is located 13 miles outside of the Raleigh/Durham TV market...and that is what the Big East wants and it appears that is what C-USA is going after now.

I think it's unanimous. With that, can we please just let this thread die? We're indirectly giving some mouthbreather credibility by entertaining his ridiculous assertion.

Worst thread ever. Not only are we giving credit to that complete idiot who called the DG show we brought that piece of sh*t gutter trash dou*hebag UCFL back out of hiding. That fu*k face should have been banned long ago. Good people die everyday and yet that jacka*s still walks the earth.

TH has done a fine job...period.

(05-04-2012 06:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 09:44 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
TH is a former coach of basketball at UVA.

That's probably the most frustrating point...as many at ECU thought TH would IMMEDIATELY INVEST and TURN AROUND their pathetic hoop program in that BASKETBALL CRAZED STATE when he came to ECU in 2004....but TH, like his predecessors just ignored basketball, ignored their old arena...only focused on football...and in the end...all that got them was some new Div I-AA conf members....as newer CUSA teams like UCF and and SMU (joined CUSA in 2005) jumped passed ECU into the Big East.

TH "was" a BASKETBALL GUY...and many think if he spent just 30%-40% of his FOOTBALL ONLY focus on basketball instead...it might have been ECU finally joining the Big East...and not ECU finding new conf members that haven't even played a Div I-AA game yet.

I think you greatly underestimate the problems our BBall program had when he arrived. I mean we were way way down in a hole. We won our first ever C-USA tournament game on March 9, 2011 and have now won 3. It was the first post season win since 1996, which is 8 years before TH got here. Now we are building a new $15 million practice facility.

What exactly was he supposed to do, just wave his magic wand and make basketball good at ECU?

And as to him focusing on football instead of basketball that is a wise decision on his part. We finished 14-15 in basketball this year and people are optimistic about the direction our basketball team is taking. In 2010 we went to a bowl and lost to a ranked opponent, and we beat teams that finished the season ranked that year and fans were calling for a first year coache's head. Is the Picture getting though as to the hierarchy of sports at ECU? Do you not think the expansion of ECU's football stadium was at all aimed at making ECU more attractive? Were SMU and Houston picked for basketball? I'm sure the Big East is dying to bring up their basketball reputations with NIT competitors or worse. Unless you think there is a reasonable chance we could have made ourselves into an NCAA team after an eternity of mediocrity at best, there is nothing TH could have done.

(05-05-2012 07:35 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  There is absolutely nothing Terry Holland or any other AD can do to change East Carolina's conference affiliation. The Big East is not interested in rural schools situated smack dab in the middle of prominent ACC territory.

The problem is he is a hypocrite and validated the Big East model when he pushed a school that hadn't even played a down, over a school like App that had actual fan support and success and that he also said he liked. At this point all the facility improvements and other improvements made under him are irrelevant because he single handily got them in and that is even worse for our future than not getting in the Big East. Dont even get me started on the public application embarrassment 2 days after Pitt and cuse left either that made us a national joke. He will go down as the worst leader in ECU history. He's the anti-Leo Jenkins.

Jenkins took us away from local small college ball 40 years ago with local schools like App and Richmond to go national as an indy and set in motion a policy of not playing App which helped farther separate us. Holland has taken us right back to where we were 40 years ago wanting to build rivalries with them and now even worse area start ups. He has elevated programs that haven't even played a down to the same status it took us 40+ years to obtain and welcomed them to eat off the same recruiting plate we do and already had won control over.

Whatever we will save because of a couple of trips a year travel wise we lost 1000 times over giving up all the advantages Jenkins and the leaders of the past had won for us 40 years ago. Those schools he added will start cutting into our recruiting tomorrow and they will undercut our athletic potential forever. He's made this process easy for them to undercut us quick and the choice easy for the Big East or whatever better conference comes along to add them if and when they want a school in this area. He even validated their model by getting them pushed through. He is a failure and the sheep that blindly follow him allowed our future to be screwed.

Mods, can you please lock this thread? Nothing useful is going to come as a result of this.

Why? This is a conference issue too. He not only screwed us forever, he screwed it up for the entire conference as well. CUSA/MWC had a ton of potential if they had stayed at 16 or 18. Our leaders are the ones that wanted 24+ and now about half of our side of the conference hasn't even played football for 5 years. You can blame Holland for that one as well.

(05-05-2012 10:19 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Why? This is a conference issue too. He not only screwed us forever, he screwed it up for the entire conference as well. CUSA/MWC had a ton of potential if they had stayed at 16 or 18. Our leaders are the ones that wanted 24+ and now about half of our side of the conference hasn't even played football for 5 years. You can blame Holland for that one as well.

TH had nothing to do with the members leaving CUSA for greener pastures. While I am totally pissed with the outcome of this mess...I don't blame him for it.

StillJonesing.....

On the level I agree that UTSA, Charlotte, and ODU are suspect choices for the reasons you state on their football heritage.


However, TH is only 1 part in the CUSA machine. Also, the ones complain like you are the same ones that didn't like CUSA travel--now we get schools closer. Complained that if we travel tv revenues need to offset it it--they went with tv markets too, so they could get the tv$$ to pay for the travel. You complain about fan support and attendance--they add schools close enough to make the road trips to DF unlike a lot of our conference foes.

I also agree that the public app to the BE was a mistake unless an invite was in hand.

But at that point, considering how the BE has treated ECU in their own expansion plans what are you going to do? IF you want tell me ACC or SEC is in our future then you are crazy. If you want to tell me that moving down to the MAC or SBC are options for travel being closer that would be worse than staying IN CUSA. It looks like ECU will be a flagship/cornerstone member in CUSA and if that is the case then we need to make CUSA the best it can be. Maybe those MAC schools didn't want out of the MAC to come here. Maybe all these wish for others thought for some reason joining the Alliance wasn't in their best interests.

I'm not totally riding the jock of who CUSA chose but in comparison to the WILLING TO MOVE talent pool I don't think we did too bad in looking at future possibilities.

And you can't 100% FAIL Terry Holland on that.