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Poll: Where will UTSA be in 2013?
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CUSA 27.50% 22 27.50%
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UTSA's Fate
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-18-2012 07:45 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 07:31 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 06:51 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  UTEP isn't going to move if there isn't a merger. If it is just an alliance thing UTEP will stay in CUSA.

Why do you think that? I feel like the MWC is stronger.

It ain't $5M or so in exit fees stronger though. And I don't really see what chips the MWC has to offer C-USA to let UTEP go for a lot less than the full exit fee. A "free hand" to pick up UNT and UTSA? Is that worth more to C-USA than UTEP? Is it worth $5M? I'd guess no. I think UTEP stays because of the high cost of leaving.

And the fact they like playing games in the Central and Eastern time zones for more tv exposure. And I don't quite know why esayem thinks the MWC is stronger than CUSA now. If any conference has been hurt more by expansion than the BE it has been the MWC. CUSA can replace the teams they lost for the most part. I'm not sure TCU, Boise, BYU, and Utah can ever be replaced.
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04-18-2012 10:19 PM
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-18-2012 06:47 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 05:34 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 04:44 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I think UTSA will end up in the MWC and Texas St in the Sun Belt. UNT imo will be the only Texas school added to CUSA.

24 team with Pods (and layered media serviced between National and regional affiliates. Think Fox and Regional Fox Sports Affiliates)

Pac-
Hawaii / SJSU
Fresno / USU
UNR / UNLV

Mtn -
Wyo / CSU
UNM / Tulsa
Idaho / AFA (NMSt, AFA leaves)

Texas -
UTEP / Rice
TXST / UTSA
LATech / UNT

East -
Marshall / ECU
USM / Tulane
FIU / UAB

I think not. My opinion is it will not go to 24 right off jump street. And I seriously doubt it passes 20. That's a nice little setup you have there but I think eventually what you will see will look nothing like that.

Texas St will not end up in CUSA; maybe the MWC but not CUSA and more likely the Sun Belt or WAC. The MWC will need UTSA more than CUSA because they need more teams to get to 10 or 12. CUSA will be content with adding just UNT to replace SMU.

Totally agree as it doesn't make sense to go to 24 before right away. Probably a good idea to go to 20 until things shake out 2014.
04-18-2012 10:21 PM
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-18-2012 10:21 PM)Sluggo13 Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 06:47 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 05:34 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 04:44 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I think UTSA will end up in the MWC and Texas St in the Sun Belt. UNT imo will be the only Texas school added to CUSA.

24 team with Pods (and layered media serviced between National and regional affiliates. Think Fox and Regional Fox Sports Affiliates)

Pac-
Hawaii / SJSU
Fresno / USU
UNR / UNLV

Mtn -
Wyo / CSU
UNM / Tulsa
Idaho / AFA (NMSt, AFA leaves)

Texas -
UTEP / Rice
TXST / UTSA
LATech / UNT

East -
Marshall / ECU
USM / Tulane
FIU / UAB

I think not. My opinion is it will not go to 24 right off jump street. And I seriously doubt it passes 20. That's a nice little setup you have there but I think eventually what you will see will look nothing like that.

Texas St will not end up in CUSA; maybe the MWC but not CUSA and more likely the Sun Belt or WAC. The MWC will need UTSA more than CUSA because they need more teams to get to 10 or 12. CUSA will be content with adding just UNT to replace SMU.

Totally agree as it doesn't make sense to go to 24 before right away. Probably a good idea to go to 20 until things shake out 2014.

If the CUSA and MWC both sit at 10 each (20). Then that would mean that CUSA would only take FIU, UNT and then the MWC would only be able to take Utah State and San Jose State.

I think the only way to really look at this is to see the motivations of the TWO conferences that are involved in the 'Alliance'. They don't have the same risk profile. As a result, they have different motivations.

The MWC's biggest risk. That they get raided again, and have no one to replace teams with. Pretty much ANY move by the MWC destroys the WAC. And once those 'left behind' WAC schools are gone (either to the Sun Belt, CUSA, or back to FCS), there will be no other schools left for the MWC to raid in the event of a future raid. So I think the MWC is going to go to at least 12. They'll have no insurance otherwise. Because the Sun Belt isn't going to let people join the conference without obscene penalties for leaving. So teams left to join the Belt in this round aren't going to be easy to pry off in the future.

The CUSA has a different risk profile. They are not so worried about survival. They are more worried about maintaining distance between themselves and the Sun Belt. CUSA's distance between itself and the Sun Belt is really just three teams, ECU, USM, and Tulsa, as well as a better TV contract. The real fear that they have is that in the event of a future round of realignment, that someone will take one or all of those higher profile CUSA teams and when they try to raid the Sun Belt, they get rejected by the Sun Belt teams. So since they can't really destroy the Sun Belt, they're going to try to shore up their TV marketability. Hence, FIU and UNT. And why UTSA is in the discussion. Obviously, La Tech is the 'best program' left on the board. My guess is that La Tech, if taken, will be only taken to keep them from going to the Belt, which would help the Sun Belt's football product. So CUSA takes the largest two markets from the Belt and the best program on the board. But if they expand beyond 3 teams, they risk damaging the football product relative to the Sun Belt. Unless that 4th program is an existing team from the Sun Belt is Middle Tennessee State. For the CUSA, taking UTSA could be a risk, because if that program struggles in FBS, the 'separation' argument from the Sun Belt could go out the window. My guess is that CUSA isn't going to take MTSU, but will take UTSA if on the board simply to keep them from the Belt. I think Charlotte is a ruse.

That's what I think may be driving both of these conferences' decisions. So I think that we're looking at 24 between the two conferences, for various reasons. As a Sun Belt fan, I hope that 20 is where these two conferences end it. But I don't think that's whats going to happen.
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RE: UTSA's Fate
UTSA has a big market and a big dome on their side. And that's the only reason why I think they'll get a MWC bid. The WAC will die out as football conference after this year. It'll probably live on as an Oly conference, but football is king so not many will care after this year.
04-19-2012 01:02 AM
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I agree it's not worth the exit fee, but I think the MWC is stronger top to bottom bringing in Fresno and Nevada.
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-19-2012 02:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  I agree it's not worth the exit fee, but I think the MWC is stronger top to bottom bringing in Fresno and Nevada.

The MWC is absolutely stronger top to bottom, especially in basketball, even with the loss of SDSU.
04-19-2012 08:10 AM
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I don't see UTSA moving out of the WAC so soon. It just wouldn't make sense. But I have always doubted that C-USA and the MWC would merge, so that's why I'm assuming this.
04-19-2012 09:48 PM
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-19-2012 09:48 PM)ADAMantium Wrote:  I don't see UTSA moving out of the WAC so soon. It just wouldn't make sense. But I have always doubted that C-USA and the MWC would merge, so that's why I'm assuming this.

Do you know the WAC only has 7 teams now? If 2 of those teams go to the MWC (Utah State & San Jose State), and at least 1 more goes to CUSA (Louisiana Tech), the WAC will be down to 4 teams.

There are no FCS magic bullets to move up and save them. None of Montana, Montana State, Sacramento State, and Portland State will upgrade as long as Texas/Louisiana teams are still in the WAC.

I highly doubt that UTSA would stay in a 4-team WAC no longer recognized as FBS, with no reinforcements on the way, if the Sun Belt or especially CUSA is dangling a lifeline in their precocious faces.
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-19-2012 02:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  I agree it's not worth the exit fee, but I think the MWC is stronger top to bottom bringing in Fresno and Nevada.

Absolutely stronger in basketball. Football wise, I would give a slight edge to CUSA.
04-20-2012 11:16 AM
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-19-2012 11:40 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(04-19-2012 09:48 PM)ADAMantium Wrote:  I don't see UTSA moving out of the WAC so soon. It just wouldn't make sense. But I have always doubted that C-USA and the MWC would merge, so that's why I'm assuming this.

Do you know the WAC only has 7 teams now? If 2 of those teams go to the MWC (Utah State & San Jose State), and at least 1 more goes to CUSA (Louisiana Tech), the WAC will be down to 4 teams.

There are no FCS magic bullets to move up and save them. None of Montana, Montana State, Sacramento State, and Portland State will upgrade as long as Texas/Louisiana teams are still in the WAC.

I highly doubt that UTSA would stay in a 4-team WAC no longer recognized as FBS, with no reinforcements on the way, if the Sun Belt or especially CUSA is dangling a lifeline in their precocious faces.

Right. It's pretty much a given now that UTSA in 2013 will either be in the alliance or one of the alliance conferences or in the Sun Belt. There just won't be a WAC FBS conference anymore.
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-18-2012 10:15 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  A few things that have not been mentioned ... The MWC will lose either Air Force or Fresno State to the Big East and end up having another spot to fill ... UTEP will want at least one Texas school to join them if they go to the MWC ... The MWC might want two Texas schools for recruiting purposes no matter what ... If the two conferences remain separate, CUSA will need 12 teams again in order to play a championship game in 2013, which rules out UNC Charlotte ... The MWC wants nothing to do with either NMSU or Idaho but might reluctantly take one of them after the Big East strikes ... The Sun Belt has UALR as a non-football member, and could take NMSU back as a football-only member due to this, while their other sports stay in a soon to be non-football WAC.

Exactly right. You took the words right out of my mouth. The MWC wants a Texas presence, with or without the Alliance happening. I could very easily see UTEP and UTSA in the MWC. It gives them two Texas representatives, while also giving CUSA it's two in North Texas and Rice. It makes sense geographically as well.
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RE: UTSA's Fate
(04-20-2012 02:12 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 10:15 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  A few things that have not been mentioned ... The MWC will lose either Air Force or Fresno State to the Big East and end up having another spot to fill ... UTEP will want at least one Texas school to join them if they go to the MWC ... The MWC might want two Texas schools for recruiting purposes no matter what ... If the two conferences remain separate, CUSA will need 12 teams again in order to play a championship game in 2013, which rules out UNC Charlotte ... The MWC wants nothing to do with either NMSU or Idaho but might reluctantly take one of them after the Big East strikes ... The Sun Belt has UALR as a non-football member, and could take NMSU back as a football-only member due to this, while their other sports stay in a soon to be non-football WAC.

Exactly right. You took the words right out of my mouth. The MWC wants a Texas presence, with or without the Alliance happening. I could very easily see UTEP and UTSA in the MWC. It gives them two Texas representatives, while also giving CUSA it's two in North Texas and Rice. It makes sense geographically as well.
I predict UTEP moves to the MWC and UNT gets invited as well. I expect UTSA to be invited to CUSA, if they get an invite.

My reasoning is that UTEP doesn't want to get too close to UTSA but is very interested in staying in the Dallas, Ft. Worth area (UNT). Also, the new MWC is stronger than CUSA in basketball and weaker in football and that describes UTEP. Strong basketball, weak football. Our fans would love to see us win more football games and Sun Bowl Stadium seats 51,500. Winning a few more games per year could boost our annual ticket sales by 50K+.
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