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RE: BCS Founder Roy Kramer-3 Highest Ranked Conference Champs/1 Wildcard...
(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 04:06 AM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If there's any gripes about a major team being left out, well then it's their own fault for not winning all their games. Should get rid of a lot of the debates. Only potential controversy is if an undefeated team from the MAC or Sun Belt gets left out which kind of sucks, but still an overall improvement from the current system.

Depending on how they draw up the criteria, most estimates the only team of the non-AQs that could make it using the top 4 criteria was us (TCU) out of a strong MWC.

Basically, I think the MAC, WAC (if it exists) and Sunbelt champ will basically have no chance, even if undefeated. A MWC/CUSA or alliance champ (if it exists) will need an undefeated season and a little luck (i.e. some degree of attrition at the top) to make it. A stong nonconference win would help. The BE/ACC will make it undefeated every year, will need a little luck (attrition) with one loss. The SEC/Big 12/PAc-12, Big 10 champ will likely be in the top 4 with one loss. They'd need a lot of luck with 2 losses.

I agree with your assessment, but what do we care about the MWC??? We're a part of the cartel now 04-cheers
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04-18-2012 09:39 PM
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RE: BCS Founder Roy Kramer-3 Highest Ranked Conference Champs/1 Wildcard...
(04-18-2012 09:39 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 04:06 AM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If there's any gripes about a major team being left out, well then it's their own fault for not winning all their games. Should get rid of a lot of the debates. Only potential controversy is if an undefeated team from the MAC or Sun Belt gets left out which kind of sucks, but still an overall improvement from the current system.

Depending on how they draw up the criteria, most estimates the only team of the non-AQs that could make it using the top 4 criteria was us (TCU) out of a strong MWC.

Basically, I think the MAC, WAC (if it exists) and Sunbelt champ will basically have no chance, even if undefeated. A MWC/CUSA or alliance champ (if it exists) will need an undefeated season and a little luck (i.e. some degree of attrition at the top) to make it. A stong nonconference win would help. The BE/ACC will make it undefeated every year, will need a little luck (attrition) with one loss. The SEC/Big 12/PAc-12, Big 10 champ will likely be in the top 4 with one loss. They'd need a lot of luck with 2 losses.

I agree with your assessment, but what do we care about the MWC??? We're a part of the cartel now 04-cheers

Not for long.
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RE: BCS Founder Roy Kramer-3 Highest Ranked Conference Champs/1 Wildcard...
(04-18-2012 11:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 09:39 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 04:06 AM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If there's any gripes about a major team being left out, well then it's their own fault for not winning all their games. Should get rid of a lot of the debates. Only potential controversy is if an undefeated team from the MAC or Sun Belt gets left out which kind of sucks, but still an overall improvement from the current system.

Depending on how they draw up the criteria, most estimates the only team of the non-AQs that could make it using the top 4 criteria was us (TCU) out of a strong MWC.

Basically, I think the MAC, WAC (if it exists) and Sunbelt champ will basically have no chance, even if undefeated. A MWC/CUSA or alliance champ (if it exists) will need an undefeated season and a little luck (i.e. some degree of attrition at the top) to make it. A stong nonconference win would help. The BE/ACC will make it undefeated every year, will need a little luck (attrition) with one loss. The SEC/Big 12/PAc-12, Big 10 champ will likely be in the top 4 with one loss. They'd need a lot of luck with 2 losses.

I agree with your assessment, but what do we care about the MWC??? We're a part of the cartel now 04-cheers

Not for long.

Yup...because after 2013 the "cartel" is likely gone for everyone.
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RE: BCS Founder Roy Kramer-3 Highest Ranked Conference Champs/1 Wildcard...
(04-19-2012 08:52 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 11:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 09:39 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 09:27 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(04-18-2012 04:06 AM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If there's any gripes about a major team being left out, well then it's their own fault for not winning all their games. Should get rid of a lot of the debates. Only potential controversy is if an undefeated team from the MAC or Sun Belt gets left out which kind of sucks, but still an overall improvement from the current system.

Depending on how they draw up the criteria, most estimates the only team of the non-AQs that could make it using the top 4 criteria was us (TCU) out of a strong MWC.

Basically, I think the MAC, WAC (if it exists) and Sunbelt champ will basically have no chance, even if undefeated. A MWC/CUSA or alliance champ (if it exists) will need an undefeated season and a little luck (i.e. some degree of attrition at the top) to make it. A stong nonconference win would help. The BE/ACC will make it undefeated every year, will need a little luck (attrition) with one loss. The SEC/Big 12/PAc-12, Big 10 champ will likely be in the top 4 with one loss. They'd need a lot of luck with 2 losses.

I agree with your assessment, but what do we care about the MWC??? We're a part of the cartel now 04-cheers

Not for long.

Yup...because after 2013 the "cartel" is likely gone for everyone.

Yes, but 5 minutes after the cartel is dissolved, the PAC and B1G will have a deal with the Rose Bowl, the SEC with the Sugar, the ACC with the Orange, and the Big 12 with the Fiesta. It will be back to the future, circa 1990.
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RE: BCS Founder Roy Kramer-3 Highest Ranked Conference Champs/1 Wildcard...
And if the purposed go through then those games are going to be basically meaningless.

Unless you are in the "Playoffs" nobody going to care. The 3 Champs plus the 1 Wildcard are going to get the attention.

5 Minutes they can sign those leagues, the BIG EAST/Notre Dame will get a decent tie-in as well in case it doesn't get into the "Playoff".

It no longer really about Bowls, it going to be about TV $$$$. This aint the 70s no more que.
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