(04-17-2012 02:33 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: So who gets custody of UTEP? We'll throw in UTSA if they come stay w/ us.
At this point I doubt we are just giving them away. Who are we going to add on our side that's as valuable as they are?
Come on you're in the east, you have lots of schools to choose from that have potential. We have SJSU, USU, Idaho, NMSU. Sharing is caring. I'll throw in a 2 for 1, Fresno at ECU 2 times.
There's no school out there who has the basketball tradition of UTEP that we could add. We already lost our best basketball brand it would be quite frankly crippling to lose arguably our next best.
From a travel perspective I can easily see it. Realistically, you are probably spot on.
If AFA leaves, then the MWC is even more shorthanded... they would then to comply with the rules for FBS conferences, the MWC will need at least (based on McMurphy's article)....
3 new full members with FBS football
2 new full members with baseball
2 new full members with men's cross country
... because AFA has all three of those sports.
USU has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
SJSU has all three sports, men's CC, football, and baseball.
UTEP, if they are interested in moving (and able to leave), has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
Seattle has men's CC and baseball, but no football.
Denver does not have any of those three sports.
So if AFA leaves, the MWC would be in compliance if it adds USU, SJSU, Seattle, and UTEP. Then they would have 8 full members with football (plus Hawaii who doesn't count for this rule), 6 for baseball, and 8 for men's CC. Seattle (or maybe NMSU) would be needed to be the MWC's sixth baseball program.
(04-17-2012 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote: If AFA leaves, then the MWC is even more shorthanded... they would then to comply with the rules for FBS conferences, the MWC will need at least (based on McMurphy's article)....
3 new full members with FBS football
2 new full members with baseball
2 new full members with men's cross country
... because AFA has all three of those sports.
USU has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
SJSU has all three sports, men's CC, football, and baseball.
UTEP, if they are interested in moving (and able to leave), has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
Seattle has men's CC and baseball, but no football.
Denver does not have any of those three sports.
So if AFA leaves, the MWC would be in compliance if it adds USU, SJSU, Seattle, and UTEP. Then they would have 8 full members with football (plus Hawaii who doesn't count for this rule), 6 for baseball, and 8 for men's CC. Seattle (or maybe NMSU) would be needed to be the MWC's sixth baseball program.
I wonder if Hawaii may be "encouraged" to join MWC for all sports.
(04-17-2012 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote: If AFA leaves, then the MWC is even more shorthanded... they would then to comply with the rules for FBS conferences, the MWC will need at least (based on McMurphy's article)....
3 new full members with FBS football
2 new full members with baseball
2 new full members with men's cross country
... because AFA has all three of those sports.
USU has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
SJSU has all three sports, men's CC, football, and baseball.
UTEP, if they are interested in moving (and able to leave), has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
Seattle has men's CC and baseball, but no football.
Denver does not have any of those three sports.
So if AFA leaves, the MWC would be in compliance if it adds USU, SJSU, Seattle, and UTEP. Then they would have 8 full members with football (plus Hawaii who doesn't count for this rule), 6 for baseball, and 8 for men's CC. Seattle (or maybe NMSU) would be needed to be the MWC's sixth baseball program.
I still say we make Hawaii play all sports w/ us. That solves a lot of that,
If Hawaii did all sports-
8 for football- check
8 for basketball- check
New Mexico, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno all would be baseball teams. Would need to add 1 more team at least. One option may be Sacramento St(who currently plays in WAC with Nev,Haw,Fre).
(04-17-2012 03:10 PM)stever20 Wrote: If Hawaii did all sports-
8 for football- check
8 for basketball- check
New Mexico, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno all would be baseball teams. Would need to add 1 more team at least. One option may be Sacramento St(who currently plays in WAC with Nev,Haw,Fre).
CSUB and Dallas Baptist too, both are better than Sac St.
(04-17-2012 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote: If AFA leaves, then the MWC is even more shorthanded... they would then to comply with the rules for FBS conferences, the MWC will need at least (based on McMurphy's article)....
3 new full members with FBS football
2 new full members with baseball
2 new full members with men's cross country
... because AFA has all three of those sports.
USU has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
SJSU has all three sports, men's CC, football, and baseball.
UTEP, if they are interested in moving (and able to leave), has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
Seattle has men's CC and baseball, but no football.
Denver does not have any of those three sports.
So if AFA leaves, the MWC would be in compliance if it adds USU, SJSU, Seattle, and UTEP. Then they would have 8 full members with football (plus Hawaii who doesn't count for this rule), 6 for baseball, and 8 for men's CC. Seattle (or maybe NMSU) would be needed to be the MWC's sixth baseball program.
I still say we make Hawaii play all sports w/ us. That solves a lot of that,
Adding Hawaii for all sports (doubt you could "make" them do it given that they have a signed agreement for FB-only) would drastically increase every MWC school's travel costs, which is why the MWC gave them a FB-only deal in the first place. It would also increase Hawaii's travel over what it will be in the Big West, where they can get to anywhere by flying to SFO or LAX and taking a bus from there. The BW is in Hawaii's best interests.
Another reason why the best guess is that the MWC starts with SJSU and USU and then fills in after that depending on whether AFA leaves and on whether they can get UTEP to move.
The MWC might add even more schools than that if they think that the Big East is not yet done poaching.
(04-17-2012 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote: If AFA leaves, then the MWC is even more shorthanded... they would then to comply with the rules for FBS conferences, the MWC will need at least (based on McMurphy's article)....
3 new full members with FBS football
2 new full members with baseball
2 new full members with men's cross country
... because AFA has all three of those sports.
USU has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
SJSU has all three sports, men's CC, football, and baseball.
UTEP, if they are interested in moving (and able to leave), has men's CC and football, but no baseball.
Seattle has men's CC and baseball, but no football.
Denver does not have any of those three sports.
So if AFA leaves, the MWC would be in compliance if it adds USU, SJSU, Seattle, and UTEP. Then they would have 8 full members with football (plus Hawaii who doesn't count for this rule), 6 for baseball, and 8 for men's CC. Seattle (or maybe NMSU) would be needed to be the MWC's sixth baseball program.
I still say we make Hawaii play all sports w/ us. That solves a lot of that,
Adding Hawaii for all sports (doubt you could "make" them do it given that they have a signed agreement for FB-only) would drastically increase every MWC school's travel costs, which is why the MWC gave them a FB-only deal in the first place. It would also increase Hawaii's travel over what it will be in the Big West, where they can get to anywhere by flying to SFO or LAX and taking a bus from there. The BW is in Hawaii's best interests.
Another reason why the best guess is that the MWC starts with SJSU and USU and then fills in after that depending on whether AFA leaves and on whether they can get UTEP to move.
The MWC might add even more schools than that if they think that the Big East is not yet done poaching.
meh, I hate fb only! They did it forever in the old wac and the current wac. MWC should ask UTEP now, they won't look any better than they currently do. AFA or Fresno will probably be gone in 2015.
(04-17-2012 03:10 PM)stever20 Wrote: If Hawaii did all sports-
8 for football- check
8 for basketball- check
New Mexico, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno all would be baseball teams. Would need to add 1 more team at least. One option may be Sacramento St(who currently plays in WAC with Nev,Haw,Fre).
CSUB and Dallas Baptist too, both are better than Sac St.
The sixth baseball team has to be a full member of the conference. The MWC is not going to make any of those three schools full members.
(04-17-2012 03:10 PM)stever20 Wrote: If Hawaii did all sports-
8 for football- check
8 for basketball- check
New Mexico, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno all would be baseball teams. Would need to add 1 more team at least. One option may be Sacramento St(who currently plays in WAC with Nev,Haw,Fre).
CSUB and Dallas Baptist too, both are better than Sac St.
The sixth baseball team has to be a full member of the conference. The MWC is not going to make any of those three schools full members.
ummm HAWAII! UTSA?
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2012 03:30 PM by Fresno St. Alum.)
Seems to me that the MWC will add SJSU and Utah State. CUSA will add UTSA, North Texas, La Tech and FIU.
UTEP moving to the MWC would allow CUSA to bring in Charlotte and not have to wait until they are FBS ready to hold a championship game. When they are ready as #13, then CUSA could bring in #14 (WKU, MTSU, Ga State, South Alabama, etc...)
NMSU, Texas State to the Sun Belt. Idaho has to hope and pray that the MWC has pity on them and that they offer enough to be another Wyoming. Maybe personal relationships come into play here. And maybe Montana, which wouldn't risk a move up on the WAC, would do so for the MWC - in which case, getting Idaho in the MWC might make sense.
Idaho has to be sweating more than any other school in this whole mess. They may face the prospect of being an Indy or dropping to the Big Sky.
(04-17-2012 02:06 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: This entire thing is a dumpster fire. That's the worst part of not getting in the BE, not that we don't get to play the likes of UCF or Memphis anymore, but that we are stuck dealing with this garbage.
I wonder if the MWC would add Idaho for football only-it wouldn't be ideal, but it would work well for Idaho with Boise State's other sports in the WAC. Of course if UTEP balks at moving, either Idaho or NMSU could be in play.
As far as UTEP goes, I doubt that CUSA kicks out UTEP. I doubt the MWC can attract UTEP due to prior relationships with some of the MWC schools.
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as far as "unlikely" goes...
I think that is coach speak. Both conferences want their exit fees paid up. Both conferences are working on something that has never been attempted and working out the logistics takes time.
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Most likely they might decide to take out the WAC, SBC, and work a little magic on the MAC to make themselves two solid 12 school entities that will work on a scheduling alliance and a tv deal conglomerate. There is some merit to the MWC/CUSA hoops show down. IN baseball it could work out too. Football might be a little tougher depending on how they want to do it.
(04-17-2012 04:54 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: As far as UTEP goes, I doubt that CUSA kicks out UTEP. I doubt the MWC can attract UTEP due to prior relationships with some of the MWC schools.
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as far as "unlikely" goes...
I think that is coach speak. Both conferences want their exit fees paid up. Both conferences are working on something that has never been attempted and working out the logistics takes time.
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Most likely they might decide to take out the WAC, SBC, and work a little magic on the MAC to make themselves two solid 12 school entities that will work on a scheduling alliance and a tv deal conglomerate. There is some merit to the MWC/CUSA hoops show down. IN baseball it could work out too. Football might be a little tougher depending on how they want to do it.
TV deal won't work because the prior deals are still in effect.
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McMurphy: CUSA/MWC Merger now "unlikely"
