(04-21-2012 10:33 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Moving up to FBS MAC is a jump up and we need to pay the bills. It's going to hurt no matter what, play the best OOC schedule to prepare yourself for league play. Hope to be 500 in the MAC by year 2 or 3.

All UMass really needs to do to move the bar up is win 1 game over a MAC team that finishes above .500. :sly:

(04-21-2012 10:33 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  ..Ohio and EMU at home and road games at Miami and NIU. The last one is terrible in BB, but it will nice to have revenge from football.

Didn't you hear? We've been upgraded to awful.

If this happens, the CAA needs to mostly get rid of the hybrid structure, and focus on becoming the FCS league for public schools in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic Region. Step 1 is to replace Georgia State, VCU, and George Mason with Central Connecticut, Albany, and Stony Brook. Step 2 is to kick out Hofstra and Northeastern, who can either return to the AEC or beg the A-10 for admission, and replace them with Coastal Carolina and Liberty.

Drexel and UNC Wilmington can stay in basketball and minor sports for a 10/12 alignment. Maine and New Hampshire can stay as football-only members to get the CAA back to 12 teams like it had before. Richmond should be kicked out however, as revenge for the raid, and Villanova should go away too.

NEW LOOK FOOTBALL-FOCUSED CAA
Central Connecticut \ Albany
Stony Brook \ Drexel
Delaware \ Towson
James Madison \ Liberty
William & Mary \ Old Dominion
UNC Wilmington \ Coastal Carolina

Football-Only Members: Maine \ New Hampshire

Richmond and Villanova can go to the Patriot League, helping turn it into the private school FCS league for the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic Region. That is of course, unless Villanova decides to upgrade to the Big East, which I will doubt until the day it happens. Richmond must suffer for the A-10's sins.

No longer should the CAA give a football home to a member of a conference that just carried out a devastating raid. Nor should sources of instability like Villanova be tolerated anymore. Make a true commitment to football and let the basketball chips land where they may. The AEC would benefit by losing two sources of instability, due to the football aspirations of Albany and Stony Brook, while the Patriot League would grow from 7 to 9 in football.

(04-21-2012 03:19 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(04-21-2012 01:11 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 04:30 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 04:15 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 04:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You might have had a shot at those schools had the MVC asked St Louis to return a few years back. They would have probably been interested. That ship has likely sailed.

They shoulda asked Butler and ORU(or whoever they see fit) last year before the A10 got to them.

It's been my understanding that Butler had been talked to but didn't feel it was worth leaving the Horizon. I'm not sure anyone has had much interest in ORU. Many are cautious about small private schools at this point. We already have enough schools struggling some financially and not able to invest in their programs. I think ORU could have been added if there were a much stronger 11th option to bring in with them.

Since they are already in MVC Football, once they've had a year or 2 under their belt in the Summit, I expect the Valley to invite ND ST for basketball.

The MVC and the MVFC(football) are not the same conference. Western Ill, Youngstown, south dakota are also in the MVFC but won't be getting an MVC invite, those schools aren't up to par with the MVC in basketball. NDSU would be dead last in MVC basketball facilities and attendence

NDSU wouldn't have the votes to get in. They bring next to nothing to the conference in basketball and that's really all that matters in the Valley. I'm of the belief that the Valley needs to move to 12, but there's just not a lot of attractive additions. I'd have to do a lot of research to find out what schools in the area have the ability to improve and finance basketball. Schools I'd consider to be on some sort of potential list would include Milwaukee, UIC, Wright State, Belmont, Murray State and ORU. I think we know what ORU brings and can do. Not overly exciting. I have no clue what any of the athletic departments are like or what kind of funds they can generate. So I have no idea if moving to 12 would actually make any sense considering Butler is off the table.

It sucks being stuck in the MVC.

(04-23-2012 01:24 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-21-2012 03:19 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(04-21-2012 01:11 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 04:30 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 04:15 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  They shoulda asked Butler and ORU(or whoever they see fit) last year before the A10 got to them.

It's been my understanding that Butler had been talked to but didn't feel it was worth leaving the Horizon. I'm not sure anyone has had much interest in ORU. Many are cautious about small private schools at this point. We already have enough schools struggling some financially and not able to invest in their programs. I think ORU could have been added if there were a much stronger 11th option to bring in with them.

Since they are already in MVC Football, once they've had a year or 2 under their belt in the Summit, I expect the Valley to invite ND ST for basketball.

The MVC and the MVFC(football) are not the same conference. Western Ill, Youngstown, south dakota are also in the MVFC but won't be getting an MVC invite, those schools aren't up to par with the MVC in basketball. NDSU would be dead last in MVC basketball facilities and attendence

NDSU wouldn't have the votes to get in. They bring next to nothing to the conference in basketball and that's really all that matters in the Valley. I'm of the belief that the Valley needs to move to 12, but there's just not a lot of attractive additions. I'd have to do a lot of research to find out what schools in the area have the ability to improve and finance basketball. Schools I'd consider to be on some sort of potential list would include Milwaukee, UIC, Wright State, Belmont, Murray State and ORU. I think we know what ORU brings and can do. Not overly exciting. I have no clue what any of the athletic departments are like or what kind of funds they can generate. So I have no idea if moving to 12 would actually make any sense considering Butler is off the table.

It sucks being stuck in the MVC.

Out of those schools listed, NDSU would have the ability to improve and finance basketball probablly the best. They are a football school first and the support they get from that is pretty impressive. Putting the MVC tag on their basketball would improve it quite a bit.

(04-23-2012 04:13 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(04-23-2012 01:24 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-21-2012 03:19 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(04-21-2012 01:11 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 04:30 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  It's been my understanding that Butler had been talked to but didn't feel it was worth leaving the Horizon. I'm not sure anyone has had much interest in ORU. Many are cautious about small private schools at this point. We already have enough schools struggling some financially and not able to invest in their programs. I think ORU could have been added if there were a much stronger 11th option to bring in with them.

Since they are already in MVC Football, once they've had a year or 2 under their belt in the Summit, I expect the Valley to invite ND ST for basketball.

The MVC and the MVFC(football) are not the same conference. Western Ill, Youngstown, south dakota are also in the MVFC but won't be getting an MVC invite, those schools aren't up to par with the MVC in basketball. NDSU would be dead last in MVC basketball facilities and attendence

NDSU wouldn't have the votes to get in. They bring next to nothing to the conference in basketball and that's really all that matters in the Valley. I'm of the belief that the Valley needs to move to 12, but there's just not a lot of attractive additions. I'd have to do a lot of research to find out what schools in the area have the ability to improve and finance basketball. Schools I'd consider to be on some sort of potential list would include Milwaukee, UIC, Wright State, Belmont, Murray State and ORU. I think we know what ORU brings and can do. Not overly exciting. I have no clue what any of the athletic departments are like or what kind of funds they can generate. So I have no idea if moving to 12 would actually make any sense considering Butler is off the table.

It sucks being stuck in the MVC.

Out of those schools listed, NDSU would have the ability to improve and finance basketball probablly the best. They are a football school first and the support they get from that is pretty impressive. Putting the MVC tag on their basketball would improve it quite a bit.

That's depressing. But I've wondered which schools would benefit and improve even more having the Valley brand associated with them. The only schools fans I've seen talk about wanting to get into the MVC is Little Rock. Decent market, but not too successful in the Belt. NDSU may like the idea, haven't talked to many, but I'm not sure if they could get the votes.

The Belt hurts UALR basketball, as UALR can't recruit for that league. If admitted to the MVC, UALR could get athletes that otherwise would go to CUSA. ORU and UALR would not only complement MVC basketball, but help MVC baseball.

As for NDSU in the MVC, anyone suggesting that should pay a visit to the pole barn aka known as Bison Sports Arena (lol). Bring both your parka for subfreezing temps and a swimsuit for sauna conditions that occur simutanously in that hole, depending on your ticket location.