Im trying to be a good sport....But Louisville needs to get out of the Big East as soon as possible.

(04-19-2012 03:41 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Im trying to be a good sport....But Louisville needs to get out of the Big East as soon as possible.

Then go join the alliance. You wouldn't be where you are without the Big East.

Im really sick and tired of UofL fans thinking they are now to good for this league. In FB you haven't done much since Petrino left, which was a while ago. UofL falling off is one of the reasons we are in such a crappy situation.

(04-19-2012 03:41 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Im trying to be a good sport....But Louisville needs to get out of the Big East as soon as possible.

I wish you would. How do you think ECU fans feel right now?
This is our new league

(04-19-2012 04:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:41 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Im trying to be a good sport....But Louisville needs to get out of the Big East as soon as possible.

Then go join the alliance. You wouldn't be where you are without the Big East.

Im really sick and tired of UofL fans thinking they are now to good for this league. In FB you haven't done much since Petrino left, which was a while ago. UofL falling off is one of the reasons we are in such a crappy situation.

This.

(04-19-2012 04:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:41 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Im trying to be a good sport....But Louisville needs to get out of the Big East as soon as possible.

Then go join the alliance. You wouldn't be where you are without the Big East.

Im really sick and tired of UofL fans thinking they are now to good for this league. In FB you haven't done much since Petrino left, which was a while ago. UofL falling off is one of the reasons we are in such a crappy situation.

I was thinking more like the Big 12, ACC or even SEC. Don't put words in my mouth either by trying to say I think we are to good for the Big East. The Big East has been good to us and Im sure I've said that several times on here. Your so called UofL falling off is the reason why the BE is in a crappy situation is really a stupid statement. No, the reason why the Big East has fallen off is because its not 1990 anymore and the hybrid thing just doesn't cut it anymore. Your saying UofL is the reason WVU, Pitt & Cuse left pretty much...So whos fault was it when Miami, Va. Tech & BC left? I can honestly say its more of the basketball only schools fault...Schools like St. Johns & Nova.
Louisville is an all sports school unlike St. Johns so we have a little more risk in this situation. I know its hard for you to understand but thats just how it is.....I think youre afraid if UofL leaves it would be the last strike for the BE. Then finally, maybe, the Bball only schools will form their own conferece because ultimately that would save the all sports schools....And now it gets worse with football only members, but I would rather have football only members over basketball only members that have trouble averaging 5,000 fans a game.

(04-20-2012 01:47 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  I think youre afraid if UofL leaves it would be the last strike for the BE. Then finally, maybe, the Bball only schools will form their own conferece because ultimately that would save the all sports schools....And now it gets worse with football only members, but I would rather have football only members over basketball only members that have trouble averaging 5,000 fans a game.

With all due respect (and I like UL and would hate to see them go), the Cards leaving wouldn't have near that impact. The conference would simply rinse and repeat. No muss, no fuss.
It would just mean that we'd go after 2 of the three (between BYU, AF, and Fresno). It'd probably mean we get a second California fb program.
Football-wise, replacing UL with an AF/Fresno combo would probably make the conference more stable. UL still has a long way to go on the gridiron..
And with Larry Brown now at SMU, basketball continues to get stronger by the minute.
I think some UL fans have a higher opinion of their program than the rest of the country does (including the Big 12). You did great getting to the Final Four. If I were you I'd still be enjoying that.

(04-20-2012 02:00 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 01:47 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  I think youre afraid if UofL leaves it would be the last strike for the BE. Then finally, maybe, the Bball only schools will form their own conferece because ultimately that would save the all sports schools....And now it gets worse with football only members, but I would rather have football only members over basketball only members that have trouble averaging 5,000 fans a game.

With all due respect (and I like UL and would hate to see them go), the Cards leaving wouldn't have near that impact. The conference would simply rinse and repeat. No muss, no fuss.
It would just mean that we'd go after 2 of the three (between BYU, AF, and Fresno). It'd probably mean we get a second California fb program.
Football-wise, replacing UL with an AF/Fresno combo would probably make the conference more stable. UL still has a long way to go on the gridiron..
And with Larry Brown now at SMU, basketball continues to get stronger by the minute.
I think some UL fans have a higher opinion of their program than the rest of the country does (including the Big 12). You did great getting to the Final Four. If I were you I'd still be enjoying that.

With all due respect, do you really think BYU & Air Force will join the BE?. If that was the case they would be the first ones in already it would seem like. Maybe Air Force but BYU is not joining the BE unless they are forced to. I agree adding AF/Fresno St. would make the BE more stable. (Thats because no one else wants them.) If UofL is such a non player then we wouldnt be seeing a different post on here every other day by non UofL fans. And there are several Big 12 schools that have good opinions on UofL and have come forth saying they would like to have UofL in the conference.

(04-20-2012 02:13 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  I agree adding AF/Fresno St. would make the BE more stable. (Thats because no one else wants them.) If UofL is such a non player then we wouldnt be seeing a different post on here every other day by non UofL fans. And there are several Big 12 schools that have good opinions on UofL and have come forth saying they would like to have UofL in the conference.

Actually, the Big 12 pursued Air Force long before the Louisville rumors.
Air Force actually rebuffed their interest. Apparently because it would create a further competitive divide for their other sports.
A football-only situation for Air Force in the Big East would be more ideal for them.
As for no one wanting Fresno St., you'd be more precise if you said that the Pac 12 doesn't want them. The Pac 12 has 4 California schools. The other conferences don't have the infrastructure to consider Fresno State.
In the end, it's all just a numbers game.
I think highly of UL too, just as I do every other team in the nBe. However, the Cards are not the straw that stirs the drink. Particularly in football, which is where we need to make our stand. I don't see a lot of separation in the football programs at UL, Air Force, and Fresno.

As for BYU, it's just a matter of how far the two ends meet from the middle. BYU wouldn't have spent so long negotiating with the Big East previously, if they weren't interested. However, they're a bigger headache than they're worth.

(04-20-2012 03:38 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  [color=#FF0000]Actually, the Big 12 pursued Air Force long before the Louisville rumors.

There is nothing factual about this statement. You may need to do some research on this before you comment further.

(04-20-2012 03:54 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 03:38 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  [color=#FF0000]Actually, the Big 12 pursued Air Force long before the Louisville rumors.

There is nothing factual about this statement. You may need to do some research on this before you comment further.

LMAO! I was following it closely. Does it bother you that much that the Big 12 put a higher priority on Air Force?

Nope. I just know that there is not a single person anywhere with any sort of credibility in the Big East, the Big XII, the MWC, Air Force, or anywhere else who will in any way agree with you. Not one. Especially since I can give you exact dates for all of the discussions - here's a hint, Louisville and Pittsburgh where the FIRST two teams the Big XII approached, back in the spring/summer of 2011, and both turned them down. This was back when they were still trying to keep Texas A&M happy, and keep Missouri from havign a wandering eye, and neither wanted any part of it - This was BEFORE TCU or WVU wer ever even considered, much less BYU or Air Force. Whoops!! Do not speak of things you know nothing about.

As Red Foreman would say, shut up dumb***. Talking to people like you is a waste of my time, however you have shwon up and started posting so much lately, someone new to the board who does not know better might actually think you have any clue as to what you are talking about. You don't! And that is the only reason I even bother to occasionally respond to you.

LOL....Why would the Big 12 want a school that struggles to get 30,000 in the stands? And half of those have to be in the stands because its kind of a rule for military students to attend the football games. I wonder how many season tickets a military school like Air Force sales? Im not disputing maybe the Big 12 looked but they would never touch.

Cardhouse, the Big XII did look into AFA, and AFA did say no. But the BIG XII was doing due dilligence on them, they were not offered so to speak. Word was it may have been a ploy to get BYU to change their tune.

I understand why a basketball only school & original member is fighting for the BE. But he is only speaking his opinion on Louisville fans thinking they are high & mighty. I never seen one Louisville fan say they were to good for the BE, just only they want to make sure they are not on the outside looking in. Whats wrong with that? Nothing.

(04-20-2012 04:31 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Cardhouse, the Big XII did look into AFA, and AFA did say no. But the BIG XII was doing due dilligence on them, they were not offered so to speak. Word was it may have been a ploy to get BYU to change their tune.

This was prior to the TCU and WVU invites. The Big 12 most definitely would have taken Air Force over the redundant market they got in TCU. As for BYU, the Big 12 doesn't need "a ploy" to get BYU. BYU wants the Big 12 more than the Big 12 want them. And BYU certainly doesn't give a damn about AFA. Those are completely separate issues.

Courtesy of NBC Sports:



Air Force AD: ‘interest high in Big East’ after turning down Big 12

Posted by John Taylor on October 9, 2011, 2:39 PM EDT

There has been more than just a little talk of late that Air Force would take its football program out of its current conference home in the Mountain West and move it to the Big East. Based on the words of the service academy’s athletic director, that “little talk” is more than just idle chatter and could come to fruition by the end of this month.

And, in what’s one of the more remarkable twists in this latest round of expansion apocalypse, the same school also snubbed the advances of another BcS conference. Before touching on that, however, let’s get the meat of the subject matter out of the way first.

In a conversation with the Denver Post following the Falcons’ loss to Notre Dame yesterday, AD Hans Mueh openly admitted a very keen interest in moving his football program to the Big East — the academy’s other sports would move to the Missouri Valley Conference in such a scenario — and that the athletic department’s future should be decided by the end of October.

“Our interest is high in the Big East. That’s fair to say,” Mueh told the Post. ”This stuff is moving fast.”

Mueh also said he would like for the other service academies to join Air Force in the Big East.

“In my perfect world, with the Big East on the radar, I would love Air Force, Navy and Army to be in that conference together,” the AD said.

Navy has been connected to the Big East for several weeks, as has Army, although the latter seems to be uncertain about making the move both because of the level of competition — memo to the Black Knights: it’s the Big East, you’ll be just fine — and because they enjoy what independence means for scheduling.

What the loss of Air Force would do to the Mountain West’s future plans remains to be seen. The conference has already lost BYU (independence) and Utah (Pac-12) this year, and will lose TCU (Big East Big 12) next year. Those losses have been or will be offset by the additions of Boise State, Nevada, Fresno State and Hawaii.

When all of the dust settles, and if Air Force leaves as expected, the MWC would be left with nine members. Such a scenario could be the trigger for the long-rumored merger/affiliation with Conference USA.

As noted by the website Mountain West Connection — thanks for the heads up, Jeremy — though, perhaps the biggest news to come out of the Post’s piece had absolutely nothing to do with the Big East. According to Mueh, his school was rebuffed overtures from the Big 12 that could have meant millions of dollars for his athletic department’s coffers.

“We were approached by the Big 12, and I told them we’re not a good fit for that conference. In the Big 12, geography makes sense, the economics make sense, but recruiting makes no sense for us. I can’t recruit against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State,” Mueh told the paper.

“That’s why I turned down the Big 12. I can’t do that to my kids, because they’ll get beat up. I’d love the extra $12 million or whatever it would be per year from the TV money. And I know how I’d spend the money. I’d build a new soccer stadium, and I’d build a new baseball facility, all in one year. But I can’t do that.”

What a novel concept, doing what’s best for your student-athletes instead of chasing every last dollar.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...wn-big-12/

Are you dumb, or just stupid? Look at the date on your article: this is at least six months after what I am talking about. Tcu wasnt a "redundant market" because texas A&M was still inthe league. Oh, and the big 12 tried and has been trying to get BYU: they neer agreed to terms basically because byu wanted special terms. If they need the big xii more, perhaps someone should tell them that. But of course you knew that? Of course you should have, since everyone else knows that.

Like i said, you do not speak anything but out of your ass. You know absolutely nothing of what you speak of. And my work here is done because now your ignorance has been out on display for everyone to see.

And for the last time, if you don't quit trying to touch my junk...

(04-20-2012 06:32 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Are you dumb, or just stupid? Look at the date on your article: this is at least six months after what I am talking about. Tcu wasnt a "redundant market" because texas A&M was still inthe league. Oh, and the big 12 tried and has been trying to get BYU: they neer agreed to terms basically because byu wanted special terms. If they need the big xii more, perhaps someone should tell them that. But of course you knew that? Of course you should have, since everyone else knows that.

Like i said, you do not speak anything but out of your ass. You know absolutely nothing of what you speak of. And my work here is done because now your ignorance has been out on display for everyone to see.

And for the last time, if you don't quit trying to touch my junk...

I noticed that when you are shown to be wrong, ignorant, and a moron on something (which happens a lot), you go for a stupid gif. Or you play with yourself in a group of dudes. why don't you explain to me how you are not wrong (can't do it, but I want to hear you try).