Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)


Post Reply 
Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
trojanblood Offline
Sun Belt Nationalist
*

Posts: 370
Joined: Apr 2009
Reputation: 12
I Root For: TROY
Location:
Post: #61
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 01:02 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo13,

There is no doubt that the top tier FCS teams could compete quite well in the SBC, even with the reduced amount of schollies. GSU and APPY would not finish in the bottom tier of the SBC next year, not saying either school would win the conference, but both would do well and both schools would destroy G-State....to say otherwise you would be depised...04-rock

As an Eagle Fan, I do have reservations concerning any possible move to SBC and not having the opportunity to compete for a National Championship and participate in the playoffs. I am sure there are quite a few fans of SBC schools that understand what I am talking about, since some schools are not far removed from FCS. (GAYSTATE fans disregard, you wouldn't know a playoff game if it slapped you upside the face). Troy/ MTSU fans have all done well in the playoffs and I wonder if any of the fans of these schools wish the move to FBS had not been made?

Whatever happens...so be it. Love Eagle Football and if we play in the SBC one day then great...if not, oh well. Might be fun to renew some old rivalries with Troy and MTSU.

Go Eagles!!!

To be honest, I miss the FCS sometimes because we had some much success on that level, but I am glad where we are now. I have enjoyed slapping Missouri and Okie St at home. Would have never had a chance if we hadnt made the move to FBS. I do love the play off system but with every move there are things that we don't agree with. I wish you guys would get the invite. Like I said earlier, I would love to stir that hornets nest with you guys again. GO TROY!!!
04-19-2012 01:08 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Sluggo13 Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 58
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 8
I Root For: Georgia State
Location: Atlanta, Ga
Post: #62
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 01:02 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo13,

There is no doubt that the top tier FCS teams could compete quite well in the SBC, even with the reduced amount of schollies. GSU and APPY would not finish in the bottom tier of the SBC next year, not saying either school would win the conference, but both would do well and both schools would destroy G-State....to say otherwise you would be depised...04-rock

As an Eagle Fan, I do have reservations concerning any possible move to SBC and not having the opportunity to compete for a National Championship and participate in the playoffs. I am sure there are quite a few fans of SBC schools that understand what I am talking about, since some schools are not far removed from FCS. (GAYSTATE fans disregard, you wouldn't know a playoff game if it slapped you upside the face). Troy/ MTSU fans have all done well in the playoffs and I wonder if any of the fans of these schools wish the move to FBS had not been made?

Whatever happens...so be it. Love Eagle Football and if we play in the SBC one day then great...if not, oh well. Might be fun to renew some old rivalries with Troy and MTSU.

Go Eagles!!!

Okay, great! Now go back to Anygivensaturday and come back once you're invited.
04-19-2012 01:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
redlegeagle Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 8
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 0
I Root For: GSU
Location:
Post: #63
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 01:08 PM)trojanblood Wrote:  
(04-19-2012 01:02 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo13,

There is no doubt that the top tier FCS teams could compete quite well in the SBC, even with the reduced amount of schollies. GSU and APPY would not finish in the bottom tier of the SBC next year, not saying either school would win the conference, but both would do well and both schools would destroy G-State....to say otherwise you would be depised...04-rock

As an Eagle Fan, I do have reservations concerning any possible move to SBC and not having the opportunity to compete for a National Championship and participate in the playoffs. I am sure there are quite a few fans of SBC schools that understand what I am talking about, since some schools are not far removed from FCS. (GAYSTATE fans disregard, you wouldn't know a playoff game if it slapped you upside the face). Troy/ MTSU fans have all done well in the playoffs and I wonder if any of the fans of these schools wish the move to FBS had not been made?

Whatever happens...so be it. Love Eagle Football and if we play in the SBC one day then great...if not, oh well. Might be fun to renew some old rivalries with Troy and MTSU.

Go Eagles!!!

To be honest, I miss the FCS sometimes because we had some much success on that level, but I am glad where we are now. I have enjoyed slapping Missouri and Okie St at home. Would have never had a chance if we hadnt made the move to FBS. I do love the play off system but with every move there are things that we don't agree with. I wish you guys would get the invite. Like I said earlier, I would love to stir that hornets nest with you guys again. GO TROY!!!

Been to a couple of games at Troy. It is really impressive what you guys have done with your program and stadium. I work with a Troy Grad and he feels the same way you do about moving up. I certainly see your point and the wins against OK ST and Missouri were incredible. I also see the advantage of having some nice home games against bigger schools....think I saw you guys are hosting Navy and Miss. ST.

I think the SBC has really made some strides and the conference as a whole has gotten better. GSU/ APPY would provide some stability to the conference and two great fan bases.
04-19-2012 01:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
trojanblood Offline
Sun Belt Nationalist
*

Posts: 370
Joined: Apr 2009
Reputation: 12
I Root For: TROY
Location:
Post: #64
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 01:19 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  
(04-19-2012 01:08 PM)trojanblood Wrote:  
(04-19-2012 01:02 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo13,

There is no doubt that the top tier FCS teams could compete quite well in the SBC, even with the reduced amount of schollies. GSU and APPY would not finish in the bottom tier of the SBC next year, not saying either school would win the conference, but both would do well and both schools would destroy G-State....to say otherwise you would be depised...04-rock

As an Eagle Fan, I do have reservations concerning any possible move to SBC and not having the opportunity to compete for a National Championship and participate in the playoffs. I am sure there are quite a few fans of SBC schools that understand what I am talking about, since some schools are not far removed from FCS. (GAYSTATE fans disregard, you wouldn't know a playoff game if it slapped you upside the face). Troy/ MTSU fans have all done well in the playoffs and I wonder if any of the fans of these schools wish the move to FBS had not been made?

Whatever happens...so be it. Love Eagle Football and if we play in the SBC one day then great...if not, oh well. Might be fun to renew some old rivalries with Troy and MTSU.

Go Eagles!!!

To be honest, I miss the FCS sometimes because we had some much success on that level, but I am glad where we are now. I have enjoyed slapping Missouri and Okie St at home. Would have never had a chance if we hadnt made the move to FBS. I do love the play off system but with every move there are things that we don't agree with. I wish you guys would get the invite. Like I said earlier, I would love to stir that hornets nest with you guys again. GO TROY!!!

Been to a couple of games at Troy. It is really impressive what you guys have done with your program and stadium. I work with a Troy Grad and he feels the same way you do about moving up. I certainly see your point and the wins against OK ST and Missouri were incredible. I also see the advantage of having some nice home games against bigger schools....think I saw you guys are hosting Navy and Miss. ST.

I think the SBC has really made some strides and the conference as a whole has gotten better. GSU/ APPY would provide some stability to the conference and two great fan bases.

Yeah we are hosting Miss. St and then hosting Navy later on in the season. I totally agree that GSU/APPY would provide stability to a conference that seams to have the most stability out of all the NON AQ Conferences. Everyone else seems to be in panic and we are just catching a ride on the wave.
(This post was last modified: 04-19-2012 01:40 PM by trojanblood.)
04-19-2012 01:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
redlegeagle Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 8
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 0
I Root For: GSU
Location:
Post: #65
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
Sluggo,

Putting the smack talk aside for a brief second....congrats on your recent move. Personally, I think it makes perfect sense for G-State to move to SBC. Never understood the move to CAA with the travel it would require for your teams. You guys have a ton of students and a large market and money is not an issue. With a few years of recruiting, you guys will be a contender one day. Your school administrators had a plan and pulled it off...congrats.

I think it is inevitable that one day the state of GA will have both GSU's in the SBC and I think it will be good for the State. This could be a great rivalry and draw some interest to both programs. Could be fun each year to prove on the field who the real GSU is.....
04-19-2012 01:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
panama Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 31,353
Joined: May 2009
Reputation: 633
I Root For: Georgia STATE
Location: East Atlanta Village
Post: #66
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
Both GSUs, that's rich.

I am going need emergency room assistance if both GaSo AND App State do not get invites
04-19-2012 01:41 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
trojanblood Offline
Sun Belt Nationalist
*

Posts: 370
Joined: Apr 2009
Reputation: 12
I Root For: TROY
Location:
Post: #67
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 01:36 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo,

Putting the smack talk aside for a brief second....congrats on your recent move. Personally, I think it makes perfect sense for G-State to move to SBC. Never understood the move to CAA with the travel it would require for your teams. You guys have a ton of students and a large market and money is not an issue. With a few years of recruiting, you guys will be a contender one day. Your school administrators had a plan and pulled it off...congrats.

I think it is inevitable that one day the state of GA will have both GSU's in the SBC and I think it will be good for the State. This could be a great rivalry and draw some interest to both programs. Could be fun each year to prove on the field who the real GSU is.....
TOTALLY AGREE!! GO GSU'S!!!
04-19-2012 01:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
panama Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 31,353
Joined: May 2009
Reputation: 633
I Root For: Georgia STATE
Location: East Atlanta Village
Post: #68
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 01:41 PM)trojanblood Wrote:  
(04-19-2012 01:36 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo,

Putting the smack talk aside for a brief second....congrats on your recent move. Personally, I think it makes perfect sense for G-State to move to SBC. Never understood the move to CAA with the travel it would require for your teams. You guys have a ton of students and a large market and money is not an issue. With a few years of recruiting, you guys will be a contender one day. Your school administrators had a plan and pulled it off...congrats.

I think it is inevitable that one day the state of GA will have both GSU's in the SBC and I think it will be good for the State. This could be a great rivalry and draw some interest to both programs. Could be fun each year to prove on the field who the real GSU is.....
TOTALLY AGREE!! GO GSU'S!!!
03-puke03-puke03-puke03-puke03-puke03-puke
04-19-2012 01:47 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
trojanblood Offline
Sun Belt Nationalist
*

Posts: 370
Joined: Apr 2009
Reputation: 12
I Root For: TROY
Location:
Post: #69
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 01:47 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-19-2012 01:41 PM)trojanblood Wrote:  
(04-19-2012 01:36 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo,

Putting the smack talk aside for a brief second....congrats on your recent move. Personally, I think it makes perfect sense for G-State to move to SBC. Never understood the move to CAA with the travel it would require for your teams. You guys have a ton of students and a large market and money is not an issue. With a few years of recruiting, you guys will be a contender one day. Your school administrators had a plan and pulled it off...congrats.

I think it is inevitable that one day the state of GA will have both GSU's in the SBC and I think it will be good for the State. This could be a great rivalry and draw some interest to both programs. Could be fun each year to prove on the field who the real GSU is.....
TOTALLY AGREE!! GO GSU'S!!!
03-puke03-puke03-puke03-puke03-puke03-puke
Dude get over yourself. You guys are the new group and given time you guys will be a force but as of right now don't look down on other programs that have excelled. Everyone in and out of the conference have taking their lumps. The only reason I see you guys got in was because of the market and what you can bring to the SUNBELT. Ga. Southern has plenty the bring also. So grow up!
04-19-2012 02:05 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
SaintDK10 Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 184
Joined: May 2005
Reputation: 12
I Root For: Georgia State
Location: Atlanta, GA
Post: #70
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
I'm probably one of the few GSU fans that would actually like to see Southern join Sun Belt for selfish reasons (i.e. it would a good in-state rivalry), but from a business stand point, adding Southern to the conference (if they actually had the money to move up) would be a detriment to the league financially.

If you get passed all the derogatory comments Southern's administration has made toward the Sun Belt in the past, and if you accept their fan's newly found admiration of FBS as an admission of jealousy that GSU has done in 2 years what they couldn't in 30, you are still left with math that simply doesn't add up: they don't have the money to compete at FBS level, nor do they have a media market to provide any monetary value to the conference.

It's funny, now that their fan base is in complete meltdown mode, flooding every message board where GSU is discussed, it seems that their fans have convinced themselves that GSU's move to FBS was solely due to our student athletic fee and large student population. What they don't realize is that our $13 million state-of-the art football complex was completely built solely from private money -- money that was raised in 3 short years, and despite those years being during the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. Having alumni with such deep pockets is not surprising considering GSU has produced more Fortune 500 CEOs in Atlanta than any other school in the country -- and we're only getting started.

Since we started football, our annual, non-restricted donations have catapulted us to the top of the CAA, at over $3.1 million. That's in addition to another $3 million in private donations we get for restricted/special projects every year. Having a million-dollar donor every year has become the norm for us since we started football. By contrast, Southern is trying to have a fundraising campaign that will accomplish in 5 years what we routinely do in one, LOL!

Then there is the matter of media markets, and this is as simple as it gets. Sun Belt's addition of GSU will increase the TV contract payout the conference can now re-negotiate, which means more money gets divided and distributed to other Sun Belt members. This is direct increase in revenue each Sun Belt school can use toward facilities, improvements or anything else they need to boost their athletic programs. Meanwhile, adding schools like Southern (and App State for that matter) does nothing to increase the TV contract deals, yet you would have more members to divide the revenue, which means less money for each of the current Sun Belt members.

Why? Why should your school lose money just so that Southern or App State are in the league? Regional teams? Okay, get GSU (check) and Charlotte. Geographic footprint AND more money for your school from TV revenues.

Here is the bottom line. Winning on the FCS level does not necessarily translate to success on FBS level. All programs have ups and downs, as winning seasons come and go. The one constant is the revenue from TV deals -- practically guaranteed money that goes directly to each Sun Belt school's pockets -- and when it comes to that, Southern would be a drain on the Sun Belt, effectively reducing the average payout per each Sun Belt member. I understand the need for regional rivalries, but the key is to add regional rivals that will increase the size of the pot, not reduce it. That is why Charlotte over App State is a no-brainer. Why Southern is completely unnecessary when GSU is already in the league. Why UTSA is a good get for the league. You want schools that will strengthen Sun Belt financially, not school like Southern, that will be a leach, a parasite on the conference resources.

Not that it matters anyway because Southern is so far away from having consistent funds to compete on FBS level that this is really all a moot point.
04-19-2012 02:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
chiefsfan Offline
No Seriously, they let me be a mod
*

Posts: 43,711
Joined: Sep 2007
Reputation: 1061
I Root For: ASU
Location:
Post: #71
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
Since Georgia State joined first, they get the official GSU moniker from the league.

You guys could be Southern, or Georgia Southern. Or if you want to be special and still hold the GSU name GSU-S
04-19-2012 02:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #72
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 01:02 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo13,

There is no doubt that the top tier FCS teams could compete quite well in the SBC, even with the reduced amount of schollies. GSU and APPY would not finish in the bottom tier of the SBC next year, not saying either school would win the conference, but both would do well and both schools would destroy G-State....to say otherwise you would be depised...04-rock

As an Eagle Fan, I do have reservations concerning any possible move to SBC and not having the opportunity to compete for a National Championship and participate in the playoffs. I am sure there are quite a few fans of SBC schools that understand what I am talking about, since some schools are not far removed from FCS. (GAYSTATE fans disregard, you wouldn't know a playoff game if it slapped you upside the face). Troy/ MTSU fans have all done well in the playoffs and I wonder if any of the fans of these schools wish the move to FBS had not been made?

Whatever happens...so be it. Love Eagle Football and if we play in the SBC one day then great...if not, oh well. Might be fun to renew some old rivalries with Troy and MTSU.

Go Eagles!!!

Actually there is a lot of doubt.

Western Kentucky fans used to talk the same way. Hey won the FBS national title we can handle the Sun Belt. Right 0-12 first season.

Let's peruse the records.
FAU. 2003 Made the FCS semi-finals, next year as a transitional went 9-2. Next year as a member of the Sun Belt went 2-9.

ULM, a former FCS champion, playoff team 3 of 4 years leading to transition, has not finished better than .500 since moving up.

ArkSt. Never lost a first round FCS game, made one title game, has finished over .500 twice since moving up.

Idaho ranked 9 out of 10 seasons in FCS before moving up has posted a total of 3 winning records since moving up.

Boise was ranked in FCS before moving up. Didn't post a winning record until their third year in the Big West and they beat three FCS in non-conference to get to 6-5 that first successful year.

Sure Marshall and Nevada did well immediately but other powerful FCS programs have moved up and not found success.

There have been 18 schools make the leap and the track record does nothing to support your assertion
04-19-2012 02:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
wh49er Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,475
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 321
I Root For: Charlotte 49ers
Location: Charlotte
Post: #73
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 02:40 PM)SaintDK10 Wrote:  You want schools that will strengthen Sun Belt financially, not school like Southern, that will be a leach, a parasite on the conference resources.

Not that it matters anyway because Southern is so far away from having consistent funds to compete on FBS level that this is really all a moot point.
07-coffee3 damn
04-19-2012 02:51 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
RidgeRunner Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 150
Joined: May 2009
Reputation: 5
I Root For: GSU
Location: ATL
Post: #74
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 02:40 PM)SaintDK10 Wrote:  I'm probably one of the few GSU fans that would actually like to see Southern join Sun Belt for selfish reasons (i.e. it would a good in-state rivalry), but from a business stand point, adding Southern to the conference (if they actually had the money to move up) would be a detriment to the league financially.
Never timid, never shy, always to the point risking it all. I don't always agree but you know exactly where Saint stands. Some good points.
04-19-2012 03:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
redlegeagle Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 8
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 0
I Root For: GSU
Location:
Post: #75
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
Saint,

Many of the programs in the SBC are from smaller markets....if they weren't they would probably be in a larger conference, not the SBC. So by your agruement you are putting down teams like Troy, MTSU , the LA schools, etc....they are in similiar markets to Southern.....are they also leaches to your league?

The SBC is what it is....A newly formed conference for mid major schools to compete on the FBS level. The SBC does not have the ability to draw established programs from big markets and there lies the problem for you.

I personally have no issue with G-State/ Charlotte joining the SBC....it's a win win situation. But, just keeping it real here....neither program has accomplished ANYTHING on the field yet. Your only claim to fame is your location in a large market and the suppossed TV viewers you can bring. I ask you...mighty Saint, what is the Panther's Marque win over the last couple of seasons? Criket...Criket...Criket 03-phew

If you want to think of Southern as a leach if we join the SBC...so be it, but I would be willing to bet my last nickel...that the Eagles would whoop that A** if we ever played. You know...and I know it.
04-19-2012 03:12 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Lolly Popp Offline
Magically Delicious
*

Posts: 2,425
Joined: Oct 2005
Reputation: 82
I Root For: Football
Location: Endzone
Post: #76
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
Benson's market strategy with Georgia State and potentially UNC Charlotte is going to backfire. All he is doing is incubating them for an eventual move to CUSA, which seems to view itself as above taking FCS schools, but will gladly grab them from the Sun Belt or WAC.

This might temporarily net the Sun Belt a few extra TV dollars, but not relatively that many more, and the conference will be replacing these markets in less than five years anyway. It would be much simpler to just take Appalachian State and Georgia Southern initially.
04-19-2012 03:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CAJUNNATION Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,689
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 75
I Root For: Western Civilization
Location: Parts Unknown
Post: #77
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 03:15 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Benson's market strategy with Georgia State and potentially UNC Charlotte is going to backfire. All he is doing is incubating them for an eventual move to CUSA, which seems to view itself as above taking FCS schools, but will gladly grab them from the Sun Belt or WAC.

This might temporarily net the Sun Belt a few extra TV dollars, but not relatively that many more, and the conference will be replacing these markets in less than five years anyway. It would be much simpler to just take Appalachian State and Georgia Southern initially.



You are correct.
04-19-2012 03:21 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
redlegeagle Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 8
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 0
I Root For: GSU
Location:
Post: #78
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 02:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-19-2012 01:02 PM)redlegeagle Wrote:  Sluggo13,

There is no doubt that the top tier FCS teams could compete quite well in the SBC, even with the reduced amount of schollies. GSU and APPY would not finish in the bottom tier of the SBC next year, not saying either school would win the conference, but both would do well and both schools would destroy G-State....to say otherwise you would be depised...04-rock

As an Eagle Fan, I do have reservations concerning any possible move to SBC and not having the opportunity to compete for a National Championship and participate in the playoffs. I am sure there are quite a few fans of SBC schools that understand what I am talking about, since some schools are not far removed from FCS. (GAYSTATE fans disregard, you wouldn't know a playoff game if it slapped you upside the face). Troy/ MTSU fans have all done well in the playoffs and I wonder if any of the fans of these schools wish the move to FBS had not been made?

Whatever happens...so be it. Love Eagle Football and if we play in the SBC one day then great...if not, oh well. Might be fun to renew some old rivalries with Troy and MTSU.

Go Eagles!!!

Actually there is a lot of doubt.

Western Kentucky fans used to talk the same way. Hey won the FBS national title we can handle the Sun Belt. Right 0-12 first season.

Let's peruse the records.
FAU. 2003 Made the FCS semi-finals, next year as a transitional went 9-2. Next year as a member of the Sun Belt went 2-9.

ULM, a former FCS champion, playoff team 3 of 4 years leading to transition, has not finished better than .500 since moving up.

ArkSt. Never lost a first round FCS game, made one title game, has finished over .500 twice since moving up.

Idaho ranked 9 out of 10 seasons in FCS before moving up has posted a total of 3 winning records since moving up.

Boise was ranked in FCS before moving up. Didn't post a winning record until their third year in the Big West and they beat three FCS in non-conference to get to 6-5 that first successful year.

Sure Marshall and Nevada did well immediately but other powerful FCS programs have moved up and not found success.

There have been 18 schools make the leap and the track record does nothing to support your assertion

ArkST,

We may just have to agree to disagree on this one. I personally don't think there is a whole lot, if any, difference between SBC teams and top CAA/ SOCON teams. The difference in schollies I am sure makes some difference over the course of an entire season, but to what degree I am not sure. I am not saying GSU/ APPY would come into the SBC and dominate right away, but, I would feel confident we would compete and compete well.

If GSU and APPY can't compete in the SBC....I sure feel sorry for the G-State fans....all 17 of them.
04-19-2012 03:31 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
panama Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 31,353
Joined: May 2009
Reputation: 633
I Root For: Georgia STATE
Location: East Atlanta Village
Post: #79
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
Even after he showed you multiple teams that move to FBS into the SBC and got spanked?


Ladies and Gentlemen


Georgia Southern
04-19-2012 04:21 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
asumike83 Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 410
Joined: Feb 2012
Reputation: 35
I Root For: App State
Location: Raleigh, NC
Post: #80
RE: Georgia Southern as a possible SBC Candidate
(04-19-2012 02:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Actually there is a lot of doubt.

Western Kentucky fans used to talk the same way. Hey won the FBS national title we can handle the Sun Belt. Right 0-12 first season.

Let's peruse the records.
FAU. 2003 Made the FCS semi-finals, next year as a transitional went 9-2. Next year as a member of the Sun Belt went 2-9.

ULM, a former FCS champion, playoff team 3 of 4 years leading to transition, has not finished better than .500 since moving up.

ArkSt. Never lost a first round FCS game, made one title game, has finished over .500 twice since moving up.

Idaho ranked 9 out of 10 seasons in FCS before moving up has posted a total of 3 winning records since moving up.

Boise was ranked in FCS before moving up. Didn't post a winning record until their third year in the Big West and they beat three FCS in non-conference to get to 6-5 that first successful year.

Sure Marshall and Nevada did well immediately but other powerful FCS programs have moved up and not found success.

There have been 18 schools make the leap and the track record does nothing to support your assertion

I can't speak for Georgia Southern but in my opinion, there are a few things about Appalachian that would allow us to transition a little more smoothly on the field than some. If App were looking to make a move 7-8 years ago, the schools you mentioned would have been a perfect comparison. What they were as FCS members is very similar to what App was pre-2005: a winning program, consistent playoff contender with a solid fan base of around 14K-15K every year. That makes a school a fine FBS candidate but one that will have some work to do in order to catch up when they get there.

However, since that time, our athletics program has grown by leaps and bounds. Our athletics budget has gone from around $7M in 2004 to $15M currently. We did a $50M renovation to the football stadium in 2009 and currently have a $200M fund raising campaign in process ($135M raised as of the last announcement I heard), of which $50M will go towards athletics and another round of stadium expansion that will put permanent seating at 30K.

We have sold out every regular season home game for 6 seasons running and typically average around 25K-28K in attendance. The fan support and added funding has allowed us to maintain a level of success that none of the previously mentioned schools had at the FCS level, either on the field or in the stands. I'm not saying we would not take our lumps to a certain extent as well but we do have the facilities, winning tradition and recruiting pipeline in NC/SC/GA that make me fairly confident about our ability to translate success to the FBS level fairly quickly.

However, none of that changes the fact that the primary focus of all conferences right now is TV market. The GA State/UNCC/UTSA type of programs will likely all get sorted out first and after the TV markets are in place, I expect we will see some small-market teams added for their fan base and on-field product. My guess is around 2014-2015, App will begin FBS football.

Just my $.02.
04-19-2012 04:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.