(04-09-2012 01:50 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:34 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:27 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:22 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:17 PM)TOGC Wrote:  A meaningful stand?

I have not watched a college football game, other than Tiger games, since the 1989 Sugar Bowl between Florida State and Auburn.

Is that meaningful enough for you?

i dont care what you do, I just think it is odd that you yell at people for not throwing a fit about a product you still consume. you cant be a little pregnant you know. plus, it is not like the tigers have been clean since 1989.

I don't consume the product of any school other than the one on my college diploma. And I have railed against my own school when they were found guilty of breaking the rules. Dana Kirk and John Calipari did more damage to the program than good.

I have no idea how you can say I'm still consuming the product when I haven't watched a non-Tiger college football game in 23 years.

and i have no idea how you can deny you consume the product. by your own admission you watch potentially up to 11 college football games a year. That is potentially 12 college football programs per year. Those programs come from various conferences spread out across the ncaa. If you watched zero college games you would not be consuming the product. if you are really as appalled as you seem to want all of us to be just drop it cold turkey.

So you're saying everyone cheats? I'm not that cynical.

so you only watch the games where you know neither team has cheated?

what would you like us to do to make you feel we are as appalled as you say you are about the situation surrounding college athletics?

to answer your question directly, yes, i think every Division 1 program has things going on they do not want to get out.

Where you at SalukiBlue, your boy's in trouble.

(04-09-2012 02:00 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:50 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:34 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:27 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:22 PM)FUT Wrote:  i dont care what you do, I just think it is odd that you yell at people for not throwing a fit about a product you still consume. you cant be a little pregnant you know. plus, it is not like the tigers have been clean since 1989.

I don't consume the product of any school other than the one on my college diploma. And I have railed against my own school when they were found guilty of breaking the rules. Dana Kirk and John Calipari did more damage to the program than good.

I have no idea how you can say I'm still consuming the product when I haven't watched a non-Tiger college football game in 23 years.

and i have no idea how you can deny you consume the product. by your own admission you watch potentially up to 11 college football games a year. That is potentially 12 college football programs per year. Those programs come from various conferences spread out across the ncaa. If you watched zero college games you would not be consuming the product. if you are really as appalled as you seem to want all of us to be just drop it cold turkey.

So you're saying everyone cheats? I'm not that cynical.

so you only watch the games where you know neither team has cheated?

what would you like us to do to make you feel we are as appalled as you say you are about the situation surrounding college athletics?

to answer your question directly, yes, i think every Division 1 program has things going on they do not want to get out.

To answer your question, I only watch Memphis games. No one else. When our opponents aren't playing us, I'm not watching them.

And we'll agree to disagree on that last statement you made. I do believe that there are still some clean coaches and clean programs.

(04-09-2012 01:08 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:59 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:53 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:44 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:35 PM)TOGC Wrote:  I find it appalling how many people are trying to justify this behavior. Do you tell small kids that it's ok to win at all costs? To cheat, in case you get away with it?

i am not trying to justify anything, just telling you how it is. yes, there are tons of people telling kids (AAU) to do what it takes to get ahead in sports. most of those people come from poor areas and most of those kids are poor kids. the system (ncaa) is doing fine (check out the latest tv contracts) and the coaches are getting filthy rich so why cant they get ahead? like i said, if you want to see pure sports go root for CBU or Rhodes. Hell, even some Ivy league schools are lowering academic standards to get better basketball players in.

You seem to have no problem with it. Isn't that justifying it?

where did I say i had no problem with it? you are barking at the wrong person. Call up mark emmerit or the folks at CBS. I do not make or enforce the rules. I simply enjoy the games.

Do you still go to games? Watch them on tv? Does that make you part of the problem?

I don't watch any college games anymore except the Tigers. I just got sick of the BS.

For someone who doesn't "consume the product", you sure do post a bunch about other teams on the Big East boards.

(04-09-2012 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:08 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:59 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:53 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:44 PM)FUT Wrote:  i am not trying to justify anything, just telling you how it is. yes, there are tons of people telling kids (AAU) to do what it takes to get ahead in sports. most of those people come from poor areas and most of those kids are poor kids. the system (ncaa) is doing fine (check out the latest tv contracts) and the coaches are getting filthy rich so why cant they get ahead? like i said, if you want to see pure sports go root for CBU or Rhodes. Hell, even some Ivy league schools are lowering academic standards to get better basketball players in.

You seem to have no problem with it. Isn't that justifying it?

where did I say i had no problem with it? you are barking at the wrong person. Call up mark emmerit or the folks at CBS. I do not make or enforce the rules. I simply enjoy the games.

Do you still go to games? Watch them on tv? Does that make you part of the problem?

I don't watch any college games anymore except the Tigers. I just got sick of the BS.

For someone who doesn't "consume the product", you sure do post a bunch about other teams on the Big East boards.

It doesn't mean I watch their games.

(04-09-2012 02:06 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:08 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:59 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:53 PM)TOGC Wrote:  You seem to have no problem with it. Isn't that justifying it?

where did I say i had no problem with it? you are barking at the wrong person. Call up mark emmerit or the folks at CBS. I do not make or enforce the rules. I simply enjoy the games.

Do you still go to games? Watch them on tv? Does that make you part of the problem?

I don't watch any college games anymore except the Tigers. I just got sick of the BS.

For someone who doesn't "consume the product", you sure do post a bunch about other teams on the Big East boards.

It doesn't mean I watch their games.

so you are posting opinions on teams you've never viewed?

lololol, boy's getting whooped like a gov't mule in this thread.

What's that saying about someone not knowing to come in out of the rain?

...and he's posting about Drew and others when he has admitted never watched a game of theirs ever, since BU has never played Memphis.

Hasn't seen a college football game (except Memphis) since 1989?

That's just stupid.

(04-09-2012 02:05 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:00 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:50 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:34 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:27 PM)TOGC Wrote:  I don't consume the product of any school other than the one on my college diploma. And I have railed against my own school when they were found guilty of breaking the rules. Dana Kirk and John Calipari did more damage to the program than good.

I have no idea how you can say I'm still consuming the product when I haven't watched a non-Tiger college football game in 23 years.

and i have no idea how you can deny you consume the product. by your own admission you watch potentially up to 11 college football games a year. That is potentially 12 college football programs per year. Those programs come from various conferences spread out across the ncaa. If you watched zero college games you would not be consuming the product. if you are really as appalled as you seem to want all of us to be just drop it cold turkey.

So you're saying everyone cheats? I'm not that cynical.

so you only watch the games where you know neither team has cheated?

what would you like us to do to make you feel we are as appalled as you say you are about the situation surrounding college athletics?

to answer your question directly, yes, i think every Division 1 program has things going on they do not want to get out.

I do believe that there are still some clean coaches and clean programs.

There aren't

(04-09-2012 02:19 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:05 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:00 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:50 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:34 PM)FUT Wrote:  and i have no idea how you can deny you consume the product. by your own admission you watch potentially up to 11 college football games a year. That is potentially 12 college football programs per year. Those programs come from various conferences spread out across the ncaa. If you watched zero college games you would not be consuming the product. if you are really as appalled as you seem to want all of us to be just drop it cold turkey.

So you're saying everyone cheats? I'm not that cynical.

so you only watch the games where you know neither team has cheated?

what would you like us to do to make you feel we are as appalled as you say you are about the situation surrounding college athletics?

to answer your question directly, yes, i think every Division 1 program has things going on they do not want to get out.

I do believe that there are still some clean coaches and clean programs.

There aren't

there are, they just play in one bid leagues.

(04-09-2012 10:34 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If probation is another vacating of wins, I'm cool with that.

Each time we're moving up! The next one will vacate an NCAA Championship!

(04-09-2012 02:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:06 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:08 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 12:59 PM)FUT Wrote:  where did I say i had no problem with it? you are barking at the wrong person. Call up mark emmerit or the folks at CBS. I do not make or enforce the rules. I simply enjoy the games.

Do you still go to games? Watch them on tv? Does that make you part of the problem?

I don't watch any college games anymore except the Tigers. I just got sick of the BS.

For someone who doesn't "consume the product", you sure do post a bunch about other teams on the Big East boards.

It doesn't mean I watch their games.

so you are posting opinions on teams you've never viewed?

You post opinions without even thinking. I'm one up on you.

(04-09-2012 11:16 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 11:14 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  Yeah and we see what happened to Sampson. Tore IU's program to the dirt, worse than Cal did with us.

Poor Sampson, working in the NBA now

Making $250k when he could be making $3 million as a major college head coach.

(04-09-2012 02:27 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:06 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 01:08 PM)TOGC Wrote:  I don't watch any college games anymore except the Tigers. I just got sick of the BS.

For someone who doesn't "consume the product", you sure do post a bunch about other teams on the Big East boards.

It doesn't mean I watch their games.

so you are posting opinions on teams you've never viewed?

You post opinions without even thinking. I'm one up on you.

So, I'm guessing you are trapped, thus the unrelated rebuttal?

(04-09-2012 02:28 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 11:16 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 11:14 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  Yeah and we see what happened to Sampson. Tore IU's program to the dirt, worse than Cal did with us.

Poor Sampson, working in the NBA now

Making $250k when he could be making $3 million as a major college head coach.

No doubt it cost him money, but on the other side, all he has to do is watch tape and carry a clipboard. still gets to have a job in the game he loves.

(04-09-2012 10:31 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 10:26 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  You ain't tryin' if you ain't cheatin'.

(04-09-2012 10:29 AM)tigergg Wrote:  Not surprising at all, I bet you 75% of College Coaches out there do this and more..It's just whoever the NCAA wants to find something on at any particular time..

So, you condone cheating?

Considering Memphis is still considered an "outlaw" program because of the Dana Kirk and John Calipari era, I would think that most Tiger fans would be appalled by this type of behavior.

Or would you rather be on probation again?

Both eras had nothing to do with coaching staff so blaming either coach for violations is out of bounds. Kirks proven violation was due to actions of financial aid department and not the coaching staff. Cals violation due to action of ETS and no one at the University.

(04-09-2012 12:01 PM)Blackman Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 11:49 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 11:13 AM)Blackman Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 11:03 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  You can pretty casually brush over it.

Quote:Combined, the men's and women's basketball programs sent 738 impermissible text messages and made 528 impermissible calls over a span of nearly two-and-a-half years.

That's less than a text a day, and a call and a half a day. Over multiple programs. It sounds more like the entire AD had a compliance problem more than a concerted effort to try and thwart the rules by Drew.

Kelvin Sampson was whacked for making a similar number of calls over a longer period of time, so there is a precedent here.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243793

The NCAA launched its investigation after Indiana announced in October that Sampson had made 100 impermissible phone calls while he was on probation for illicit calls made while he was the coach at Oklahoma from 2000-06. During that time, he made 577 impermissible calls.

It is not even a rule anymore because it was retarded in the first place. I doubt anything happens

I will disagree with you about the usefullness of the rule. It was put in place for a reason. It is just impossible to contain.

However I will agree with you on doubting anything happens. Of course that brings us back to the idea of selective enforcement or the NCAA's "rules"

I disagree. The rule was put in place for a reason, yes, but it made the game more dirty. By unlimited contact with a prospect the NCAA will eliminate the need for a middle man (runner,AAU coach) by allowing the coach to always speak with the player instead of shady handlers. THAT rule is what has made the game so dirty.

TOGC believe me I understand where your coming from..I wish the game wasn't as tainted as it is now..I know you want to believe that there are a lot of Coaches out there, namely Josh, that are not benders of the system..It would really be hard in today's game to be competitive if a coach didn't do something against the rules..I want like heck to believe that CJP is clean as a whistle..In fact I can't say that he isn't, but if he is to keep up with the bigguns in CBB I would find it hard to believe he could do it according to the NCAA rule book when 90% of the others aren't..

(04-09-2012 11:05 AM)fsquid Wrote:  looks like Baylor did this so that LSU wouldn't come after Drew. Smart, if RC had done that, we'd have our national title by now.

very true...we should have leaked all the NCAA stuff the SECOND Billy G was fired at UK.

(04-09-2012 02:02 PM)wild bill Wrote:  Where you at SalukiBlue, your boy's in trouble.

Huh?

Who's my "boy?"


Edit...I guess you are referring to Drew?

Don't know how he's my "boy"...but as for trouble:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...ot-kidding

Quote:Now let's get back to Baylor.

The NCAA examined Scott Drew's program from every angle for years. Not months. Years. And unless there's more to come -- and sources told CBSSports.com that there isn't more to come -- the NCAA didn't find an agent funneling a prospect to the program (as was found at Connecticut under Jim Calhoun) or a fraudulent SAT score (as was found at Memphis under John Calipari) or a compromised drug policy (as was found at Syracuse under Jim Boeheim).

The biggest thing the NCAA was able to charge Baylor with after a lengthy investigation is that the staff got kinda crazy with their iPhones, which should be cause for a massive party in Waco provided those at the Christian school hold massive parties.

I'm not even joking.

I remember telling somebody on Calipari's staff at Memphis back in 2008 that if you get investigated at a high-major program and the biggest thing you get charged with is a fraudulent SAT score, you should probably be elated, and the same theory applies here. If I'm Baylor, I'm thrilled. I would accept my sanctions with great pride and scream to the world that all I did to make two Elite Eights in the past three years is call and text a bunch, then I'd ask opposing staffs if they can say the same and watch as everybody sits silently.

Again, I'm not even joking.

I genuinely believe this is a good day for Baylor...