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(04-18-2012 11:35 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  SF, i don't doubt your words very much, but would you mind posting a link to the post where i said i would "shut up about Big East bashing" if the new TV contract is a certain amount? I want to remember exactly what i committed myself too, LOL.

I don't have the time to find the link. However, I remember vividly that you said you won't bash the BE if BE gets a media deal that's at least $10M per team.

If he is sure of his daily gloomy predictions, he should not mind reaffirming his promise. Otherwise, I have to assume that he is merely throwing stuff against the wall hoping some will stick. He lost a lot of credibility in my eyes with his recent pooh-poohing the value of BYU.
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(04-18-2012 11:35 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  SF, i don't doubt your words very much, but would you mind posting a link to the post where i said i would "shut up about Big East bashing" if the new TV contract is a certain amount? I want to remember exactly what i committed myself too, LOL.

I don't have the time to find the link. However, I remember vividly that you said you won't bash the BE if BE gets a media deal that's at least $10M per team. I remember that I told you that we would hold you to your words.

I figure BE TV deal should be settled by Dec 2012. We got about 7.5 months of your negative Nancy non-sense. You just better do your part and do what you said you would.

I will do whatever it is i said i would do - if i can remember it. Which is why i asked for the post.

Edit: i found the promise post and what i promised was to not say anything negative about the new big east schools, not the whole big east, and only if UHCougar made the same pledge in reverse, which he has not done.
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(04-18-2012 11:56 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 09:21 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I have a degree in Mass Media with my as specialty television production. I have a masters degree in Sports television. I worked in sports for several years, including working at ESPN, and for a pro football team before leaving the field to work in finance. If either of you have any of these credentials, you can feel free to speak up?

Now that you've stated that, how about handicapping your prediction on how much the BE will make in its next contract, given its lineup 04-deal

A whole lot of variables, primarily if espn is interested enough to stay involved. If so I'd venture to guess $12.5 mil per team. If espn has no interest than half that would be my guess for the "value," but if the new partner has no other properties, theyd probably get something inbetween so that whomever buys the contract (I.e Comcast or turner) to prop up the value of their new commodity and make themselves seem like players.

The BE will get paid if for no other reason than whomever buys it wants it to seem like a big deal. But had the be stayed together and added tcu, Boise, ski, and ucf (this is no slight on Houston but I've stated my reasons for preferring doubling markets), and worked out mini conference arrangements with ND, navy, and army or airforce to play 4 games per year against BE teams, they probably could have gotten $20 mil plus per all sports teams
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(04-18-2012 12:16 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 11:35 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  SF, i don't doubt your words very much, but would you mind posting a link to the post where i said i would "shut up about Big East bashing" if the new TV contract is a certain amount? I want to remember exactly what i committed myself too, LOL.

I don't have the time to find the link. However, I remember vividly that you said you won't bash the BE if BE gets a media deal that's at least $10M per team.

If he is sure of his daily gloomy predictions, he should not mind reaffirming his promise. Otherwise, I have to assume that he is merely throwing stuff against the wall hoping some will stick. He lost a lot of credibility in my eyes with his recent pooh-poohing the value of BYU.

I found the post where i made the promise, it was on february 18 in response to a challenge by UHCougar after i predicted our new deal would be worth 10 million per football school per year. I said if the new media deal is for more than $10 million per football school i would refrain from posting anything negative about the new big east schools for a year, if UH Cougar agreed to not post anything positive about the new big east schools for a year if the deal is for less than that amount.

To my knowledge, UHC did not agree to the deal, so as of now i have no promise to keep, but if he agrees to it anytime before the new media deal is reached i will honor it.
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(04-18-2012 01:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 12:16 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 11:35 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  SF, i don't doubt your words very much, but would you mind posting a link to the post where i said i would "shut up about Big East bashing" if the new TV contract is a certain amount? I want to remember exactly what i committed myself too, LOL.

I don't have the time to find the link. However, I remember vividly that you said you won't bash the BE if BE gets a media deal that's at least $10M per team.

If he is sure of his daily gloomy predictions, he should not mind reaffirming his promise. Otherwise, I have to assume that he is merely throwing stuff against the wall hoping some will stick. He lost a lot of credibility in my eyes with his recent pooh-poohing the value of BYU.

I found the post where i made the promise, it was on february 18 in response to a challenge by UHCougar after i predicted our new deal would be worth 10 million per football school per year. I said if the new media deal is for more than $10 million per football school i would refrain from posting anything negative about the new big east schools for a year, if UH Cougar agreed to not post anything positive about the new big east schools for a year if the deal is for less than that amount.

To my knowledge, UHC did not agree to the deal, so as of now i have no promise to keep, but if he agrees to it anytime before the new media deal is reached i will honor it.

You should honor your deal regardless what UHCougar will do. Most of us are tired of your doom and gloom predictions. Just do all of us a favor and honor your words that if BE gets $10M or more this upcoming deal, you will not make any negative comments about the BE going forward.
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(04-18-2012 01:03 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 11:56 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 09:21 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I have a degree in Mass Media with my as specialty television production. I have a masters degree in Sports television. I worked in sports for several years, including working at ESPN, and for a pro football team before leaving the field to work in finance. If either of you have any of these credentials, you can feel free to speak up?

Now that you've stated that, how about handicapping your prediction on how much the BE will make in its next contract, given its lineup 04-deal

A whole lot of variables, primarily if espn is interested enough to stay involved. If so I'd venture to guess $12.5 mil per team. If espn has no interest than half that would be my guess for the "value," but if the new partner has no other properties, theyd probably get something inbetween so that whomever buys the contract (I.e Comcast or turner) to prop up the value of their new commodity and make themselves seem like players.

The BE will get paid if for no other reason than whomever buys it wants it to seem like a big deal. But had the be stayed together and added tcu, Boise, ski, and ucf (this is no slight on Houston but I've stated my reasons for preferring doubling markets), and worked out mini conference arrangements with ND, navy, and army or airforce to play 4 games per year against BE teams, they probably could have gotten $20 mil plus per all sports teams

1. ESPN is interested because it's still TV content and no conferences status stays the same forever. The SEC will not always be the best, not saying the Big East will take their spot but they will not always be seen as the worst of the big boys.

2. They want BE basketball so they don't want to ignore BE FB completely.

3. You're 20 million thought is silly. They already play three games a year against ND and usually four games combined with Army and Navy. Adding 6 more games a year against those three indies plus adding TCU, UCF, Boise and what i guess you mean SMU wouldn't have put us that far ahead of the ACC and Big XII in terms of our TV conract.

4. Houston was already in the mix before TCU bailed and SMU only came into play once the Horn Frogs did leave.
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1. Interested, and "willing to pay 9 figures interested" are two different things. Word is they may not be as interested, in large part because of being offended because the BE turned them down. It had a large influence on them convincing the ACC to take Syracuse and UConn (which late became Pitt) and not so coincidentally why they encouraged the Big XII to take West Virginia.

2. This is true that they would love to keep BE basketball in some form, but it all depends on how the Big East sells it. The problem with this is the best way to keep ESPN interested is to break up the packages, but that is also the easiest way to ensure there is no bidding war, which drives down the price, especially for football. Also, unlike years past, ESPN now owns ALL of the ACC basketball package, which is getting bigger with two new additions, , but also has purchased additional basketball content from the Pac 12, SEC, and Big XII, plus carries more NBA than it used to (double headers on most Wednesdays and Fridays). It is not "as necessary" as it once was. Combined with the shift in power from the Big East to the ACC, and how ACC games actually draw higher ratings on average than the Big East,* the newfound depth of Big XII basketball, and you never know what they will want. ESPN already has much more content that it can show on three stations.

3. First off, the $20 million thought is not silly at all: in fact, it was the number the Big East was thinking when they turned down the ESPN offer, and before they completed expansion. The deal they turned down for was $13 mil per year, and that was not in an open market, did not include TCU or any other teams. And the BE has generally only played 1 game per year against ND where they control the TV rights, sometimes less. Home games at ND mean nothing for their TV value. It is funny that you think that adding "6 more games against these indies" means nothing, yet they were the top three teams the Big East has tried to add for a decade. I guess they just wanted throw money away, huh?

Not to rehash, because the argument became mostly irrelevant once Syracuse and Pitt left, but expansion to 12, under the old alignment, was not necessarily the optimal number for making money for the Big East IMO, as ten probably was, when you add in the non-football markets to the mix and extra basketball games they bring, which still makes the BE more money than football. That was before Boise seemed like a serious option. That said, the BE would have made a bigger splash in Texas with TCU and SMU, together, than TCU and another Texas school (Houston) trying to fend for themselves within their markets (note this was also before A&M left and brought the SEC into Texas). Likewise UCF creating a corridor with USF would be more valuable than trying to take on a new market and gain traction (at this time, the other perceived options were ECU, Temple, Nova, Memphis, and someone I am forgetting). What I was saying is that the 12 team lineup mentioned above, which would have had the bonus of adding to BCS busting teams to a conference in most of the major markets in the country, that had the best basketball conference and had somewhat redeemed its football image, that happened to be the only BCS league on the open market, would have done very similar to what the PAC 12 just did and had multiple networks bidding on it and driven the price very high. But that is neither here nor there.


* To be fair, I am not a fan of that stat, since the Big East has many more non-marquee games on national TV and ESPNU than anyone else, which drags down the "average" ratings for all Big East games. No other league gets games matching it's 12th best team versus its 14thg ranked team on national TV, which by virtue is going to draw less than if all of your national TV games feature your best team or your second best team, and you don't count total viewers. But that is the stat that is often quoted.
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(04-18-2012 02:42 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 01:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 12:16 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 11:35 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 07:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  SF, i don't doubt your words very much, but would you mind posting a link to the post where i said i would "shut up about Big East bashing" if the new TV contract is a certain amount? I want to remember exactly what i committed myself too, LOL.

I don't have the time to find the link. However, I remember vividly that you said you won't bash the BE if BE gets a media deal that's at least $10M per team.

If he is sure of his daily gloomy predictions, he should not mind reaffirming his promise. Otherwise, I have to assume that he is merely throwing stuff against the wall hoping some will stick. He lost a lot of credibility in my eyes with his recent pooh-poohing the value of BYU.

I found the post where i made the promise, it was on february 18 in response to a challenge by UHCougar after i predicted our new deal would be worth 10 million per football school per year. I said if the new media deal is for more than $10 million per football school i would refrain from posting anything negative about the new big east schools for a year, if UH Cougar agreed to not post anything positive about the new big east schools for a year if the deal is for less than that amount.

To my knowledge, UHC did not agree to the deal, so as of now i have no promise to keep, but if he agrees to it anytime before the new media deal is reached i will honor it.

You should honor your deal regardless what UHCougar will do. Most of us are tired of your doom and gloom predictions. Just do all of us a favor and honor your words that if BE gets $10M or more this upcoming deal, you will not make any negative comments about the BE going forward.

Well, as those weren't my words, i don't feel bound to honor them. I made the promise only about not being negative towards the new Big East schools not the Big East as a whole. That's because my point in that discussion was that the NBE schools were not big-time enough to get us a really big TV contract.

And fair is fair, if i am going to agree to not be negative about something, than UHC; the guy who challenged me to put up or shut up, should do the same in reverse.
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Quo Vadis, In response to SF's post, considering you are on a Big East board, filled primarily with Big East fans, when it comes ot the conference as a whole, you probably should refrain from spewing negativity. If that is what you wish to do, perhasp you should do it on anothe rboard. I am not telling you to leave, but Husky does have a valid point. Bringing up negatives of potential Big East schoolsis one thing. But once they have been invited, they are Big East schools, doesn;t matter how "big time" they are, they are one of us. Now if you wish to dispute facts or opinions presented about a team, that is one thing. But they are family now, and no need to put them down.
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(04-18-2012 03:49 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Quo Vadis, In response to SF's post, considering you are on a Big East board, filled primarily with Big East fans, when it comes ot the conference as a whole, you probably should refrain from spewing negativity. If that is what you wish to do, perhasp you should do it on anothe rboard. I am not telling you to leave, but Husky does have a valid point. Bringing up negatives of potential Big East schoolsis one thing. But once they have been invited, they are Big East schools, doesn;t matter how "big time" they are, they are one of us. Now if you wish to dispute facts or opinions presented about a team, that is one thing. But they are family now, and no need to put them down.

I never gratuitously "put down" other Big East schools. I do, however, think it reasonable to comment on the behavior of Big East schools negatively, if they behave negatively. Also, if for example a Houston fan claims that the addition of Houston will be a great boon to our TV contract and i do not think that is so, then i see nothing wrong with saying i do not think so.

That was the context in why my promise was made, and i do not believe comments of this kind violate the spirit of this board, in fact i think they enhance it. In effect, my promise amounts to not making legitimate comments about new Big East teams, it is not a promise to not make inappropriate comments about them, since i don't do that to begin with. That's why i am a member in good standing on this forum.
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(04-18-2012 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(04-17-2012 08:50 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(04-17-2012 08:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I believe Miami only won one championship under the BE banner in. The others were when Miami was an indy.
Believe Miami won 2 under the Big East Banner (1991 and 2001).

Miami also won national titles in '83, '87 and '89.
You might be right Knightlight. But I was thinking that Miami won the national championship in January 1991 as an indy and then was officially a member of the BE later on that year in the fall.
Miami's title in 1991 was as an independent, KL. BEast football didn't begin play until the fall of 1991, and by then Miami was on probation...
Incorrect. Miami won the 1991 national title (AP) by beating Nebraska in the OB on January 1, 1992 and playing as a Big East member.
Technically, it's included in the statistics. But since Miami only played 2 BEast conference games, I'll never count it...
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(04-18-2012 04:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 10:56 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-17-2012 09:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-17-2012 08:50 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Believe Miami won 2 under the Big East Banner (1991 and 2001).

Miami also won national titles in '83, '87 and '89.
You might be right Knightlight. But I was thinking that Miami won the national championship in January 1991 as an indy and then was officially a member of the BE later on that year in the fall.
Miami's title in 1991 was as an independent, KL. BEast football didn't begin play until the fall of 1991, and by then Miami was on probation...
Incorrect. Miami won the 1991 national title (AP) by beating Nebraska in the OB on January 1, 1992 and playing as a Big East member.
Technically, it's included in the statistics. But since Miami only played 2 BEast conference games, I'll never count it...

Fair enough. IIRC, Miami wore a big black patch on their uniform that year saying "Big East". I never understood how you could play 2 games and be included as a conference member either. They played as many games against Big 8 and SWC teams (two each) as they did Big East teams.

You certainly couldn't win the conference championship playing only two games, but it was what it was.
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(04-18-2012 04:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 10:56 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-17-2012 09:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-17-2012 08:50 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Believe Miami won 2 under the Big East Banner (1991 and 2001).

Miami also won national titles in '83, '87 and '89.
You might be right Knightlight. But I was thinking that Miami won the national championship in January 1991 as an indy and then was officially a member of the BE later on that year in the fall.
Miami's title in 1991 was as an independent, KL. BEast football didn't begin play until the fall of 1991, and by then Miami was on probation...
Incorrect. Miami won the 1991 national title (AP) by beating Nebraska in the OB on January 1, 1992 and playing as a Big East member.
Technically, it's included in the statistics. But since Miami only played 2 BEast conference games, I'll never count it...

Im sure the good people of this message board will be devastated to hear that...01-wingedeagle
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(04-18-2012 04:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Fair enough. IIRC, Miami wore a big black patch on their uniform that year saying "Big East". I never understood how you could play 2 games and be included as a conference member either. They played as many games against Big 8 and SWC teams (two each) as they did Big East teams.

You certainly couldn't win the conference championship playing only two games, but it was what it was.
Yeah, apparently the BE did not technically produce a champion for the first two football years. Not sure how that arrangement worked with the NCAA and Bowl Coalition or whatever governing body, but they did I guess.

Facts are facts are facts. I don't see a reason for some to ignore them because it doesn't fit their opinion.

Fact is that Miami was in the BE, Bit.
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You can say that until you're blue in the face, as far as I'm concerned...
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(04-18-2012 06:06 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  You can say that until you're blue in the face, as far as I'm concerned...
Hey, no problem if you want ignore factual evidence because it doesn't fit your opinion. That's certainly within your right.
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(04-18-2012 04:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Fair enough. IIRC, Miami wore a big black patch on their uniform that year saying "Big East". I never understood how you could play 2 games and be included as a conference member either. They played as many games against Big 8 and SWC teams (two each) as they did Big East teams.

You certainly couldn't win the conference championship playing only two games, but it was what it was.
Yeah, apparently the BE did not technically produce a champion for the first two football years. Not sure how that arrangement worked with the NCAA and Bowl Coalition or whatever governing body, but they did I guess.

The first of the BCS-type alliances was the "Bowl Coalition", and that was created in the off-season between 1991 and 1992, so there was no alliance/coalition in effect when Miami won that national title.
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(04-18-2012 04:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  You certainly couldn't win the conference championship playing only two games, but it was what it was.

Don't let Notre Dame hear about this
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(04-18-2012 06:09 PM)Wooglin157 Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 06:06 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  You can say that until you're blue in the face, as far as I'm concerned...
Hey, no problem if you want ignore factual evidence because it doesn't fit your opinion. That's certainly within your right.
If you want to believe a team that only played 2 conference games won the conference, that's your right. Just don't expect me to buy it...
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RE: CBS Sportsline/BCS Revenue Sharing/BIG EAST/B1G/Pac 12/Rose Bowl take...
Nobody said anything about winning the conference. In fact, I said that the BE didn't produce a champ for its first two football years. But it was a FB playing conference with teams beginning in 1991.

This was probably a consequence of the teams being invited that were previously independents and had many contracts to break. By year 3 of BE play, they started to produce an official champion.

My only point was that Miami was under the BE banner and was a BE team at the time they won their MNC. You kept saying they were D I-A Independent, which is factually incorrect.
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