Kind of an interesting 3 point shot column by Andy Katz today:
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...point-shot

Sounds as if there's indecision about the move to CUSA. It's interesting to read. If ODU doesn't go- is MTSU next?

Sounds like there's quite the bond between VCU/GMU/ODU. I'd look for the 3 of them to remain together.... Most likely in the CAA.

Football drives the bus. If ODU has FBS aspirations, they will accept the invite to C-USA.

Holland went way out there for ODU from everything I have heard, and I can't imagine they would seriously turn it down. The CAA is about to be gutted and be a 1 bid league most likely, so Katz point is a pretty stupid one. Not to mention I don't think C-USA long term is going to be a 1 bid league anyway. They are going to come, because football drives the bus and the MAC isn't going to give ODU the deal they gave Temple of FB only and A10 all other sports. This is pretty much the best chance ODU ever has of being an FBS team, and with several very regional schools in the league.

(05-03-2012 08:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Kind of an interesting 3 point shot column by Andy Katz today:
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...point-shot

Sounds as if there's indecision about the move to CUSA. It's interesting to read. If ODU doesn't go- is MTSU next?

Sounds like there's quite the bond between VCU/GMU/ODU. I'd look for the 3 of them to remain together.... Most likely in the CAA.

If they want to remain together, the best way is all 3 to the A10 to make 16 and fb only in the MAC for ODU.

(05-03-2012 08:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Holland went way out there for ODU from everything I have heard, and I can't imagine they would seriously turn it down. The CAA is about to be gutted and be a 1 bid league most likely, so Katz point is a pretty stupid one. Not to mention I don't think C-USA long term is going to be a 1 bid league anyway. They are going to come, because football drives the bus and the MAC isn't going to give ODU the deal they gave Temple of FB only and A10 all other sports. This is pretty much the best chance ODU ever has of being an FBS team, and with several very regional schools in the league.

I actually could see the MAC doing an A-10/MAC deal with ODU. They would also take JMU/UDel all sports.

That way ODU, VCU, Mason all stay together in basketball in the A-10 while ODU, JMU, and UDel all stay together in football in the MAC.

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How about all three to the C-USA to get them to 16 in BB?

ODU probably likes the idea of CUSA over MAC in football, but doesn't like the idea of sending it's nonrevenue sports all the way out to UTEP. Would they like to stick with JMU and GM in the A10, probably, would the MAC be alright with that, maybe. Bottom line is, the school has supposedly received an invite from an FBS conference and if they don't want it, there's plenty of other fish out there to pick from. Katz's column sounds more like an opinion, then anything else. Of course, they are weighing their options and considering everything. Could be waiting on the Big East to realize Tidewater is huge and they have no team in Virginia.

(05-03-2012 02:16 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  ODU probably likes the idea of CUSA over MAC in football, but doesn't like the idea of sending it's nonrevenue sports all the way out to UTEP. Would they like to stick with JMU and GM in the A10, probably, would the MAC be alright with that, maybe. Bottom line is, the school has supposedly received an invite from an FBS conference and if they don't want it, there's plenty of other fish out there to pick from. Katz's column sounds more like an opinion, then anything else. Of course, they are weighing their options and considering everything.

With 14 schools in the league I don't see much reason or need for them to send oly sports that far. Regional scheduling should be easier with 14 schools. For basketball, I imagine there would only be 1 game between ODU and UTEP (or any other Texas school) each year. That cuts down on travel a good deal, if the conference can figure out how to schedule properly.

CUSA would not habe invited ODU w/out knowing that ODU would join in advance.... right?

(05-03-2012 02:16 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  ODU probably likes the idea of CUSA over MAC in football, but doesn't like the idea of sending it's nonrevenue sports all the way out to UTEP. Would they like to stick with JMU and GM in the A10, probably, would the MAC be alright with that, maybe. Bottom line is, the school has supposedly received an invite from an FBS conference and if they don't want it, there's plenty of other fish out there to pick from. Katz's column sounds more like an opinion, then anything else. Of course, they are weighing their options and considering everything. Could be waiting on the Big East to realize Tidewater is huge and they have no team in Virginia.

Sounds about right to me.

(05-03-2012 02:21 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:16 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  ODU probably likes the idea of CUSA over MAC in football, but doesn't like the idea of sending it's nonrevenue sports all the way out to UTEP. Would they like to stick with JMU and GM in the A10, probably, would the MAC be alright with that, maybe. Bottom line is, the school has supposedly received an invite from an FBS conference and if they don't want it, there's plenty of other fish out there to pick from. Katz's column sounds more like an opinion, then anything else. Of course, they are weighing their options and considering everything.

With 14 schools in the league I don't see much reason or need for them to send oly sports that far. Regional scheduling should be easier with 14 schools. For basketball, I imagine there would only be 1 game between ODU and UTEP (or any other Texas school) each year. That cuts down on travel a good deal, if the conference can figure out how to schedule properly.

In any scheduling scenario, A-10 is a tighter footprint for them concerning basketball. Richmond, George Washington, George Mason, VCU are all right in their back yard and 3 more schools in Philly make travel easy (1 trip to visit 3 schools), etc..

(05-03-2012 02:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:21 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:16 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  ODU probably likes the idea of CUSA over MAC in football, but doesn't like the idea of sending it's nonrevenue sports all the way out to UTEP. Would they like to stick with JMU and GM in the A10, probably, would the MAC be alright with that, maybe. Bottom line is, the school has supposedly received an invite from an FBS conference and if they don't want it, there's plenty of other fish out there to pick from. Katz's column sounds more like an opinion, then anything else. Of course, they are weighing their options and considering everything.

With 14 schools in the league I don't see much reason or need for them to send oly sports that far. Regional scheduling should be easier with 14 schools. For basketball, I imagine there would only be 1 game between ODU and UTEP (or any other Texas school) each year. That cuts down on travel a good deal, if the conference can figure out how to schedule properly.

In any scheduling scenario, A-10 is a tighter footprint for them concerning basketball. Richmond, George Washington, George Mason, VCU are all right in their back yard and 3 more schools in Philly make travel easy (1 trip to visit 3 schools), etc..

What they have to determine is what do they care about most. The best opportunity in football for them is C-USA, and games between ODU and ECU, Charlotte, and Marshall will be big draws regionally, especially the ECU game. Their travel is going to increase, and basketball won't be quite as good as the A10 would be, but that's the decision they will have to make.

(05-03-2012 02:21 PM)No Bull Wrote:  CUSA would not habe invited ODU w/out knowing that ODU would join in advance.... right?

I haven't seen or read anything that says they've "officially" been invited to CUSA. Same for Charlotte.

(05-03-2012 02:37 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:21 PM)No Bull Wrote:  CUSA would not habe invited ODU w/out knowing that ODU would join in advance.... right?

I haven't seen or read anything that says they've "officially" been invited to CUSA. Same for Charlotte.

Well we've officially turned down the Sun Belt and if Judy plans to tell a ballroom full of fans that we're going all sports to the CAA tomorrow, she had better have a police detachment for protection cause she won't like the reaction.

(05-03-2012 02:22 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:16 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  ODU probably likes the idea of CUSA over MAC in football, but doesn't like the idea of sending it's nonrevenue sports all the way out to UTEP. Would they like to stick with JMU and GM in the A10, probably, would the MAC be alright with that, maybe. Bottom line is, the school has supposedly received an invite from an FBS conference and if they don't want it, there's plenty of other fish out there to pick from. Katz's column sounds more like an opinion, then anything else. Of course, they are weighing their options and considering everything. Could be waiting on the Big East to realize Tidewater is huge and they have no team in Virginia.

Sounds about right to me.

Non-revenue sports aren't sent to UTEP. Only basketball would require one trip every other year at the most. UTEP, Tulsa, UNT also don't have baseball. This is a big misconception about non-rev sports in general and especially in CUSA for some reason. Conference play equates to a tournament once or twice over the course of a weekend. All out of conference is usually handled with local schools. For example, most of ECU's non-rev OOC games are vs schools in NC, VA, TN and SC. This applies to tennis, golf, track and field, swimming, etc.

I suppose it's much easier to make uninformed generalizations than to research something. It's lilke some of you have never looked at a non-rev schedule.

Also, at 14 members the so called "travel issues" decrease even more.

(05-03-2012 05:17 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:22 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:16 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  ODU probably likes the idea of CUSA over MAC in football, but doesn't like the idea of sending it's nonrevenue sports all the way out to UTEP. Would they like to stick with JMU and GM in the A10, probably, would the MAC be alright with that, maybe. Bottom line is, the school has supposedly received an invite from an FBS conference and if they don't want it, there's plenty of other fish out there to pick from. Katz's column sounds more like an opinion, then anything else. Of course, they are weighing their options and considering everything. Could be waiting on the Big East to realize Tidewater is huge and they have no team in Virginia.

Sounds about right to me.

Non-revenue sports aren't sent to UTEP. Only basketball would require one trip every other year at the most. UTEP, Tulsa, UNT also don't have baseball. This is a big misconception about non-rev sports in general and especially in CUSA for some reason. Conference play equates to a tournament once or twice over the course of a weekend. All out of conference is usually handled with local schools. For example, most of ECU's non-rev OOC games are vs schools in NC, VA, TN and SC. This applies to tennis, golf, track and field, swimming, etc.

I suppose it's much easier to make uninformed generalizations than to research something. It's lilke some of you have never looked at a non-rev schedule.

Also, at 14 members the so called "travel issues" decrease even more.

If you're referring to what I wrote, then " I suppose " you're being condescending.

Couple of things here.
1. Don't need you correcting me. Wanna disagree, by all means disagree. You're assuming something which is just the same as generalizing.
2. Nonrevenue sports as used in my synopsis means any sport other than football.
3. UTEP was used as an example being the furtherest school away from ECU or ODU for that matter.
4. Rice, USM, UTSA, Tulane, La Tech, FIU all have baseball and womens softball and play a conference schedule. Tulsa has womens softball.
5. I understand all "nonrevenue sports" don't necessarily apply.
6. Simply voicing an opinion. We're allowed to do that on this site.

Q/A Move by Monarchs to CUSA

Quote:What is the benefit to moving to Conference USA?

Image and profile. While the move will challenge the school as far as travel is concerned, it will now be a player in a bigger arena

(05-03-2012 08:33 AM)Mothership Wrote:  Football drives the bus. If ODU has FBS aspirations, they will accept the invite to C-USA.

Andy Katz has never heard of this "sport" and seriously doubts its existence.

(05-03-2012 05:40 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  If you're referring to what I wrote, then " I suppose " you're being condescending.

Couple of things here.
1. Don't need you correcting me. Wanna disagree, by all means disagree. You're assuming something which is just the same as generalizing.
2. Nonrevenue sports as used in my synopsis means any sport other than football. 3. UTEP was used as an example being the furtherest school away from ECU or ODU for that matter.
4. Rice, USM, UTSA, Tulane, La Tech, FIU all have baseball and womens softball and play a conference schedule. Tulsa has womens softball.
5. I understand all "nonrevenue sports" don't necessarily apply.
6. Simply voicing an opinion. We're allowed to do that on this site.

Q/A Move by Monarchs to CUSA

Revenue Sports are Basketball and Football. Everything else is -non-revenue. The only sports that could come close are Hockey and Baseball and that would depend on the school.

(05-03-2012 08:40 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 05:40 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  If you're referring to what I wrote, then " I suppose " you're being condescending.

Couple of things here.
1. Don't need you correcting me. Wanna disagree, by all means disagree. You're assuming something which is just the same as generalizing.
2. Nonrevenue sports as used in my synopsis means any sport other than football. 3. UTEP was used as an example being the furtherest school away from ECU or ODU for that matter.
4. Rice, USM, UTSA, Tulane, La Tech, FIU all have baseball and womens softball and play a conference schedule. Tulsa has womens softball.
5. I understand all "nonrevenue sports" don't necessarily apply.
6. Simply voicing an opinion. We're allowed to do that on this site.

Q/A Move by Monarchs to CUSA

Revenue Sports are Basketball and Football. Everything else is -non-revenue. The only sports that could come close are Hockey and Baseball and that would depend on the school.

Football is a revenue sport. Got that. Basketball brings in some revenue, got that. But whether nonrevenue is everything else or not, it doesn't change Blunder being a smartazz about it. The point of the post is why ODU might not want to take a CUSA invite and the linked article reiterated that point. I used the term loosely, but we're not seeing the forest for the trees as they say.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=568...pid7849895


I have stated comments in the thread in replying to the video BUT the short version is..... ODU is funded off $92/credit hour student fees and the can't swing $4M to do it. That said, if I was a 1aa and got the call up and didn't go then I would think the donors and money from that end would dry up as you are basically saying...we aren't growing our athletic program.