and say from the beginning of their career, that they might have inappropriate sex at some point in their lives, so the public will be forewarned and won't be surprised when something like that happens. Why do we make such a big deal of people's sex lives. This crap has gone on since the beginning of time. If there is anything to the Petrino story, I feel sorry for the family. Other than that, it doesn't make any difference to me. He is hired to coach football. If he is good at his job, that should be sufficient. I know I'll get some disagreement on this, but so be it. Just another person with human weaknesses.

(04-05-2012 11:11 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  and say from the beginning of their career, that they might have inappropriate sex at some point in their lives, so the public will be forewarned and won't be surprised when something like that happens. Why do we make such a big deal of people's sex lives. This crap has gone on since the beginning of time. If there is anything to the Petrino story, I feel sorry for the family. Other than that, it doesn't make any difference to me. He is hired to coach football. If he is good at his job, that should be sufficient. I know I'll get some disagreement on this, but so be it. Just another person with human weaknesses.

We could argue whether an individual with little or no character should be in a position where he is asked to be a role model and to "mold" young men into productive, law-abiding citizens. You say it shouldn't matter and that's fine. The issue here is much bigger, from a legal perspective, because it involves a subordinate at a State agency that he recently hired. Issues like sexual harrassment, favoritism in hiring, etc. are not taken lightly at the State goverment level.

After further reflection, I think he should be released from his duties. It's not the relationship per se. As you say, it's the example he's set for his young men who are supposed to be his responsibility. If a person drinks, has innapropriate sex, etc., that's between him and his family, and the law, if he's breaking it. But there are consequences that are unavoidable when it comes to his employment.
I guarantee you, had he gone 5-25 in the past two years instead of the other way around, there would be no doubt what would happen.
He'd be heading out of Fayetteville pronto. It's probably going to get worse before it gets better. A prompt resignation would make it easier on all concerned. Keep the staff. Just replace the head coach.

(04-05-2012 11:19 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 11:11 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  and say from the beginning of their career, that they might have inappropriate sex at some point in their lives, so the public will be forewarned and won't be surprised when something like that happens. Why do we make such a big deal of people's sex lives. This crap has gone on since the beginning of time. If there is anything to the Petrino story, I feel sorry for the family. Other than that, it doesn't make any difference to me. He is hired to coach football. If he is good at his job, that should be sufficient. I know I'll get some disagreement on this, but so be it. Just another person with human weaknesses.

We could argue whether an individual with little or no character should be in a position where he is asked to be a role model and to "mold" young men into productive, law-abiding citizens. You say it shouldn't matter and that's fine. The issue here is much bigger, from a legal perspective, because it involves a subordinate at a State agency that he recently hired. Issues like sexual harrassment, favoritism in hiring, etc. are not taken lightly at the State goverment level.

I'm surprised at you Doc. You've always talked about what a great role model Shields is and has been, and as far as we know, that is true. Look at the number of kids that Shields has brought in, and as far as we know, all have been good citizens of the school, even though many weren't good basketball players. You don't think that the kind of man Shields is had anything to do with that do you? Of course it did. Of course you never know what a man does behind closed doors, but Steve Shields character has never been an issue with me or anyone else that I know of. Petrino's character has been well documented.

Now you say that a guy is hired to coach, and if he is good at that, then that's all that matters. That's okay as long as you're winning, but if he's a scumbag, he damn sure better not start losing. That doesn't make sense. If you're a winner you can be a scumbag, but if you're a loser it's not okay.

And Mickey, all this stuff you talk about on the state government level, well, it's okay as long as you don't get caught. Nothing dirtier or more crooked than politics, and most politicians. And that includes both sides of the aisle.

That's like the statement by the state police about charging $10 for the police report. They've never done this in the past according to
Sadler(the state police spokesman). Now they charge $10, like they thought the press wouldn't pay it to check out a hog employee. But, now they're just doing it now to follow state law. What about state law before this accident?

(04-06-2012 09:56 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 11:19 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 11:11 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  and say from the beginning of their career, that they might have inappropriate sex at some point in their lives, so the public will be forewarned and won't be surprised when something like that happens. Why do we make such a big deal of people's sex lives. This crap has gone on since the beginning of time. If there is anything to the Petrino story, I feel sorry for the family. Other than that, it doesn't make any difference to me. He is hired to coach football. If he is good at his job, that should be sufficient. I know I'll get some disagreement on this, but so be it. Just another person with human weaknesses.

We could argue whether an individual with little or no character should be in a position where he is asked to be a role model and to "mold" young men into productive, law-abiding citizens. You say it shouldn't matter and that's fine. The issue here is much bigger, from a legal perspective, because it involves a subordinate at a State agency that he recently hired. Issues like sexual harrassment, favoritism in hiring, etc. are not taken lightly at the State goverment level.

I'm surprised at you Doc. You've always talked about what a great role model Shields is and has been, and as far as we know, that is true. Look at the number of kids that Shields has brought in, and as far as we know, all have been good citizens of the school, even though many weren't good basketball players. You don't think that the kind of man Shields is had anything to do with that do you? Of course it did. Of course you never know what a man does behind closed doors, but Steve Shields character has never been an issue with me or anyone else that I know of. Petrino's character has been well documented.

Now you say that a guy is hired to coach, and if he is good at that, then that's all that matters. That's okay as long as you're winning, but if he's a scumbag, he damn sure better not start losing. That doesn't make sense. If you're a winner you can be a scumbag, but if you're a loser it's not okay.

And Mickey, all this stuff you talk about on the state government level, well, it's okay as long as you don't get caught. Nothing dirtier or more crooked than politics, and most politicians. And that includes both sides of the aisle.

That's like the statement by the state police about charging $10 for the police report. They've never done this in the past according to
Sadler(the state police spokesman). Now they charge $10, like they thought the press wouldn't pay it to check out a hog employee. But, now they're just doing it now to follow state law. What about state law before this accident?

That statement from the State Police spokesman caught my attention too. I wonder how far you and I would get with a State Trooper who pulled us over for speeding the argument that we shouldn't be ticketed because we'd try to follow the law in the future?

(04-06-2012 09:56 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 11:19 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-05-2012 11:11 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  and say from the beginning of their career, that they might have inappropriate sex at some point in their lives, so the public will be forewarned and won't be surprised when something like that happens. Why do we make such a big deal of people's sex lives. This crap has gone on since the beginning of time. If there is anything to the Petrino story, I feel sorry for the family. Other than that, it doesn't make any difference to me. He is hired to coach football. If he is good at his job, that should be sufficient. I know I'll get some disagreement on this, but so be it. Just another person with human weaknesses.

We could argue whether an individual with little or no character should be in a position where he is asked to be a role model and to "mold" young men into productive, law-abiding citizens. You say it shouldn't matter and that's fine. The issue here is much bigger, from a legal perspective, because it involves a subordinate at a State agency that he recently hired. Issues like sexual harrassment, favoritism in hiring, etc. are not taken lightly at the State goverment level.

I'm surprised at you Doc. You've always talked about what a great role model Shields is and has been, and as far as we know, that is true. Look at the number of kids that Shields has brought in, and as far as we know, all have been good citizens of the school, even though many weren't good basketball players. You don't think that the kind of man Shields is had anything to do with that do you? Of course it did. Of course you never know what a man does behind closed doors, but Steve Shields character has never been an issue with me or anyone else that I know of. Petrino's character has been well documented.

Now you say that a guy is hired to coach, and if he is good at that, then that's all that matters. That's okay as long as you're winning, but if he's a scumbag, he damn sure better not start losing. That doesn't make sense. If you're a winner you can be a scumbag, but if you're a loser it's not okay.

And Mickey, all this stuff you talk about on the state government level, well, it's okay as long as you don't get caught. Nothing dirtier or more crooked than politics, and most politicians. And that includes both sides of the aisle.

That's like the statement by the state police about charging $10 for the police report. They've never done this in the past according to
Sadler(the state police spokesman). Now they charge $10, like they thought the press wouldn't pay it to check out a hog employee. But, now they're just doing it now to follow state law. What about state law before this accident?

You're right Trojan. I wasn't privy to all the facts when I wrote my first response, and some of it was meant to be tongue in cheek. My official stance is that there is no way the guy shouldn't be fired. He embarrassed the University, the state, his family, broke every rule on the books at the University concerning relationships between teachers, students, employees, etc. Great coach. Not a good role model. I wouldn't want my son playing for him if that's the example he's going to set for him. Got to go Jeff!